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[Lucy Glitter]

FedericoV wrote...

She is pregnant even if the Warden has choosen to sacrifice himself in the final battle? Even if he has romanced Leliana?

Yep. She apparently is pregnant whatver ending you choose, from my knowledge of the epilogues. 

SDNcN wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

I don't think the developers ever actually stated outright that there is a "canon ending."

There is a 'default' ending to Origins if you choose not to import a save from that game.

Definitely. I would say there isn't canon, only a default, which can be treated as canon... but I don't think it is actual canon. 

The only parts that are canon (from my knowledge) are the inevitables. 

[Daerog]

Koffeegirl wrote...

The Game informer article mentions that there is a canon ending if you do not import your choices.

Default, not canon. Just like the default story they give for ME1 if you didn't import into ME2 isn't canon, but is a default storyline, and the worst and most boring kind of default storyline.

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

The only parts that are canon (from my knowledge) are the inevitables. 

This.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 17 juillet 2010 - 09:01 .

[AlexXIV]

Befit wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well if default save game (for people who don't import an old one) was canon, then the ultimate sacrifice would also be canon (Orlesian Warden in Awakening) and in ME2 it would be canon that Wrex is dead and the Council died. So I think not, is only a way for people to play the game without savegame.

I don't think that either Morrigan nor her child will play a major role in DA2 (maybe ind DA3) so there won't be a plot hole as of yet (not in this game). The way I see it though, if the Dark Ritual plays a major role in future games then they will have to canonize it anyway. If I understand it right, if any Grey Warden dies slaying the Archdemon, the soul of the beast will be destroyed, so even if Morrigan is pregnant by that time she would only have a normal child.

Almost, but as she stated the old god soul would be more attracted to the unborn child as it's new vessel rather than the warden's. so if she's pregnant at the time the final blow is struck she gets the OGB

Well in that case if the GW mated her in the camp, and then let her go in Redcliffe Castle, then the GW would still live after slaying the Archdemon. But he dies without Morrigan. So the soul must be destroyed.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 17 juillet 2010 - 09:09 .

[AlexXIV]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

FedericoV wrote...

She is pregnant even if the Warden has choosen to sacrifice himself in the final battle? Even if he has romanced Leliana?

Yep. She apparently is pregnant whatver ending you choose, from my knowledge of the epilogues. 

SDNcN wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

I don't think the developers ever actually stated outright that there is a "canon ending."

There is a 'default' ending to Origins if you choose not to import a save from that game.

Definitely. I would say there isn't canon, only a default, which can be treated as canon... but I don't think it is actual canon. 

The only parts that are canon (from my knowledge) are the inevitables. 

Why do you keep giving wrong information? Or are there different versions of DA:O? There is an ending where she is not pregnant.

[Collider]

The gameinformer magazine says that there will be a default story for those who do not import.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Yep. She apparently is pregnant whatver ending you choose, from my knowledge of the epilogues. 

I've done two play-throughs where I refused the Dark Ritual and never slept with her, and she wasn't pregnant in the epilogue either time.

The epilogues are buggy, which explains why some players get the 'Morrigan ismysteriously pregnant' ending even though nobody ever had sex with her in their game.

[Lucy Glitter]

AlexXIV wrote...

Why do you keep giving wrong information? Or are there different versions of DA:O? There is an ending where she is not pregnant.

In all endings, whether or not she has done the Dark Ritual, there is the implication that Morrigan is or will be pregnant in the future.

edit: It's not a bug. Go check the wikia. 

editedit: If a male warden slept with Morrigan at all during the game, she is seen pregnant in the Frostback Mountains. Even if you refused the ritual. If you didn't have sex, she is seen at the Orlesian court. Orlais = Grey Wardens. 

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 17 juillet 2010 - 10:05 .

[KLUME777]

FedericoV wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

Yup, even if no one goes through the ritual with her, the canon ending has her mysteriously with child so shes preggo any which way you slice it

Ok, thanks. It's interesting... mind: I've romanced Morrigain in my only complete playthrough and I've made the ritual. So, for me it's working. And I'm not against any canon if it serves to tell a better story and make a better game.

But I understand that many persons who have chosen sacrifice or many female players will not like the choice.

Btw, it will be interesting to see what's the alternative solution for Morrigain's pregnancy. I bet it has something to do with Flemeth death... I never believed Morrigain version even if I've choosen to kill the old hag... never truly believed her even in the dialogue before the ritual. Imho, she was allready pregnant. She has allready achieved her goals...

One advise to the devs: do not involve Alistair in the Canon or you'll be in a lot of trouble !

No if you were a female character (like me) you can still do the dark ritual with morrigan (like me again), only its allistair that sexes up morrigan, therefore making her pregnant.

[Dee-Jay]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

It was all a dream.

We're just all waiting to move on to the afterlife.


Nah, that would be super-lame.





Oh wait...

[Andraste_Reborn]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Even if you refused the ritual. If you didn't have sex, she is seen at the Orlesian court. Orlais = Grey Wardens. 

Oh, OK, I see what you mean now. If they do follow up on the Old God baby that way, think there would have to be at least a vague explanation of where she got the soul from since a Warden absorbed and destroyed Uthemiel's.

[AlexXIV]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Why do you keep giving wrong information? Or are there different versions of DA:O? There is an ending where she is not pregnant.

In all endings, whether or not she has done the Dark Ritual, there is the implication that Morrigan is or will be pregnant in the future.

edit: It's not a bug. Go check the wikia. 

editedit: If a male warden slept with Morrigan at all during the game, she is seen pregnant in the Frostback Mountains. Even if you refused the ritual. If you didn't have sex, she is seen at the Orlesian court. Orlais = Grey Wardens. 

I remember in my second playthrough I didn't do the Morrigan romance and didn't agree to the Dark Ritual. There was talk she went to Orlais and became the Orlesian Empress' Court Sorceress, but I don't remember any mention of the baby or a pregnancy. I understood it the way that if she doesn't get power from the Dark Ritual, she is doing it the another way. After all she is a powerful witch even without god-child. I also don't see why it would make sense to be pregnant from a grey warden aside from the ritual, I mean that was the point, right? The soul of the Old God.

I can imagine though that she will become preganant eventually, why not, she is a woman after all. But she could only perform her ritual in the presence of a tainted Old God (Archdemon), so she would have to wait a couple of centuries for that ... so as far as I am concerned the only canon is that Morrigans lives.

[Lucy Glitter]

Andrastee wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Even if you refused the ritual. If you didn't have sex, she is seen at the Orlesian court. Orlais = Grey Wardens. 

Oh, OK, I see what you mean now. If they do follow up on the Old God baby that way, think there would have to be at least a vague explanation of where she got the soul from since a Warden absorbed and destroyed Uthemiel's.

Yeah, that's what I mean  

AlexXIV wrote...

I remember in my second playthrough I didn't do the Morrigan romance and didn't agree to the Dark Ritual. There was talk she went to Orlais and became the Orlesian Empress' Court Sorceress, but I don't remember any mention of the baby or a pregnancy. I understood it the way that if she doesn't get power from the Dark Ritual, she is doing it the another way. After all she is a powerful witch even without god-child. I also don't see why it would make sense to be pregnant from a grey warden aside from the ritual, I mean that was the point, right? The soul of the Old God.


I can imagine though that she will become preganant eventually, why not, she is a woman after all. But she could only perform her ritual in the presence of a tainted Old God (Archdemon), so she would have to wait a couple of centuries for that ... so as far as I am concerned the only canon is that Morrigans lives.

What I am saying, is the fact that Morrigan will probably have been pregnant if you did the ritual or not in 2. A lot of people speculate that the "eve of battle" is a bit of a crock, actually. I personally think so, too, seeming she still gets the same epilogue if you have sex with her and not do the ritual. Hence the thought process.

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 17 juillet 2010 - 12:07 .

[Arttis]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Andrastee wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Even if you refused the ritual. If you didn't have sex, she is seen at the Orlesian court. Orlais = Grey Wardens. 

Oh, OK, I see what you mean now. If they do follow up on the Old God baby that way, think there would have to be at least a vague explanation of where she got the soul from since a Warden absorbed and destroyed Uthemiel's.

Yeah, that's what I mean  

DO not see why she has to be in the courts to get with a grey warden.I think it is easier to say the god soul is stolen by flemeth in the fade.Morrigan fails flemeth will have a back up plan.

[Lucy Glitter]

Arttis wrote...
DO not see why she has to be in the courts to get with a grey warden.I think it is easier to say the god soul is stolen by flemeth in the fade.Morrigan fails flemeth will have a back up plan.

Arttis, the fact we are focusing on here is the pregnancy. She might be in Orlais for other reasons, but to me (and some others) it could be that she went to Orlais to find a suitable Grey Warden for her child. That's not the point, anyway, we were talking about how all the endings have some inevitable story points.

[AlexXIV]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Andrastee wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Even if you refused the ritual. If you didn't have sex, she is seen at the Orlesian court. Orlais = Grey Wardens. 

Oh, OK, I see what you mean now. If they do follow up on the Old God baby that way, think there would have to be at least a vague explanation of where she got the soul from since a Warden absorbed and destroyed Uthemiel's.

Yeah, that's what I mean  

AlexXIV wrote...

I remember in my second playthrough I didn't do the Morrigan romance and didn't agree to the Dark Ritual. There was talk she went to Orlais and became the Orlesian Empress' Court Sorceress, but I don't remember any mention of the baby or a pregnancy. I understood it the way that if she doesn't get power from the Dark Ritual, she is doing it the another way. After all she is a powerful witch even without god-child. I also don't see why it would make sense to be pregnant from a grey warden aside from the ritual, I mean that was the point, right? The soul of the Old God.


I can imagine though that she will become preganant eventually, why not, she is a woman after all. But she could only perform her ritual in the presence of a tainted Old God (Archdemon), so she would have to wait a couple of centuries for that ... so as far as I am concerned the only canon is that Morrigans lives.

What I am saying, is the fact that Morrigan will probably have been pregnant if you did the ritual or not in 2. A lot of people speculate that the "eve of battle" is a bit of a crock, actually. I personally think so, too, seeming she still gets the same epilogue if you have sex with her and not do the ritual. Hence the thought process.

Well of course she could be pregnant. But she also could not be. The endings for Morrigan are
a) Pregnant, DR completed
b)Pregnant from the Warden, without DR
c)not pregnant

[DR4GNballz]

SDNcN wrote...

FedericoV wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Only that Morrigan is preggers. I assume.

She is pregnant even if the Warden has choosen to sacrifice himself in the final battle? Even if he has romanced Leliana?

She is pregnant if someone goes through with the ritual or if you are male and slept with her at any point in the game.

hehehehe.....

[DR4GNballz]

so morrigan without the OGB is still looking for a suitable grey warden to have her child??? WHY?

[Fishy]

Celticon wrote...

Darkspawn Chronicles is canon, obviously.