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[Anrim]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Drakensang, ahh such a beautiful hyper-generic fantasy bore-fest. Sure, it had some good mechanics going and decent visuals, but that is definitely not enough to make a game interesting for me. Not as bad as Gothic 3 or Risen though.

Needs moar blood and sex!!!

[KilrB]

Anrim wrote...

KilrB wrote...

Ummm ... No.

Tried to get into it but just couldn't seem to find the "immersion".

Played it after work for several weeks and it just didn't do it for me.

Ever see the movie "Lost In Translation"?

So ... if I reinstall it and play in German it will be better?

I doubt it ...

It wasn't a bad game, but it definitely wasn't a great game ... and DA:O definitely is.

[Anrim]

DA:O is definately a better game... but Bioware has been around for years.

And I definately do believe games are better in their original language.

Translations can be quite destructive to dialogue/story.

[MGeezer]

For me, the comparison just seems odd. Drakensang was a competant generic fantasy game--something to play to get your fantasy kicks, but nothing memorable about it. I enjoyed the Realms of Arkania Trilogy far more, so I was looking for ward to Drakansang and was somewhat disappointed.

By contrast, Dragon Age is clearly aiming at greatness, and, for me so far, achieving it.

Modifié par MGeezer, 10 novembre 2009 - 03:00 .

[mufuti7]

I am living in Germany and the release here was quite a few months earlier than the rest of the world (I think) and I never finished the game until now.
It is the same system but the game cant hold a candle to Dragon Age.

And what are you talking about the voice over? I mean who really cares about what your PC says. You first read the lines and then you have to hear them again before your opposite answers?
No. Personally I can even identify with my PC more if I hear his voice only in my head.
In Drakensang there was even a lot of dialogue from NPCs not voiced but text only.
However what really sucked was the limited character creation, you chose a class and the looks were predefined. Really poor.

Aside from that the quality of writing was laughable compared to Bioware Rpgs. My party did not feel right at all. they were pretty much static and uninteresting followers without too much of their own storyline and very very very little party interaction at all.
Combat was clunky too and overall this game just felt very half-cooked, IMO.
Visuals were decent though.

the old DSA series games are great but aside from that... Germany cannot make decent RPGs it seems...Gothic, Risen, and all this crap. I hate it.

Modifié par mufuti7, 10 novembre 2009 - 03:00 .

[Kellen Wolf]

I had never heard of it before this thread, and can't speak to how the game plays but Drakensang DEFINATELY has better looking weapons and armor/clothing. Yes, I know story and gameplay/mechanics are important too, but for me it has to be good visually as well. If dont like the look of the char. that I'm staring at for hrs at a time, it diminishes the experience for me.

[mufuti7]

At least in DA:O you will find so much loot that you will not often have to look at the same pieces for long. Drakensang has but a fraction of the quantity of loot you will see in Dragon Age. Obviously this stuff has to look good if you rarely get a chance for something new heh

[Anrim]

mufuti7 wrote...
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the old DSA series games are great but aside from that... Germany cannot make decent RPGs it seems...Gothic, Risen, and all this crap. I hate it.

Excuse me? Gothic and Risen and "all this crap"??!!
Are you telling me Gothic 2 gold isn't a great game?!
Hell, I even love Risen.
It's a different type of RPG. It and the Gothic series do
some things better than Bioware. The story elements
are thin, sure, but once you understand Gothic/Risen
you can't get enough.

I will say often they need patches but my god, they are
not "crap". And Realms wasn't even story heavy either.
And the combat was painful. I think you look back with
rose coloured glasses.

[The_Madpaddy]

Kellen Wolf wrote...

I had never heard of it before this thread, and can't speak to how the game plays but Drakensang DEFINATELY has better looking weapons and armor/clothing. Yes, I know story and gameplay/mechanics are important too, but for me it has to be good visually as well. If dont like the look of the char. that I'm staring at for hrs at a time, it diminishes the experience for me.

Bioware make great games but have ALLWAYS had very odd ideas about graphic style,NWN's had THE ugliest elves EVER and the weapons were all about 3 sizes too big,and its the same in DAO daggers look like short swords,bows, bows they look like a bloody log of wood with a bit of string on it lol.

Mauls are so big it would take three barbarians to swing it.Try giving a dwarf a great sword,yeh like he's EVER going to swing that,trip up face first more like .But i still love the game ,the mods will sort the weopons and stuff out so i dont mind.

[Auraad]

Anrim wrote...

mufuti7 wrote...
{snip}

the old DSA series games are great but aside from that... Germany cannot make decent RPGs it seems...Gothic, Risen, and all this crap. I hate it.

Excuse me? Gothic and Risen and "all this crap"??!!
Are you telling me Gothic 2 gold isn't a great game?!
Hell, I even love Risen.
It's a different type of RPG. It and the Gothic series do
some things better than Bioware. The story elements
are thin, sure, but once you understand Gothic/Risen
you can't get enough.

I will say often they need patches but my god, they are
not "crap". And Realms wasn't even story heavy either.
And the combat was painful. I think you look back with
rose coloured glasses.

This.

[The_Madpaddy]

German RPG's allways seem to have great music,they seem to have a knack for capturing that medieval fantasy feal.

[Auraad]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...
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Everything they've made past Gothic 2 is trash.

Nope. G3 was crap, but Risen is cool again ... imo. It's nothing new (lets say it's G 2.5), but it's pretty cool.
One of the absoluetly up-sides of the G-Series is the big and beautiful 3D world you can walk in - something Bio could learn from them.

[Brentra]

Rishavs wrote...

umm.. what is drakensang?

Drakensang is a generic budget RPG with unwieldy mechanics, bland gameplay and cringe-inducing voice acting. You know, your regular European RPG...

Modifié par Brentra, 10 novembre 2009 - 03:57 .

[Aurvan]

I was surprised at how good Drakensang was despite that I had hardly heard about it before I got it, but I stopped playing after a while for no other reason I guess that it didn't pull me in. I guess I couldn't get immersed into the game, and right now I can't really remember what it was like... :-O Probably something generic like... run around and collect some powerful items, wasn't it?



For Dragon Age the biggest thing is immersion. The world feels like a place that makes sense, the characters are interesting and fun to travel with, there aren't really any unintentionally funny moments (Drakensang had some), and I think about the game when I'm not playing- even going to the forum.

[mufuti7]

Anrim wrote...
Excuse me? Gothic and Risen and "all this crap"??!!
Are you telling me Gothic 2 gold isn't a great game?!

Ok compared to truly abyssmal RPGs they are obviously not crap. Gothic 2 is the best out of the bunch, I agree, having played them all. But overall these are very poor attempts at RPGs IMO. I just played them because a friend of mine told me how great they were supposed to be and because the german press went all nuts too. At that time I had more than enough free time on my hands anyway. Maybe the over hyping is what destroyed them for me or maybe I am just used to bettter games... I dont know. I did not finish Gothic 3 and before I could really get into Risen Dragon Age was released.

Brentra wrote...

Rishavs wrote...

umm.. what is drakensang?

Drakensang
is a generic budget RPG with unwieldy mechanics, bland gameplay and
cringe-inducing voice acting. You know, your regular European RPG...

qft

Modifié par mufuti7, 10 novembre 2009 - 04:17 .

[hannahb]

ummmm yes and no

[Aurvan]

Auraad wrote...

Crawling_Chaos wrote...
...
Everything they've made past Gothic 2 is trash.

Nope. G3 was crap, but Risen is cool again ... imo. It's nothing new (lets say it's G 2.5), but it's pretty cool.
One of the absoluetly up-sides of the G-Series is the big and beautiful 3D world you can walk in - something Bio could learn from them.

I have played Gothic 2 and 3, and Drakensang, but not Risen. But I don't remember G2 as so much better than G3. What was so great about G2 exactly? To me they were pretty similar.

[GODzilla]

Cutloss wrote...

Two things i miss very much in Dragon Age that Drakensang had are: My character would speak most of the dialogue. I feel like a Deaf-Mute standing there while everyone is speaking in DA. Secondly,I miss a graphically beautiful world to play in.

So your character in Drakensang actually speaks (voiceover)? Did you dream or imagine this?  Because he/she really does not.

[Nekator]

Drakensang was to stereotype, the compangnions were boring and the PC also was only half spoken. So i prefer full or no spoken text at all. Besides that i liked Drakensang, but it can´t really compete with DA.

[Vazdru]

I picked up Drakensang when I was desperate for a new RPG and did enjoy it quite a bit.....until I got to the big momma spider and realized I was screwed and needed to reload a MUCH earlier save and re-do most of my progress. Then the game lost it's charm for me. I have been planning on creating a new char and playing again, but meh. Also, I was quite disappointed in the whole lack of decent forum thing.

[Schuback]

Drakensang:

1) Character creation s*cked.

2) No chemistry among player and companions.

3) Only the first part of a dialogue is voice acted, others need to be read yourself. Too lazy to read all those words.

4) Lockpicking along with lots of other mechanics of the game was hard.

5) Linear

6) While PC has no voice during dialogues in DAO, Drakensang had no voice and no face. Turning the camera to NPC's front-view.



The good stuff of Drakensang:

Gladys & Gwendala.

Both good looking compared to Morrigan/Leliana; and I liked Gladys' English accent too.

And there's also a drunken dwarf companion similar to Ohgren. Though not as funny since you had to read it.

[jfunk]

Drakensang was really bland in my opinion.



However, I really enjoyed it as an old-school "dungeon crawl", which is what it really was. Sure, you may have been technically "outside" in many of the environments, but there was no openness or choices really for the most part.



It was a very linear, rather bland game story wise. It's basically a hack-n-slash dungeon crawl with the story just there to move you from one encounter to the next. If you enjoyed the really old-school RPGs where you basically just went through dungeons building your characters up and fighting more powerful stuff, you'll enjoy it. The mechanics are actually very good in my opinion, most people just have trouble with it at first because it isn't the "D&D" stuff they're used to. One hint if you do give it a try, pump up your stat that prevents "wounds" (Endurance I think, but I can't remember) on ALL your characters and do it fast. That's the single thing that makes combat impossible for most when they don't know what they're doing. Their characters keep getting wounds and are rendered ineffective or dead REALLY fast as soon as they start hitting some tougher mobs.



If you're looking for an epic story-driven RPG, you'll be disappointed.

[Foxiebeef]

Gothic series and Risen were really great, but the learning curve is very steep. It's what make most people think they are "crap".

[Edner132435]

I was thinking about this the other day. I was thinking "Why couldn't drakensange be like this" while playing DA. I got about 8 hours into drakensang and quit. It was very clunky and that whole "intro" bit to the game about solving the murder was too long/boring for me. No use in wasting time on inferior games when there is much better stuff to waste time on. Just my opinion of course, it wasn't an awful game, just never clicked with me.