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[I Tsunayoshi I]

I know this has been done before, but since I cant find one to bring back for new discussion I thought a fresh thread would be worth making. Since Kasumi has come out I think we might have gotten another OP character to use and I have been considering making a rough tier.

S: Miranda
A+: Garrus, Kasumi
A: Thane, Jack, Grunt
A-: Samara, Morinth, Mordin
B: Tali, Zaeed, Legion
C: Jacob


Miranda is obviously OP for being the only true Sentinel you get in your team and her squad buffs are crazy good as well.

Garrus and Kasumi are almost even, imo. Both have Overload and the only thing that separates them from there is Shadow Strike and AP Ammo, both of which are very powerful when used right. Honesly I would have ranked Kasumi with Miranda just for having an ability that takes all threat off of you for a short time and can provide an instant kill with good timing.

Thane has Warp with is never bad and another OP skill in the game that comes in handy if you are not playing a class with Biotics on hand. Grunt is just plain evil with Fortification and the option of Inferno ammo. Jack mostly for her Shockwave and being able to stun anything caught in the path is also good since stunned mobs cant fight back or get away from anything aimed at them

Samara and Morinth are more for the fact that they are more or less one trick characters with only a decent weapon set up to redeem them, though Samara is a bit better off with Reave and an SMG. Mordim mostly for being a little too squishy though packing the two very good Incenerate and Cryo Blast skills

Tali and Legion explain themselves well by being too specific for a certain threat and are mostly useless in a fight except for the missions made just for them. Zaeed isnt that great either just because of the lack of workable skills outside of his Ammo being upgraded for Squad use.

Jacob is just horrible, imo. Bad mix of skills combined with bad weapon set up make it so you want him gone the first chance you get and thank god for DLC making that easy to do.

This is just my general opinion on how the characters rank in the game and I will update the standings if there is enough discussion to prompt a change.

Modifié par Sora Kitano, 17 juillet 2010 - 04:13 .

[thepiebaker]

A miranda, kasumi, garrus

B legion, grunt

C thane, zaeed, samara

D morinth, mordin, jack

F jacob

F- tali

[I Tsunayoshi I]

thepiebaker wrote...

A miranda, kasumi, garrus
B legion, grunt
C thane, zaeed, samara
D morinth, mordin, jack
F jacob
F- tali

Reasoning behind most of those? Miranda never leaves most parties and Kasumi is good enough for the same thing.

Most of the people you have ranked high are way to specialized to be any good outside of a few missions that are tailored to them by design.

[lazuli]

mrsph wrote...

Sora Kitano wrote...
S: Miranda
A+: Garrus, Kasumi
A: Thane, Jack, Grunt
A-: Samara, Morinth, Mordin
B: Tali, Zaeed, Legion
C: Jacob

I agree with most of this. Except I would move Kasumi up with Miranda and put Jack down with Jacob.

Samara should certainly be above Jack and Grunt.

[Collider]

I found that Jacob was more useful than Jack. Evicerator plus incendiary ammo is pure murder. Barrier also helps keep him alive.

Modifié par Collider, 17 juillet 2010 - 04:54 .

[I Tsunayoshi I]

mrsph wrote...

lazuli wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Sora Kitano wrote...
S: Miranda
A+: Garrus, Kasumi
A: Thane, Jack, Grunt
A-: Samara, Morinth, Mordin
B: Tali, Zaeed, Legion
C: Jacob

I agree with most of this. Except I would move Kasumi up with Miranda and put Jack down with Jacob.

Samara should certainly be above Jack and Grunt.

Samara should replace Jack at least.

I debated putting Kasumi up there with Miranda because she is godly when in good hands and doesnt have any useless skills. The only thing that keeps her down is the lack of overpowering buffs to go along side her godly skill set, unlike Miranda who is not only loaded with busted skills but her buffs are past amazing to begin with.

Jack is actually useful if you put in more for her Ammo and Shockwave over Pull and since Jack is meant to get up close and personal, Shockwave turns into more of a benefit than Pull. Jacob is utter fail. Samara only got an A- ranking because she is a one trick pony with a good weapon set. Pull Field > AoE Throw > Repeat. Nothing special but still good with an overwhelming ability to double as a psuedo-soldier with the spray and pray mentality.

I'm still waiting to hear from Pie on how Tali can be worse than Jacob considering she actually has decent skill set compared to utter fail set.

[Pacifien]

Depends on many factors.

Techs
Miranda - Overload for shields. Warp for armor and barriers. Bonus to squad health and squad weapon damage. Like everything else about Miranda, the developers wanted to make sure you took her as often as possible. Which is probably why I don't.

Kasumi - Shadow Strike gets her out of the fire and leads to a deadly up close attack. Especially effective on a YMIR mech or any other big boss you want to get to stop firing at you for a second. Flashbang Grenade becomes a powerful crowd control, knocking a group out of cover, disorienting them, damping their weapons. And apparently ruins Harbinger's day. Also has the ever useful Overload and a passive ability that provides significant power cooldown periods.

Mordin - Everyone loves Mordin because everyone loves Incineration Blast. And his zest for combat.

Tali - Once you get her Energy Drain, she's got a good substitute for Overload as well as a vital means of keeping herself alive. Combat Drone is incredibly effective when used in conjuction with either your Engineer's or Legion's Combat Drone. Alternatively, Area AI Hacking is like a mage calling forth their familiar to join the battle for you. Make her use a heavy pistol, odds are you won't have to worry about her staying behind cover either.

Legion - Combat Drone and AI Hacking are no different than Tali's. Geth Shield Boost, fully upgraded, can give Legion a decent weapon damage bonus as well. He also comes with the almighty Widow. You can't go wrong with the almighty Widow.

Biotics
The power of your biotic squadmates is going to depend greatly on the difficulty level and playing style. On Veteran difficulty and below, they will work in any situation. On Hardcore and Insanity, if you're particularly good at stripping defenses, your biotics can be just as effective. As an Adept, my squad was nearly always biotic.

Samara - Samara's bonus power Reave probably trumps every other power out there. Crowd control, regeneration killer, health booster, defense stripper, instant effect. Throw is fun, but Pull is going to get you further. Instant husk killer. Warp explosion element. Another crowd control. On Hardcore/Insanity, you only need to strip the defenses of one enemy in a crowd to get a good Warp Explosion to mess with the rest. Her ability to use an assault rifle is a plus.

Thane - The mighty Warp. Deadly sniper. Weapon damage bonus. Hobbled by the inclusion of Shredder Ammo, which isn't bad at all on Veteran and below, but the bane of my power leveling existence on Hardcore/Insanity.

Jack - I used to think Jack was worthless on Insanity and nothing but fodder for bullets with her shotgun. That changed on my recent Engineer playthrough as I became the support setting up the enemies for the final slaughter with a Pull/Shotgun combination. On Veteran and below, her Shockwave is perfectly fine, though I'd have preferred Throw. Her Warp Ammo is the most versatile ammo you can obtain.

Jacob - Jacob has a very similar build to Grunt with the exception of Pull versus Concussive Shot. And he has nowhere near Grunt's durability. His incendiary can be invaluable, though. As an Adept, in situations where I would have used Grunt, I used Jacob instead because Pull was more valuable to me than Grunt's ability to handle pain.

Soldiers
Garrus - He has that ever useful Overload. Unfortunately, he also has that notorious reputation for trying to stop rockets and bullets with his face. Good to have around. Until he dies.

Grunt - Hard to kill. Charges Scions. Gives you incendiary. More zeal for combat than Mordin.

Zaeed - He's a solid squadmate. Inferno Grenade pales in the face of Incineration Blast, though. Still, he doesn't die quickly.

It's the squadmates you don't expect to do well that tend to surprise you. Jacob made the Derelict Reaper mission as easy as I've ever had it. Grunt and Jack together would simply not die for the entire Horizon mission. Tali and Legion can occupy Harbinger's time forever with a rotating array of Combat Drones. The fastest suicide run I ever did was with Samara and Thane. All of these situations on Insanity as well. So I'm not going to grade them 'cause my experience is probably greatly different from yours.

[Pacifien]

Sora Kitano wrote...
I'm still waiting to hear from Pie on how Tali can be worse than Jacob considering she actually has decent skill set compared to utter fail set.

If you don't have a Soldier or Vanguard, Jacob's squad incendiary is valuable. If you are a biotic, his Pull is valuable. His Barrier will help him survive when he steps in the line of fire to use the shotgun.

I do not like AI Hacking, I rarely use it. Tali's Combat Drone isn't going to help me all that much because of its lengthy cooldown period, which is why I have to pair her with Legion so that I can rotate their usage of the drones as one fails. Energy Drain can help her stay alive if she wants to step out to use the shotgun, but she has a bad habit of using it at the wrong time.

I did do a suicide run with Tali and Legion at the side of my Engineer so we could Combat Drone all the time. That was fun, but I've done faster and easier suicide runs with other squadmates.

[lazuli]

Sora Kitano wrote...
Jacob is utter fail. Samara only got an A- ranking because she is a one trick pony with a good weapon set. Pull Field > AoE Throw > Repeat. Nothing special but still good with an overwhelming ability to double as a psuedo-soldier with the spray and pray mentality.

I'm still waiting to hear from Pie on how Tali can be worse than Jacob considering she actually has decent skill set compared to utter fail set.

Samara has Reave.

I would argue Tali is worse than Jacob because she has a skill with a 30 second cooldown, and you need to do her loyalty mission before she's even worth a passing glance.  Jacob's saving grace is his early access to Pull (faster than any other squadmate).  Unfortunately, his weapon selection is terrible and once he becomes loyal he is no longer reliable, even for Pull.  He will activate Barrier on his own, saddling him with a lengthy cooldown.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Pacifien wrote...

Sora Kitano wrote...
I'm still waiting to hear from Pie on how Tali can be worse than Jacob considering she actually has decent skill set compared to utter fail set.

If you don't have a Soldier or Vanguard, Jacob's squad incendiary is valuable. If you are a biotic, his Pull is valuable. His Barrier will help him survive when he steps in the line of fire to use the shotgun.

I do not like AI Hacking, I rarely use it. Tali's Combat Drone isn't going to help me all that much because of its lengthy cooldown period, which is why I have to pair her with Legion so that I can rotate their usage of the drones as one fails. Energy Drain can help her stay alive if she wants to step out to use the shotgun, but she has a bad habit of using it at the wrong time.

I did do a suicide run with Tali and Legion at the side of my Engineer so we could Combat Drone all the time. That was fun, but I've done faster and easier suicide runs with other squadmates.

The main things that keep Legion and Tali where I placed them is the fact that Tali isnt useful until she gets EG and Legion is picked up way too late and pretty much follows Tali's mission line before losing use unless you do something cheesy like Trip Drones.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

lazuli wrote...

Sora Kitano wrote...
Jacob is utter fail. Samara only got an A- ranking because she is a one trick pony with a good weapon set. Pull Field > AoE Throw > Repeat. Nothing special but still good with an overwhelming ability to double as a psuedo-soldier with the spray and pray mentality.

I'm still waiting to hear from Pie on how Tali can be worse than Jacob considering she actually has decent skill set compared to utter fail set.

Samara has Reave.

I would argue Tali is worse than Jacob because she has a skill with a 30 second cooldown, and you need to do her loyalty mission before she's even worth a passing glance.  Jacob's saving grace is his early access to Pull (faster than any other squadmate).  Unfortunately, his weapon selection is terrible and once he becomes loyal he is no longer reliable, even for Pull.  He will activate Barrier on his own, saddling him with a lengthy cooldown.

Reave is what saves Samara personally imo. Any other skill and she might have ended up lower than Morinth since Dominate does have its perks.

I have to agree with Jacob getting worse after Barrier, but I blame that more on the design of the game with auto assigning points into skills the play may or may not want in the first place. I would rate Tali lower if it wasnt for the fact that she can capitalize on using Shotgun with EG and can also make good use of Shotguns just because of the Eviserator existing.

Also, Jacob having a shotgun is Biowares way of promoting an epic fail character that gets abandoned at first chance.

[Pacifien]

lazuli wrote...
I would argue Tali is worse than Jacob because she has a skill with a 30 second cooldown, and you need to do her loyalty mission before she's even worth a passing glance.  Jacob's saving grace is his early access to Pull (faster than any other squadmate).  Unfortunately, his weapon selection is terrible and once he becomes loyal he is no longer reliable, even for Pull.  He will activate Barrier on his own, saddling him with a lengthy cooldown.

If I'm paying attention, I'll activate Jacob's Barrier before the big wave of enemies hit, giving the cooldown a head start at least.

The only reason I mind him having a shotgun is the same reason I mind any squadmate having a shotgun. The squadmate AI is atrocious. Priority is given to closing in on the enemy to get into effective shotgun range versus the more important stick behind cover and don't die. Switch them to pistols, their suicidal tendency disappears. Grunt was at least given the assault rifle. I don't know why none of the other shotgun squadmates were at least given a SMG. Jacob even had an assault rifle in his own game, so the only reason why I can see the developers denying him the weapon this time around is in some misguided attempt to differentiate him from Grunt.

I'm giving Jack a SMG and Jacob an Assault Rifle for my current playthrough.

[Pacifien]

Sora Kitano wrote...
I have to agree with Jacob getting worse after Barrier, but I blame that more on the design of the game with auto assigning points into skills the play may or may not want in the first place. I would rate Tali lower if it wasnt for the fact that she can capitalize on using Shotgun with EG and can also make good use of Shotguns just because of the Eviserator existing.

I have way more luck with Jacob surviving a Shotgun run than I do with Tali. Unless I have full control of her Energy Drain, by the time she even thinks to use it, she's dead. And it's not even going to help her much on the Derelict Reaper mission, which is where I think Jacob shines.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Pacifien wrote...

Sora Kitano wrote...
I have to agree with Jacob getting worse after Barrier, but I blame that more on the design of the game with auto assigning points into skills the play may or may not want in the first place. I would rate Tali lower if it wasnt for the fact that she can capitalize on using Shotgun with EG and can also make good use of Shotguns just because of the Eviserator existing.

I have way more luck with Jacob surviving a Shotgun run than I do with Tali. Unless I have full control of her Energy Drain, by the time she even thinks to use it, she's dead. And it's not even going to help her much on the Derelict Reaper mission, which is where I think Jacob shines.

Easiest time and most lols came from me running with Samara and Jack for ****s and giggles

Jack sent them flying everywhere and gave me an out to Scions while Samara played range with throw and AR. Hindsight made me think about giving her the Tempest a bit list since she could have mowed down the husks better.

Then again that was on my Soldier run. Now with Sentinel, things are a bit more evil since I have been punting anything with just HP with Throw for ragdolls and cheap ledges. I am considering a respech to throw field for the Derelict Reaper for the insanity that should come from watching bodies go everywhere.

[thepiebaker]

Sora Kitano wrote...

thepiebaker wrote...

A miranda, kasumi, garrus
B legion, grunt
C thane, zaeed, samara
D morinth, mordin, jack
F jacob
F- tali

Reasoning behind most of those? Miranda never leaves most parties and Kasumi is good enough for the same thing.

Most of the people you have ranked high are way to specialized to be any good outside of a few missions that are tailored to them by design.

depends on how you use them. and i tend to use the same team throughout the entire game when i can

miranda has both overload and warp, useful for most targets. garrus has a sniper rifle and overload, with concussive shot. a well placed concussive shot can save your life so i always make sure i have someone with that or throw. kasumi has overload and shadow strike. shadow strike of course is a high hitting ability and is just about rigged except i've experienced a handful of glitches that even it out.

legion and grunt make a great team. legion hits guy from affar, grunt takes those up close, and if you're a soldier you take everyone inbetween with the revenant. revenant, widow, claymore, combo. grunt has the concussive shot ability and legion has combat drone to bring people out of hiding. grunt's fortification and legion's geth shield boost make them more durable in those tough fights where i'd rather have a teammate who can survive than one who dies constantly

thane and zaeed have sniper rifles... its fun to take a team of just snipers, it's amazing how fast enemies die with unlimited sniper ammo. thane has warp, zaeed has concussive shot. samara has pull and throw, plus reave.

morinth is samara with with mind control over reave. id rather just kill the enemy then have them lingering around barely being a simple decoy unless they're in the right spot. i dont use mordin at all. his incinerate is good, havent toyed with cryo or neural shock. dont need to. jack has poorly chosen abilities for a supposed super biotic, 'nuff said.

jacob, do i have to say it? the priiize... incendiary rounds, pull, and barrier. barrier is ok but grunt has everything jacob has thats going good for him but better

tali... well lets start by saying that no matter how many people post in the tali support threads she will always die in my playthroughs. everything she has going for her legion has and more. and what legion does not have, which is just the shotgun, grunt covers... she's also one of those who constantly dies on the field. only thing she contributes to the team is the shields for the normandy and humor for me everytime i see that bullet go through her head

satesfied?
would you like me to list the reasons why i hate tali now?

[EffectedByTheMasses]

Pacifien wrote...

Sora Kitano wrote...
I have to agree with Jacob getting worse after Barrier, but I blame that more on the design of the game with auto assigning points into skills the play may or may not want in the first place. I would rate Tali lower if it wasnt for the fact that she can capitalize on using Shotgun with EG and can also make good use of Shotguns just because of the Eviserator existing.

I have way more luck with Jacob surviving a Shotgun run than I do with Tali. Unless I have full control of her Energy Drain, by the time she even thinks to use it, she's dead. And it's not even going to help her much on the Derelict Reaper mission, which is where I think Jacob shines.

Jacob is would be one of my mid-top tier squadmates, especially when I play Adept or Sentinel. With pull to set up warp/throw combos, and squad incendiary ammo, he's actually pretty decent.

[NaclynE]

Well I got the Kasumi DLC (And Overlord) so here's my thoughts.

Jacob= F. Why?: If it hadn't been for barrier he would be totally not even worth it. Honestly these should give him a SMG like Miranda instead of a pistol. His AI can be like meh and I swear even loyal he's still an idiot.

Miranda=A+. Why?: Well she's great for many things. Barrier destruction, getting guys behind cover with SLAM, and the class CERBERUS LEADER for the party attack bonus. Yeah she tends to go a bit SMG crazy and gets downed for it but once ordered to hide in cover instead of going crazy, she'll know when to pop up and say die to the enemies.

Mordin=B+. Why?: Although like Miranda he's a lightweight but he can be handy against Krogan or anyone big and scary. his two blast spell are very effective for many classes. My main issue is he seems to think he's krogan and runs out blasting guys at point blank range with his smg and get ran over by a krogan which kills him. I have no control over that other than telling him to get into cover and hopes he doesn't act like an idiot about it.

Garrus=A-.Why?: Like Miranda but he tends to survive where she doesn't. He laso snipes very well and provides good openings when I need them. My problem is he likes getting the attention and when he does, he gets sacked. Also he has overload like Miranda which makes him good for barrier destruction as well. Concusive shots are good for downing bosses cheap style.

Jack=B. Why?: Main issue is she's shotgun and pistol. Meaning she likes to run up to people and blast them. When it comes to dealing with alot of targets, she needs help. if you put her in cover she will do the smart thing and use shockwave or pull to help you deal with those pesky people always hideing behind cover (if your not a adapt).

Grunt=A+. Why?: Need a meat sheild? use Grunt! With fortifacation, he'll charge out and get all the attraction and let you pickup the pices from stuff he did not kill. Not loyal can be a pain because as I said he just charges out and starts causeing problems. unlike Jack he can use a assault rifle and knows how to use it from a good distance.

Tali=D-. Why?: Her drones help for decent distraction reasons but for some reason she can only use pistols and shotgun like in 1. Why not SMG? Also the encounter rate for Geth is low so she's only useful in her loyalty mission, Reaper IFF, Legions Loyalty, and a few subquests involving Geth. Organic units seem like not her cup of tea.

Samara/Morinth=A-. Why?: Similar to Jack but without Shockwave but with Assault Rifle and a power called Reave when loyal which deals excellent damage and can damage sheilds very well. However when you do get Morinth she gets a power called Dominate which is effective against organic units like the collectors which can make them attack each other for a short period of time or give you a easy way to kill a single guy. She tends to think she's Jack but can survive a tad bit better but tends to go down compared to the heavy hitters who last longer.

Thane=C. Why?: Basicly a adapt with a sniper rifle and SMG. Strangely as his occupation applies he has no cloak so he tends to make good hits but gets killed in the process. Also I wish he can use Throw right where he throws and snipes the guy he throws.

Legion=C+. Why?: A combanation of Tali and Thane. He's good at snipeing and is handy for useing his drones. The done side is like the basic Geth he can't handle multiple targets around him or heavy hitters. he might think so with his assault rifle but he really can't.

Zaeed=A+. Why?: Good at snipeing and with a assault rifle. preatty much a heavy heavy but is no krogan even though he has an attitude of one. He works well with most other characters like Garrus, Miranda, Kasumi, Legion, or Thane where he can provide well for snipeing or standard shooting. His loyalty power is effective against guys with armor, in groups hideing behind cover, or in groups in general.

Kasumi=A+. Why?: Despite being a light weight like Miranda and few others, she makes it up with what she can do. She can stealth attack targets that are hard to defeat or laying the finishing touch to a guy hideing in cover. she can also provide a good two cents shots for you with flash gernades which knocks down targets temproarly or frag gernades for dealing with groups of guys clustered together. She like Miranda and Garrus has Overload too but the down side is you need to pick two sets out of three and choose what powers you want her to have. Good stealth kills? Good knockdowns or group kills? or Good barrier destruction?

Just my thoughts of how everyone works.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

thepiebaker wrote...

Sora Kitano wrote...

thepiebaker wrote...

A miranda, kasumi, garrus
B legion, grunt
C thane, zaeed, samara
D morinth, mordin, jack
F jacob
F- tali

Reasoning behind most of those? Miranda never leaves most parties and Kasumi is good enough for the same thing.

Most of the people you have ranked high are way to specialized to be any good outside of a few missions that are tailored to them by design.

depends on how you use them. and i tend to use the same team throughout the entire game when i can

miranda has both overload and warp, useful for most targets. garrus has a sniper rifle and overload, with concussive shot. a well placed concussive shot can save your life so i always make sure i have someone with that or throw. kasumi has overload and shadow strike. shadow strike of course is a high hitting ability and is just about rigged except i've experienced a handful of glitches that even it out.

legion and grunt make a great team. legion hits guy from affar, grunt takes those up close, and if you're a soldier you take everyone inbetween with the revenant. revenant, widow, claymore, combo. grunt has the concussive shot ability and legion has combat drone to bring people out of hiding. grunt's fortification and legion's geth shield boost make them more durable in those tough fights where i'd rather have a teammate who can survive than one who dies constantly

thane and zaeed have sniper rifles... its fun to take a team of just snipers, it's amazing how fast enemies die with unlimited sniper ammo. thane has warp, zaeed has concussive shot. samara has pull and throw, plus reave.

morinth is samara with with mind control over reave. id rather just kill the enemy then have them lingering around barely being a simple decoy unless they're in the right spot. i dont use mordin at all. his incinerate is good, havent toyed with cryo or neural shock. dont need to. jack has poorly chosen abilities for a supposed super biotic, 'nuff said.

jacob, do i have to say it? the priiize... incendiary rounds, pull, and barrier. barrier is ok but grunt has everything jacob has thats going good for him but better

tali... well lets start by saying that no matter how many people post in the tali support threads she will always die in my playthroughs. everything she has going for her legion has and more. and what legion does not have, which is just the shotgun, grunt covers... she's also one of those who constantly dies on the field. only thing she contributes to the team is the shields for the normandy and humor for me everytime i see that bullet go through her head

satesfied?
would you like me to list the reasons why i hate tali now?

If Incendiary is the only saving grace for Jacob, then Grunt is still your better choice.

[thepiebaker]

Sora Kitano wrote...

thepiebaker wrote...

Sora Kitano wrote...

thepiebaker wrote...

A miranda, kasumi, garrus
B legion, grunt
C thane, zaeed, samara
D morinth, mordin, jack
F jacob
F- tali

Reasoning behind most of those? Miranda never leaves most parties and Kasumi is good enough for the same thing.

Most of the people you have ranked high are way to specialized to be any good outside of a few missions that are tailored to them by design.

depends on how you use them. and i tend to use the same team throughout the entire game when i can

miranda has both overload and warp, useful for most targets. garrus has a sniper rifle and overload, with concussive shot. a well placed concussive shot can save your life so i always make sure i have someone with that or throw. kasumi has overload and shadow strike. shadow strike of course is a high hitting ability and is just about rigged except i've experienced a handful of glitches that even it out.

legion and grunt make a great team. legion hits guy from affar, grunt takes those up close, and if you're a soldier you take everyone inbetween with the revenant. revenant, widow, claymore, combo. grunt has the concussive shot ability and legion has combat drone to bring people out of hiding. grunt's fortification and legion's geth shield boost make them more durable in those tough fights where i'd rather have a teammate who can survive than one who dies constantly

thane and zaeed have sniper rifles... its fun to take a team of just snipers, it's amazing how fast enemies die with unlimited sniper ammo. thane has warp, zaeed has concussive shot. samara has pull and throw, plus reave.

morinth is samara with with mind control over reave. id rather just kill the enemy then have them lingering around barely being a simple decoy unless they're in the right spot. i dont use mordin at all. his incinerate is good, havent toyed with cryo or neural shock. dont need to. jack has poorly chosen abilities for a supposed super biotic, 'nuff said.

jacob, do i have to say it? the priiize... incendiary rounds, pull, and barrier. barrier is ok but grunt has everything jacob has thats going good for him but better

tali... well lets start by saying that no matter how many people post in the tali support threads she will always die in my playthroughs. everything she has going for her legion has and more. and what legion does not have, which is just the shotgun, grunt covers... she's also one of those who constantly dies on the field. only thing she contributes to the team is the shields for the normandy and humor for me everytime i see that bullet go through her head

satesfied?
would you like me to list the reasons why i hate tali now?

If Incendiary is the only saving grace for Jacob, then Grunt is still your better choice.

look at the list, grunt is above jacob... an no barrier is jacob's only saving grace

Modifié par thepiebaker, 17 juillet 2010 - 06:41 .

[I Tsunayoshi I]

thepiebaker wrote...

Sora Kitano wrote...

thepiebaker wrote...

Sora Kitano wrote...

thepiebaker wrote...

A miranda, kasumi, garrus
B legion, grunt
C thane, zaeed, samara
D morinth, mordin, jack
F jacob
F- tali

Reasoning behind most of those? Miranda never leaves most parties and Kasumi is good enough for the same thing.

Most of the people you have ranked high are way to specialized to be any good outside of a few missions that are tailored to them by design.

depends on how you use them. and i tend to use the same team throughout the entire game when i can

miranda has both overload and warp, useful for most targets. garrus has a sniper rifle and overload, with concussive shot. a well placed concussive shot can save your life so i always make sure i have someone with that or throw. kasumi has overload and shadow strike. shadow strike of course is a high hitting ability and is just about rigged except i've experienced a handful of glitches that even it out.

legion and grunt make a great team. legion hits guy from affar, grunt takes those up close, and if you're a soldier you take everyone inbetween with the revenant. revenant, widow, claymore, combo. grunt has the concussive shot ability and legion has combat drone to bring people out of hiding. grunt's fortification and legion's geth shield boost make them more durable in those tough fights where i'd rather have a teammate who can survive than one who dies constantly

thane and zaeed have sniper rifles... its fun to take a team of just snipers, it's amazing how fast enemies die with unlimited sniper ammo. thane has warp, zaeed has concussive shot. samara has pull and throw, plus reave.

morinth is samara with with mind control over reave. id rather just kill the enemy then have them lingering around barely being a simple decoy unless they're in the right spot. i dont use mordin at all. his incinerate is good, havent toyed with cryo or neural shock. dont need to. jack has poorly chosen abilities for a supposed super biotic, 'nuff said.

jacob, do i have to say it? the priiize... incendiary rounds, pull, and barrier. barrier is ok but grunt has everything jacob has thats going good for him but better

tali... well lets start by saying that no matter how many people post in the tali support threads she will always die in my playthroughs. everything she has going for her legion has and more. and what legion does not have, which is just the shotgun, grunt covers... she's also one of those who constantly dies on the field. only thing she contributes to the team is the shields for the normandy and humor for me everytime i see that bullet go through her head

satesfied?
would you like me to list the reasons why i hate tali now?

If Incendiary is the only saving grace for Jacob, then Grunt is still your better choice.

look at the list, grunt is above jacob... an no barrier is jacob's only saving grace

Rather play russian roulette with a 9mm semi-auto than leave Jacob to choose what skill he uses first.

Modifié par Sora Kitano, 17 juillet 2010 - 06:47 .

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Trying to rank them all objectively, and isolated from enemy type or player class is hard. they're all very good if you take them with a certain strategy in mind.

admittedly, Miranda and kasumi are very good most of the time, but in certain situations there will definitely be others that are better.

I would say there is no really bad squadmate - and yes, I am including jacob and tali in that. It also depends on what class you play as.