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[HolyMoogle]

The scene where the Darkspawn attack Ostagar is a rip-off of the Helm's Deep scene from The Two Towers, which in turn is a rip-off of the climactic scenes from the film, Zulu. That's about it, kthxbye.

[10 Steps Back]

This thread brings a tear to my eye

[Biserthebomb]

I personaly would like to be able to own black people in Dragon Age as slaves.

Not in real life. Don't EVEN go there.

Modifié par Biserthebomb, 18 juillet 2010 - 02:11 .

[Rubbish Hero]

HolyMoogle wrote...

The scene where the Darkspawn attack Ostagar is a rip-off of the Helm's Deep scene from The Two Towers.

www.youtube.com/watch

www.youtube.com/watch

Apart from the fact it takes place during the day, it's almost the exact same.
If the British sent out dogs to bite them, director could make copyright infringment claim.

[Ladybright]

HolyMoogle wrote...

The scene where the Darkspawn attack Ostagar is a rip-off of the Helm's Deep scene from The Two Towers, which in turn is a rip-off of the climactic scenes from the film, Zulu. That's about it, kthxbye.

...Thank you for the movie trivia?

[10 Steps Back]

Biserthebomb wrote...

I personaly would like to be able to own black people in Dragon Age as slaves.

Not in real life. Don't EVEN go there.

I would like to own Qunari's as slaves in Dragon Age

[Saibh]

Ischkwezrn wrote...

I'm a bit surprised about people wondering about the origins of Dwarves and such in Tolkiens fantasy writings. It is well known that Tolkien's Dwarves, Elves etc are borrowed from Nordic mythology.. the name Gandalf, Dvalin, Thorin etc are all mentioned in the "Dvergatal" and Gimli is also in the Eddas and so forth..
Meanwhile the orcs originate from celtic mytholical beasts, if I remember correctly.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH! Gah, I'm sick of this one. Tolkien did not create the archetypes of dwarves or elves. The people reading his book at the time probably would have realized it--especially his fellow Oxford scholars. No disrespect to the man, I'm just sick of hearing how Tolkien was the only "original" fantasy author and ergo all other fantasy authors rip him off.

EDIT: And to add, as I recall there's a few Orlesian women that look Asian, to me: Anora's handmaiden (begins with an "E", right?) and that one lady who sells perfumes and such at Denerim Market and never lets you buy anything.

Modifié par Saibh, 18 juillet 2010 - 02:20 .

[saMoorai]

10 Steps Back wrote...

Biserthebomb wrote...

I personaly would like to be able to own black people in Dragon Age as slaves.

Not in real life. Don't EVEN go there.

I would like to own Qunari's as slaves in Dragon Age

Sten: "NO"

[HolyMoogle]

Ladybright wrote...

HolyMoogle wrote...

The scene where the Darkspawn attack Ostagar is a rip-off of the Helm's Deep scene from The Two Towers, which in turn is a rip-off of the climactic scenes from the film, Zulu. That's about it, kthxbye.

...Thank you for the movie trivia?

I'm assuming that was sarcasm. I know most people know what I said. I just stated it flat out to derail all this Zulu/Darkspawn nonsense.

[Saibh]

Biserthebomb wrote...

I personaly would like to be able to own black people in Dragon Age as slaves.

Not in real life. Don't EVEN go there.

Dude. Dude. This is so incredibly offensive. I...Jesus, if you're not seeing the offensiveness in this statement, I can't explain it to you.

[Thiefy]

i think exploring other cultures and their backgrounds would be neat but at the same time i am more curious about the lore that has already been presented to us and want to learn more about that in particular. i feel like intoducing more cultures without getting a really good idea of the ones we've already seen would be kind of like an overload and basically just a gimmeck.



I'd prefer to have quality over quantity; once we get a good idea and chunk of this part of the world (not necessarily all of it, just a good sized chunk) then I think that would be a good idea to introduce more cultures, unless they are somehow all intertwined.



I'm mixed race myself, and personally, if I wanted to see more "Asian" lore - fictional or historical, I'd go out and play a game based on that. That's just me though. Still, I think the team, so far, has done a great job with the game so I'm sure future installments will be just as good.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

No I don't think there will be. Which is another thing making it easy for me to write this game off.

I hear you, brother.  I stopped studying African tribal legends because there weren't enough Norwegians in them.

I've already had this argument, go back and read it.

There really wasn't much of an argument.  You referred to the setting as "vanilla", and others pointed out that it is distinctly european in its imagery.  That's not to say that there couldn't easily be a sort of Silk Road connecting the euro-types with the mysterious Occident or any other pseudo-culture based on real world civilizations.  Heck, the franchise could go on for years exploring a few continents worth of different cultures.

I don't think the game would be strengthened by some sort of bizarre, unexplained cultural integration, though.

[Ladybright]

I don't think anyone is suggesting bizarre, unexplained cultural integration.

[Chuvvy]

Thedas is a Europe analogue. In the middle ages there weren't a large number of Africans and Asians running around France and England. There were some but it's not like today where every race can be found in pretty much every country, I suppose you'd be hard pressed to find a white person in North Korea.

Modifié par Slidell505, 18 juillet 2010 - 02:31 .

[C9316]

Biserthebomb wrote...

I personaly would like to be able to own black people in Dragon Age as slaves.

Not in real life. Don't EVEN go there.

[Thiefy]

well i mean i can understand why it would important for some people to have that kind of representation, kind of like how a lot of females would like to play as their own gender or homosexuals would like romantic inclusion as well. if it's possible, i think it would really be great but at the same time i think we ought to not get too ahead of ourselves and not ask/demand for things that may not be ready for this specific installment *but* maybe be something prepared for in future installments.

[Saibh]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

well i mean i can understand why it would important for some people to have that kind of representation, kind of like how a lot of females would like to play as their own gender or homosexuals would like romantic inclusion as well. if it's possible, i think it would really be great but at the same time i think we ought to not get too ahead of ourselves and not ask/demand for things that may not be ready for this specific installment *but* maybe be something prepared for in future installments.

You do realize you can make your character any ethnicity in DA? Which is pretty much against all logic--unless Eleanor Cousland and that Rivaini ambassador...

EDIT: To clarify, I understand why a minority would like to be represented on a larger scale, certainly, I just raise an eyebrow at Thief-of-Hearts wording.

Modifié par Saibh, 18 juillet 2010 - 02:47 .

[Bryy_Miller]

Saibh wrote...

Biserthebomb wrote...

I personaly would like to be able to own black people in Dragon Age as slaves.

Not in real life. Don't EVEN go there.

Dude. Dude. This is so incredibly offensive. I...Jesus, if you're not seeing the offensiveness in this statement, I can't explain it to you.

I love how this is posted right after the ME2 dialogue which is basically this.

[Weiser_Cain]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

No I don't think there will be. Which is another thing making it easy for me to write this game off.

I hear you, brother.  I stopped studying African tribal legends because there weren't enough Norwegians in them.

I've already had this argument, go back and read it.

There really wasn't much of an argument.  You referred to the setting as "vanilla", and others pointed out that it is distinctly european in its imagery.  That's not to say that there couldn't easily be a sort of Silk Road connecting the euro-types with the mysterious Occident or any other pseudo-culture based on real world civilizations.  Heck, the franchise could go on for years exploring a few continents worth of different cultures.

I don't think the game would be strengthened by some sort of bizarre, unexplained cultural integration, though.

I don't want them to rip off different cultures I just want different ethnicities with nothing said about it.

[Ladybright]

Slidell505 wrote...

Thedas is a Europe analogue. In the middle ages there weren't a large number of Africans and Asians running around France and England. There were some but it's not like today where every race can be found in pretty much every country, I suppose you'd be hard pressed to find a white person in North Korea.

True enough, but an analogue is not the same as a copy. Many aspects of Thedas are different than their Medieval counterparts. Take literacy, for example. The standard of literacy seems to be quite high judging by the numer of bookshelves and books laying around. Also, only the mage and noble origins would realistically be good readers, yet somehow it is normal for my lowlife dwarf commoner to read letters, names, runes, etc? Gender roles, though not equal, are much more egalitarian than they were in real life. The Chantry is omnipresent in human lands, but the MC isn't ostracized or punished for being an atheist. There is also magic, which changes the setting in a very real way. Thedas will likely not progress through the Scientific Revolution or Enlightment the same way our Europe did.

Also, I think you are overlooking historical events like the Moors occupying Spain, Portugal, and the surrounding areas in the late Medieval era.

In short, Thedas is not an exact copy of Europe, and I'm sure the devs could come up with an interesting and plausible reason for a non-European in a European setting.

[saMoorai]

C9316 wrote...

Biserthebomb wrote...

I personaly would like to be able to own black people in Dragon Age as slaves.

Not in real life. Don't EVEN go there.

C9316: "Telling Racist to go F*ck themselves with pictures since Time Immoral"

[Thiefy]

Saibh wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

well i mean i can understand why it would important for some people to have that kind of representation, kind of like how a lot of females would like to play as their own gender or homosexuals would like romantic inclusion as well. if it's possible, i think it would really be great but at the same time i think we ought to not get too ahead of ourselves and not ask/demand for things that may not be ready for this specific installment *but* maybe be something prepared for in future installments.

You do realize you can make your character any ethnicity in DA? Which is pretty much against all logic--unless Eleanor Cousland and that Rivaini ambassador...

er, what exactly are you talking about? i assumed that the opening poster wanted fleshed out cultures and societies based off of historical Asian or Afircan cultures, and both of my replies were in response to that.

personally, i that is not important to me because like I said, 1) i would go out and play a game based off those cultures, 2)i would rather learn more about what we've  been told already rather than being overloaded with so many different and new legends, customs, etc. etc. I think the idea would initially be fun at first but it would get to be too much too fast as well. even so, i can easily see and empathize with why people would want that.

Modifié par Thief-of-Hearts, 18 juillet 2010 - 02:56 .

[Kritanakom]

DR4GNballz wrote...

yall ppl r retarded.
STEN is not based off a black guy
hes based off the polynesian culture
u know the BIG BROWN PEPLE otherwise from the islands of SAMOA or TONGA
i mean know ur cultures.
thats like when gears of war 2 came out there was a big brown guy with a tatoo on his face
and everybody thought he was JAPANESE....?!??!!..
when have u seen in any media a BIG ASS BROWN ASIAN GUY WITH A TATOO ON HIS FACE
NEVER!!!!!
and he had a MOHAWKK!!
he was based off pacific islanders

so STEN was not black, he was a PACIFIC ISLANDER!!!!

But Asians and Pacific Islanders fill out the same ethnicity bubble on standardized tests! 

Hah but seriously, many Asians are actually quite tan. I think the the Pacific Islanders are very closely related to Asians.
Also, I bet the "big-ass tatooed guy" archetype is present in pretty much every culture.

[saMoorai]

Slidell505 wrote...

Thedas is a Europe analogue. In the middle ages there weren't a large number of Africans and Asians running around France and England. There were some but it's not like today where every race can be found in pretty much every country, I suppose you'd be hard pressed to find a white person in North Korea.

its also a Fantasy game. it doesnt always have to stick to Historical Fact

[Daerog]

saMOOrai182 wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Thedas is a Europe analogue. In the middle ages there weren't a large number of Africans and Asians running around France and England. There were some but it's not like today where every race can be found in pretty much every country, I suppose you'd be hard pressed to find a white person in North Korea.

its also a Fantasy game. it doesnt always have to stick to Historical Fact

It doesn't have to stick to historical fact, but some common sense and some realism help set up a story that people can connect with. People developing/evolving darker skin makes more sense in an environment like central Aftrica, not a place similar to Norway.
Also wouldn't make sense for a very pale skin tone to develop in a environment primarily desert.
Immersion helps with entertainment, I know some people laughed or felt a little out of place when their Human Noble looked nothing like his/her family, but some did write it off as being born of a different father or mother.