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In Praise of the Modest Garrus Headbump Love Scene


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Recently finished ME2.  Thank you, Bioware, for including a Garrus romance.  And no matter how suggestive the lead-up was, thank you for leaving the actual undressing and sex (or lack therof) up to my imagination.  It was, without a doubt, the pinnacle of my ME2 experience (don't tell!)

I'm human.  I'm definitely not immune to turian sex appeal (wait, did that make sense?) :huh: But depending on their personal values and committments, people might have different feelings about when and how it is best to have sex with someone you're dating, and it's nice to have the autonomy to portray these very important personal decisions at critical points in an RPG romance.  It's the kind of thing that has the potential to feel really uncomfortable when played agaisnt one's real life values.

Most RPG romances are extremely frustrating to me in that I get involved with a character, only to end up faced with a choice of [have sex with the charcter] or [dump them].  It's so rare to have a truly meaningful option to continue a romance without having sex either depicted or irrefutably implied.  And the truth is, I (personally) get a little squicked watching the sexier love scenes because that's the point at which my characters start to feel like real people a bit too much for my comfort.

The great thing about the Garrus love scene is that it was charmingly chaste without being prudish, sexy without being cheap, and romantic without being treacly.  Seeing the other romance love scenes  (even if I thought they were good) has only deepened my admiration.  It depicted a relationship of mutual dedication and trust in which the physical attraction, though definitely present, was not the only or primary reason to get more physically and emotionally intimate. During our travels we've seen badass Garrus and beat-people-to-death (including himself) Garrus and awkward Garrus and funny Garrus and even sexy Garrus.  This gives us the honest, upright, and respectful Garrus we've always known coupled with a new sort of tenderness and vulnerability.  I knew he was awesome, but after all the comical flusterings and scary vengeful drama, even I wasn't prepared from him to have as much depth and beauty of character as he did.  Steel youself to reject him in an alternate save to see what happens, and he's definitely an honorable chap.

So touching faces isn't immediatly sexy.  But I can testify that it can definitely be a very intimate, even somewhat frightening moment for two people getting cuddly.  (Seriously, I've had awkward RL lovers nearly freak out inside over rubbing noses and fingers on faces).  Symbolically, that now iconic headbump seems to suggest "meeting of minds" as well as of bodies. These two are equals and partners.  Even their arm movements end up mirroring each other's. 

(I've also enjoyed the comments of fellow Garrus-fans on these forums comparing it to the sight of birds billing.  I am a friend of several parrots.  Garrus reminds me of those famously cuddly cockatoos, and I find that adorable the way the cat people see feline traits in turians.  My FemShep wants to pet him under his crest.) 

Having the freedom to imagine as much or as little as I liked made it possible for me to "go along" with the romance more than I ever have in a game.  Some days I think FemShep and Garrus spent the night snuggling in silence.  Sometimes they drink, talk, or even cry. Sometimes I even think they had hot sex (however that works).  But most of the time, it's as if it's none of my business what they do, and they have the freedom to do whatever they want.

Of course, not *all* of the romance was exactly chaste, and I admit I had fun with that, too, even if it made me squirm and facepalm.  Most of the lead-up was oozing with innuendo, especially if Mordin was involved ;), so there's no lack of solid "evidence" if one wants to assume sex was the intention and end result.  FemShep's blatant pickup lines ... well... make us nerds sound smooth. (Although I understand the need to make things obvious in a video game: in ME1, my FemShep once got "accidentally" and unexpectedly kissed by Kaidan :o and then had to be a b**** to make him back off, all because I had been so nice and polite in all the convos.)  In the end, though, it was empowering to have the final say over one's personal romance canon.

You know what was really brilliant about that Mordin talk?  There was actually an option during the awkard and hilarious Mordin sex ed talk to claim that FemShep wasn't intending to have sex with Garrus!  Yes, I, the player, was actually given the choice to say that, and to play it any way I wanted - earnestly, or as an embarrassed fib - either way, it dovetails into the final love scene.  Laugh at my scruples if you like, but that option to clarify FemShep's motives made it possible for me to relax as a player and go for it with Garrus in good faith.   Genius.

So thank you, Bioware.  Keep up the good work in ME3.

Modifié par JulianP, 17 juillet 2010 - 06:13 .


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What does F!Shepard say when she says she's not intending to have sex with Garrus? Is it like this?

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Garrus scoped you, but doesn't intend on dropping you.

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reply to OP:

Unfortunately, they don't do that with Tali. If you pick the paragon option, and say you don't want to endanger her life, the game makes you reject her. As if the only way two beings can be intimate is if they strip naked and put one at risk of death. The hug on her loyalty mission was plenty intimate. They didn't need to go the "bang her or dump her" route.

Modifié par Privateerkev, 17 juillet 2010 - 05:27 .


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Collider wrote...

What does F!Shepard say when she says she's not intending to have sex with Garrus? Is it like this?


Bwahaha... no, I wish I could screencap it but I'm on an xbox and overwrote the save ages ago.  Anyway, when you have the sex talk with Mordin, after he says "Recommend caution.  Warn of chafing." you can choose dialogue wheel options labeled:

1)"Give me your advice" (investigate),
2)"I care about Garrus" (you're not going to scare me off!),
3)"I think we're done here" (neutral) and
4)"What? I'm not doing that!"

Of course, I reloaded and tried every single option for the sheer lolz of it.

But anyway, if I remember correctly, I actually went ahead after saying option (4) and it did not screw up my romance.  Sweet and highly entertaining of Mordin to look out for the health of the crew, but just because I'm dating Garrus doesn't mean... :happy:

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Privateerkev wrote...

reply to OP:

Unfortunately, they don't do that with Tali. If you pick the paragon option, and say you don't want to endanger her life, the game makes you reject her. As if the only way two beings can be intimate is if they strip naked and put one at risk of death. The hug on her loyalty mission was plenty intimate. They didn't need to go the "bang her or dump her" route.


Exactly the sort of thing that makes me usually resolve not to play romances at all!   Once I get invested in it, I just feel so yucky making the "bang or dump" choice.  As a gamer, it's just isn't something where I'm very comfortable acting contrary to real life character, especially if a romance has any emotional weight to it.   Not having to face that with my fave character was simply too good to be true.  Still can't believe it, really.

BTW, I really enjoyed the Tali hug.  (the paragon interrupt hug, yes?)  I rather disliked Tali in ME1, but spending time with her on the loyalty mission changed my mind about her.  Nice that it was possible to more or less sidestep the issue of telling the truth about what her father did in favor of pointing out that it was a total kangaroo court.  Under certain circumstances I would have felt morally obligated to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth, but happily it never quite came to that.  Wish RPG romances had that kind of subtlety in general.

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@Julian: You do realize though, that for all of the romances Shepard can say "what? I'm not doing that!" though.

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Collider wrote...

@Julian: You do realize though, that for all of the romances Shepard can say "what? I'm not doing that!" though.



Of course.  But in context, it worked.

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JulianP wrote...
Most RPG romances are extremely frustrating to me in that I get involved with a character, only to end up faced with a choice of [have sex with the charcter] or [dump them].  It's so rare to have a truly meaningful option to continue a romance without having sex either depicted or irrefutably implied.  
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So thank you, Bioware.  Keep up the good work in ME3.

I completely agree.  The Garrus scene was excellent.  More romance continuations without obligatory/definite sex, please, and more subtlety in romantic relationships generally!

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You should post this in the Garrus thread if you like.

I loved the scene too, mostly because of the contrast between all the sex talk and the emotional final scene. I like every romance in its own way (minus Jacob, sorry :P), BW did a great job making them all unique. I'm curious to see what they'll come up with in ME3.

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You know, I'm a gutter-minded individual, and I do love sex, and the implications of deep space rumbling and whatnot, but I thought the way the Garrus romance resolved was really lovely too. It warmed my heart more than just your run of the mill interspecies erotica, although I have not a bad thing to say about any of the other romances. I love everyone in ME too much. (Yes, I even like Jacob (although when I saw that The Priiiiize line I actually said "Excuse me?" out loud.))



Bottom line is I agree with you, just the proximity, and making confessions such as "Just once I'd like something to go right" already makes for a lovely beginning of something special.



(Which is why, incidentally, I don't give two hoots about whether or not Joker can have sex, I still would like that romance option. :P )

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is there a vid of the head bump?? can't find it


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can't for the love of god edit. But nvm found it.... honestly never seen the head bump before. It was a great touch... can't really describe the feeling :P very nice

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While I have to admit that I am actually one of the ones that wanted something a little more definitive from the scene, I still have to say that I very much enjoy the scene. I also agree that "screw or dump" is a REALLY lousy choice to have to make. Some of the best Bioware LIs are from their teen rated games where no sex implied or otherwise took place. You totally do not have to have sex in the game to have a realistic romance and frankly corralling players into it can make for a rather simplistic choice. I understand why simplicity is needed form a game design standpoint but it is still irksome at times. Even though I wasn't 100% satisfied with the romance scene, I still thought we got the best scene in the game and Garrus' character being so vague in many ways is what makes him so popular. Lots of people get to project all kinds of ideas on top of him. It works well.

Modifié par Ragabul the Ontarah, 26 juillet 2010 - 11:52 .


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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...


I also agree that "screw or dump" is a REALLY lousy choice to have to make. Some of the best Bioware LIs are from their teen rated games where no sex implied or otherwise took place. You totally do not have to have sex in the game to have a realistic romance and frankly corralling players into it can make for a rather simplistic choice.


Well said.  It's a pretty lousy (and demeaning) choice to have to make in real life, too ;) 

Which games?  I've played the Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights ones, and my favorite characters were usually unavailable as LIs.  The BG2 Viconia romance was a lot of fun, but I think I ended up having to sleep with her.   :huh:    NWN2 is one of my favorite games ever, but I couldn't stand any of the romance options.  I only loved Sand because he was so much fun to listen to, but I probably wouldn't date him; he was so arrogant!   So the Garrus romance was a huge surprise for me since I usually assume that you don't get to romance your favorite characters.   My brother and I shared a Femshep taking turns playing and watching, and I was like, "Do NOT get me involved in a romance!   It's yucky!  Absolutely not!  .... but hey, wouldn't it be cool if we could romance Garrus, haha"  and there he was.  My jaw totally dropped when those blatant pickup lines came up as a dialogue option. Yay!  Needless to say, I instantly revised my policy against romancing NPCs. 

BTW, I'm a girl, and Mass Effect is actually the first computer game in which I preferred to play a female character.  I never thought it would happen!  But there was good voice acting, FemShep had reasonable sized boobs and a realistic physique, and the armor actually protected the cleavage.  First time I've actually enjoyed playing a female character, and that's pretty cool. 

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Well there is Carth in Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic. There is Sky in Jade Empire. And if you play it right in Dragon Age Origins you don't actually have to sleep with Alistair. Mind, he is not happy about it, but it doesn't end the relationship. Heck, you can even marry the guy first in that game if you like.

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Also, you mentioned Neverwinter but not the expansion. Valen from Hordes of the Underdark is good. No sex there either.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Well there is Carth in Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic. There is Sky in Jade Empire. And if you play it right in Dragon Age Origins you don't actually have to sleep with Alistair. Mind, he is not happy about it, but it doesn't end the relationship. Heck, you can even marry the guy first in that game if you like.


Wow, that's kind of cool.   Never played KOTOR...  am more of a Doctor Who fan and not so much Star Wars, but then I heard it's a really good game, so I might give it a try.  Haven't done Dragon Age yet - would you recommend it?

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I also liked the headbump. It was touching and feel-good. And I'm a guy, but Garrus is such a bro that this little scene made me think he deserved it.



BTW, I would've also liked the "no sex but let's stay hooked up" thing with Tali. I mean, maybe I just enjoy her company? :V

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JulianP wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Well there is Carth in Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic. There is Sky in Jade Empire. And if you play it right in Dragon Age Origins you don't actually have to sleep with Alistair. Mind, he is not happy about it, but it doesn't end the relationship. Heck, you can even marry the guy first in that game if you like.


Wow, that's kind of cool.   Never played KOTOR...  am more of a Doctor Who fan and not so much Star Wars, but then I heard it's a really good game, so I might give it a try.  Haven't done Dragon Age yet - would you recommend it?



Well, I like all Bioware games by default so I am biased.  If you liked BG2 And NWN than you will probably like DAO.  It's got an old school RPG feel to it.  DAO is very dark, however.  Definitely an M game. Think Lord of the Rings meets A Song of Ice and Fire if that analogy makes sense.  I think it has the most nuanced romances in any of Bioware's games.  The Alistair romance in particular is ridiculous in its level of nuance.  It's got a lot of highly context sensitive stuff in it.

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Also, I should warn you that if you DO play DAO and want to go the "marry Alistair" route you MUST play as a human noble. You can get a happily ever after with him playing any race, but to marry him you must be a noble. Anything else I'll keep to myself for fear of spoilers.