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[Wikal]

We know fro the game informer article that the world is on the brink of chaos by the ending of the game, no matter what you do (because the ending is kinda the beginning is the end ... pretty sure that's a song). someone is asking about the story of Hawke, and how his actions affected why the world is in chaos.

source- http://social.biowar...11397/3#3112573

We know that despite Flemeth raising Morrigan, Morrigan is not too fond of Flemeth- she asks the GW to kill her and steal her stuff.

We know that both of these women desire power: evidenced by Flemeth teaching this to Morrigan.

There are basically two different endings for Morrigan- she goes to Orlais and puts herself within the court, or she gets pregnant with the god child. Warden can leave her alone or go after her. By the end of DA, it is ambigous as to the fate of Flemeth, but we know in DA2 she is alive, and kicking. Moreso then in DAO in fact- she comes in dragon form to save Hawke and his sister, and concept art shows a sleeker, more armored version. The question is, why is Flemeth doing this.

Flemeth needs a new body- but there's also a women out there who knows of her  plans. Morrigan implies that having the god child is why she was sent with the Warden, and clearly knows what she wants to do with said baby. Flemeth knew that this baby could exist. I don't think it's too far a leap to say that if said baby existed, Flemeth would want her hands on it. Wouldn't be too hard to go and take a baby from Morrigan, right?

but by the end of DA:O, Morrigan has at least one major ally- you for trusting enough to go through with the ritual, or Orlais if you don't. If Flemeth wants the baby, or to get rid of Morrigan, she needs a little help. and maybe a new body.

So, after saving Hawke and his FEMALE MAGE SISTER (wink wink), Flemeth may show up in a new combat form (the concept art), and will probably aid Hawke, but for her own purposes, perhaps allying herself with him, and helping him to become the Champion of Kirkwall. and eventually, perhaps be ready to take the god child? DA2 could perhaps serve to emphatize Flemeth with the player.

So at the beginning/end, could this chaos be Morrigan Vs. Flemeth with their respective allies? Perhaps GW vs Hawke?

Team GW+Morrigan ftw.

Other questions: who else could want the god child? where will the warden be during the DA2 period?

[NKKKK]

I believe this will be her loyalty quest lol

[andar91]

I want to get to know Flemeth better in this game, as I find her a captivating character. Although it probably isn't very realistic, I think it'd be really cool is she was in the party.

[Gorvar]

Yuor theory is actually pretty good....

I'm on Team Morrigan though, no offense Kate Mulgrew...but once you go (CLaudia) BLack, you never go back...

[Aniki_21]

Morrigan didn't want Flemeth dead because she didn't like her and wanted to steal her stuff. lol

[Wikal]

Aniki_21 wrote...

Morrigan didn't want Flemeth dead because she didn't like her and wanted to steal her stuff. lol

Not saying that Morrigan wanting Flemeth dead is because she doesn't like her- I'm just giving a a solid example of Morrigan taking an action that shows her dislike of Flemeth. If she hadn't requested this, it's entirely possible to think that she could have found it in her heart to forgive Flemeth for what she was planning to do. I'm pretty sure once you ask someone to kill someone else and steal their stuff, you harbor some form of animosity towards that special someone.

[FreezaSama]

Isn't it a wee bit soon to be speculating on the ending to a game that's almost a year away?

[UberDuber]

Flemeth aint got a chance ... My warden is level 30 B*tch!



Team GW + Morrigan 4 life!

Shizzle.

[Kandene]

I think that Flemeth has the soul of an old God in her (transforms into a dragon taught the God baby ritual to morrigan)

I think their will be some crazy story about how Andraste had the soul of an old God in her and Flemeth possessed her body and took it or something like that.

[UberDuber]

Kandene wrote...

I think that Flemeth has the soul of an old God in her (transforms into a dragon taught the God baby ritual to morrigan)
I think their will be some crazy story about how Andraste had the soul of an old God in her and Flemeth possessed her body and took it or something like that.

But if she was an old god would she not of died when you killed her? Note that its possible that Flemeth is in the dragon cult. Her eyes .....

[Wikal]

FreezaSama wrote...

Isn't it a wee bit soon to be speculating on the ending to a game that's almost a year away?

Well, considering the only information we have is the beginning of the game, which is also the end of the game, speculation about the beginning/end doesn't hurt.  Also, since DA is planned to be a series, doesn't hurt to theorize where exactly the series is going.

I'd like to think that story is what shines in Bioware games, so rather then worry too much about other things in DA2 like the wheel, I'd rather just think about the epicness to come.

Modifié par Wikal, 18 juillet 2010 - 01:04 .

[Quinnzel]

One you go (Claudia) Black, you never go back (and a thank you to Gorver for my new favourite saying) TEAM MORRIGAN FTW!

[Rubbish Hero]

Want abrupt, meaningful ending like Robocop.

www.youtube.com/watch

No Episode 1 style celebrations with people out the streets cheering with paper flying around everywhere. No lame Episode 3 "You must Chooooooose!" in a contrived manner, stupid.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 18 juillet 2010 - 01:18 .

[Malchior the Angel of Fear]

Im Thinking Flemeth is gonna be a Problem shortly, and another thought is, what if she is either and uncorrupted old god (given her dragon form) or even one of the first tevinter mages that entered the Golden city? I mena concerning her there is so much shrouded in secrecy, it aint funny.

[Xaerth]

Um what about this.

Morrigan is Flemeth

Or more to the point Morrigan is the NEW Flemeth.
I dont know about you but I killed old Flemeth in DA:O.

So here is the set up.

1. Flemeth lived for centuries by taking the bodies of her apprentices that she raised. These other Witches of the Wild had other names but after Flemeth did her thing, they became, Flemeth.
2. You can kill Flemeth in the original campaign. She isn't just defeted. She isn't expelled or imprissoned or weakend to come back another day. No, she dies and ends up as a very bloody dragon corpse.
2.5 Also during this quest line you can give Morrigan Flemeth's grimior (spell book). So she could learn Flemeth's magics.
3. You CAN'T kill Morrigan in the DA:O story line. No matter what path or choices you make she lives. In the original campaign and the DLC. Even at the end of the DLC if you fight her she escapes.

And here is my thoughts of how it will go. This will take into account if you upload your saved data from DA 1 into DA 2 and if you did or did not kill Old Flemeth.

Morrigan uses Flemeth's teachings and maybe grimior to take her power and name.
1.   If you killed Flemeth then this is easy, she just steps into her shoes and uses her name for the renown.
2.  Even if you did not give her Flemeth's book, Morrigan was still taught by Flemeth her entire life and could just fill in the blanks.
3. If you didn't kill Flemeth and then sometime later off board (or not) Morrigan goes back to Flemeth and pulls the big switcharoo on her and takes her power and maybe body instead of vica verca which Flemeth expected.
:: For those nerdy types think Rastlin - Fistandantilus from Dragonlance :: This is not a new idea.

Morrigan is an established flushed out character in DA:O with many plot holes left imo intentionally open. Even with the DLC, it still seems like a set up for the new game because she is still an enigma. Bio is going to keep her.

[Malchior the Angel of Fear]

Ok, well if morrigan went into the eluvian with the child she bore, im thinking she went there not only to protect the child, but also to find  a way to stop flemeth. I have a feeling u wont seee  morrigan or the child until the end of the story, which will probably be the game set in tevinter where it all started with the tevinter magister lords who invaded the golden city of the maker.
And to stop flemeth im thinking the child will be the key component to do it, maybe flemeth wanted the child only to kill it because only an old god could stop her. Now im not sure but what if Flemeth is an old god uncorrupted? I know i mentioned that possibility in my last post but what if?
Oh and Xaereths Refrence to Raistlin was actually very well thoughtout hehehehe :3

Modifié par Malchior the Angel of Fear, 12 décembre 2010 - 08:23 .

[Blacklash93]

Flemeth isn't an Old God as we know them to be. Darkspawn instantly corrupt an Old God the moment they touch one and we've seen Flemeth grab one with her bare hand in Dragon form.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 12 décembre 2010 - 08:49 .

[Blacklash93]

And I'm not sure if Flemeth was planning to possess Morrigan, at least in the way we thought. Morrigan basically adimits in Witch Hunt that everything she thought about her was wrong. She says that Flemeth's plan wasn't what she thought it was and that immortality wasn't what she craved. Plus we see an army of witches who all look similar to Morrigan in the Destiny trailer.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 13 décembre 2010 - 12:55 .

[SafetyShattered]

GO MORRIGAN!!!



Dude.. I must say that your speculation sounds pretty dang accurate. Great job!!!!

[Alexander1136]

I'm curious as to how flemeth acquired another body.. considering i slaughtered her on her front porch

[SafetyShattered]

I am a bit ticked about one thing about Flemeth returning. And that was that I KILLED HER!!!!!!



Does anyone know how hard she was to kill?! And now in the sequel GUESS WHAT EVERYONE all that work is for nothing because she isn't really dead! Isn't that awesome guys? HECK NO!!!



Sorry guys rant over.

[Rake21]

Shadowfang12 wrote...

I am a bit ticked about one thing about Flemeth returning. And that was that I KILLED HER!!!!!!

Does anyone know how hard she was to kill?! And now in the sequel GUESS WHAT EVERYONE all that work is for nothing because she isn't really dead! Isn't that awesome guys? HECK NO!!!

Sorry guys rant over.

Eh, franchise and saga villains are notoriously hard to put down for good.  Look at comics, or *SPOILER*









The Wheele of Time novels

[EnforcerGREG]

I allways assumed hawke would have some involvement with the god child. I Initially assumed that the "package" that Flemeth gives hawke to give to the dalish was the baby.

[Rake21]

EnforcerGREG wrote...

I allways assumed hawke would have some involvement with the god child. I Initially assumed that the "package" that Flemeth gives hawke to give to the dalish was the baby.

Hawke:  Is... Is the package crying?