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Do you think they'll be any black, Asian, etc. NPC's in DA2?


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Kritanakom wrote...

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yall ppl r retarded.
STEN is not based off a black guy
hes based off the polynesian culture
u know the BIG BROWN PEPLE otherwise from the islands of SAMOA or TONGA
i mean know ur cultures.
thats like when gears of war 2 came out there was a big brown guy with a tatoo on his face
and everybody thought he was JAPANESE....?!??!!..
when have u seen in any media a BIG ASS BROWN ASIAN GUY WITH A TATOO ON HIS FACE
NEVER!!!!!
and he had a MOHAWKK!!
he was based off pacific islanders

so STEN was not black, he was a PACIFIC ISLANDER!!!!


But Asians and Pacific Islanders fill out the same ethnicity bubble on standardized tests! :o

Hah but seriously, many Asians are actually quite tan. I think the the Pacific Islanders are very closely related to Asians.
Also, I bet the "big-ass tatooed guy" archetype is present in pretty much every culture. :)



i dont even know y asian r listed as PACIFIC ISLANDER.
we couldnt be ne differrent
there small, were big
there yello, were brown
there smart, were....nt that smart
there ninjas are agile, we slow as hell
and r language is nothing compared
so y we in same categry??
the only possible connection is THE MONGOLS

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Closest thing to Black I can recall in DAO is the Qunari, and even they are just dark/grey skinned.. everyone else in your party is white (aside from dog and Shale obviously). As for Asians, Liselle is the closest thing I can think of. There were only a few random NPC's who I wouldn't classify as being white in fact, the Chasind barbarians you come across in Lothering are among them, as well as the ones I mentioned above. But then again Fereldan is based on medieval England so I guess it fits.

Modifié par Golden-Rose, 18 juillet 2010 - 10:28 .


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Seriously why does it even matter?


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So, Ladybright, if RH had simply said the darkspawn invasion was based on the Zulu warriors' tactics during the Anglo-Zulu War, that would have been okay? Seems like such a minor distinction... and I have a feeling there's something to be said about our willingness to demonize and one-dimensionalize "the enemy" as a collective rather than as individuals, but I should probably refrain from speculating overmuch, lest I reveal my foolishness. :P

Modifié par filaminstrel, 18 juillet 2010 - 10:59 .


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DR4GNballz wrote...

Kritanakom wrote...

DR4GNballz wrote...

yall ppl r retarded.
STEN is not based off a black guy
hes based off the polynesian culture
u know the BIG BROWN PEPLE otherwise from the islands of SAMOA or TONGA
i mean know ur cultures.
thats like when gears of war 2 came out there was a big brown guy with a tatoo on his face
and everybody thought he was JAPANESE....?!??!!..
when have u seen in any media a BIG ASS BROWN ASIAN GUY WITH A TATOO ON HIS FACE
NEVER!!!!!
and he had a MOHAWKK!!
he was based off pacific islanders

so STEN was not black, he was a PACIFIC ISLANDER!!!!


But Asians and Pacific Islanders fill out the same ethnicity bubble on standardized tests! :o

Hah but seriously, many Asians are actually quite tan. I think the the Pacific Islanders are very closely related to Asians.
Also, I bet the "big-ass tatooed guy" archetype is present in pretty much every culture. :)



i dont even know y asian r listed as PACIFIC ISLANDER.
we couldnt be ne differrent
there small, were big
there yello, were brown
there smart, were....nt that smart
there ninjas are agile, we slow as hell
and r language is nothing compared
so y we in same categry??
the only possible connection is THE MONGOLS

The reason?We do not make a big deal about it as much as others do.My guess anyway.

#156
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The black guys in DAO just loked like they had really bad sunburn :/

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Do not care.

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DanteCousland wrote...

The black guys in DAO just loked like they had really bad sunburn :/


Haha yes they do.
I think with Elves, Dwarves, Humans, Qunari etc. there are enough ethnical groups in this fantasy World.
I would like to see more Animals. Something like Butterflys and Squirrels. And maybe here and there a couple of Fishes and Birds.

Maybe there will be a Mod or a Patch/Update for DaO. The engine wasn't that hardwareconsuming that this ist possible. And if the game lags you could disable this in the options.

And a small question:
Does all male (Blood)Mages look like Jowan?

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Actually yes, animals would be nice, including cows and horses and squirrels, because the world looks as if the darkspawn just ate all of them.

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filaminstrel wrote...

So, Ladybright, if RH had simply said the darkspawn invasion was based on the Zulu warriors' tactics during the Anglo-Zulu War, that would have been okay? Seems like such a minor distinction... and I have a feeling there's something to be said about our willingness to demonize and one-dimensionalize "the enemy" as a collective rather than as individuals, but I should probably refrain from speculating overmuch, lest I reveal my foolishness. :P


If that is all that is said (read: there were no other problematic posts), I don't see why not... but I am not the sole arbiter of decency. It does not seem a minor distinction to me; one is something people do, the other is something people are. However, comparing the darkspawn to the Zulu is problematic in and of itself -- a case could be made for tactics but that swings perilously close to the issue at hand. In fact, upon further reflection, I think a better route is just don't do it. There's really no way to compare the darkspawn to an ethnic group without being kind of racist. Yeah, that was a bit dumb post on my part -- it should be summed up in four words: just don't do it.

Good sir/madame, if you are going to mock me, I insist you be open about it. It shall be a good time for all. :P

In seriousness, I am interested in hearing your thoughts if you are interested in sharing.

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Just saying they had the numbers last time i checked...taking this way out of proportions.


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Well, I was going to say, I have a feeling there's something to be said about our willingness to demonize and one-dimensionalize "the enemy" as a collective rather than as individuals in an armed conflict, because considering them as individuals would make the conflict a lot harder to rationalize. Those kinds of assumptions that we allow ourselves to make about faceless groups of people aren't so easy to make about living, breathing individuals. Thus apparently it's okay to say the Huns as a group conducted war like monsters, but it's not okay to say the Huns themselves were monstrous. I would assert that they could both be offensive.

You could make the same argument comparing the darkspawn to the "Russian horde", and justify it by saying you're not talking about Russians themselves, but the people in that military using that military strategy... it still doesn't sound very kosher to me. You could compare the darkspawn to whoever you feel like, and say it's just their tactics you're talking about, but that's still a pretty negative thing you're saying about those people. It seems, in effect, to be a distinction of, "I'm not saying it's a duck, just that it walks like one and quacks like one."

I was originally going to assert that it makes a difference how far back in history you go. Thus, for civilization such as the Huns, Mongols, Vikings, etc, who are long gone, perhaps it's easier to portray them as 'barbaric' than it is for a modern civilization. But then I thought, why did the Iranian people get so upset with 300's depiction of the ancient Persians (as monsters)? Of course, that comparison is a lot more direct than any fan-speculation about the darkspawn being based on a past civilization... so it's not  a perfect analogy, by far. But I think it casts enough doubt on the matter that I can still say – it may not matter how far back you go. You might still risk offending the descendants of that civilization.

I thought Dragon Age was supposed to be all about grey morality – why do darkspawn even exist? They are the epitome of black-and-white morality. They are pure evilness. That's why it's so easy to offend people by comparing any group of people to the darkspawn. I do not mean to say that there have not been civilizations which have done pretty monstrous things – while I'm not sure of it's true or not, the account of the Mongols catapulting plagued corpses into besieged cities seems fairly monstrous. What the ****s did seems pretty monstrous. But to compare any group of people to a fictional belligerent group which is composed, quite literally, of monsters – evil to the core – then you have committed to a sort of one-dimensionalization that, yes, even the ****s do not deserve.

There, my foolishness has been laid bare. I apologize for subjecting you all to this. :P But thanks for asking.

ps – those were all generic "you"s, not referring to anyone specifically.

ps2 -- interesting censorship, I didn't realize that word was off-limits...

Modifié par filaminstrel, 18 juillet 2010 - 12:41 .


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When did the Iranian people get upset with 300 never heard of it.

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Well, there are a bunch of articles on the subject, this for instance.

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Well I quite liked 300, but I can see why Iranians would be upset at being portrayed as sub-human monsters and ogre-like creatures.

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filaminstrel wrote...

Well, there are a bunch of articles on the subject, this for instance.

Why cant movies be Just entertainment anymore bleh.:sick:
Oh well I did not start watching the news when 300 came out.
Nice action film imo.

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Bobad wrote...

Well I quite liked 300, but I can see why Iranians would be upset at being portrayed as sub-human monsters and ogre-like creatures.

Most persians were normal.Just they showed the persians employed many abominations in thier military.Personally it would make a fine stratgey to scare your enemies.People just can not look at the bright side sometimes.

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 Handheld himself thinks that the answer is NO!!! Handheld knows that bioware is completely against anything thats not canadian. This is why Handheld himself has become an honorary canadian so bioware will like Handheld better.

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Arttis wrote...

Bobad wrote...

Well I quite liked 300, but I can see why Iranians would be upset at being portrayed as sub-human monsters and ogre-like creatures.

Most persians were normal.Just they showed the persians employed many abominations in thier military.Personally it would make a fine stratgey to scare your enemies.People just can not look at the bright side sometimes.



Maybe the iranians are proud of thier persian history and to see them get slaughtered.....

I dont really care about different ethnicity as long as we have the option to enslave or free the elves!.

Modifié par freaktong, 18 juillet 2010 - 02:29 .


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And I love most freedoms...i will end with that.


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DA2 doesn´t need different humans, DA needs elves, dwarves, qunari etc...



However, if there are blacks, asians or whatever I wouldn´t mind at all. It would at least make for a change as most humans in RPGs are looking like Western Europeans or North Americans

(Honorable exception: Jade Empire. Glory to the Water Dragon)



It would be funny if there were ONLY blacks or asians and no whites at all.^^

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Deviija wrote...

Something that the writers -- Mary and David -- have said numerous times before on the old forums, during DAO's development cycle: They are not looking to create a European Medieval Sim.

Ferelden had a lot of fair-skinned people because that was the climate of ethnicity in that area. Yes, there are/were people of various color and diversity, but the dominant skin color is fair complexion. In other countries and areas of Thedas, people have different racial diversities (like the Qunari being dark golden-skinned).


Regardless, however, Thedas is STILL very much based off of Medieval Europe. Just like Hyrule, Albion, and many other games with this kind of setting.

Modifié par MuseMajora, 18 juillet 2010 - 02:52 .


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Arttis wrote...

Seriously why does it even matter?

Because some people like diversity in their games.

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Tirigon wrote...

DA2 doesn´t need different humans, DA needs elves, dwarves, qunari etc...

However, if there are blacks, asians or whatever I wouldn´t mind at all. It would at least make for a change as most humans in RPGs are looking like Western Europeans or North Americans
(Honorable exception: Jade Empire. Glory to the Water Dragon)

It would be funny if there were ONLY blacks or asians and no whites at all.^^

IMHO Dragon Age 2 needs more races outside of the same old Elf,Human,Dwarf, mold. Why can't we have Centaurs, Minotaurs, Cyclopes, Gnolls? There are hundreds of other fantasy races that are rarely used, so why do we always get the same damn races in games like this? I'd like to see people start trying to think outside of the box, and just stop following Tolkien and Lord of the Rings as a blue print to fantasy settings.

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ShadyKat wrote...

Arttis wrote...

Seriously why does it even matter?

Because some people like diversity in their games.

I disagree.:P