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[Cribbian]

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[Kranaos]

He's differentiating from our paranoid fears about something that we barely know a thing about!!! Hang the blasphemous heretic!

Modifié par Kranaos, 18 juillet 2010 - 08:14 .

[Arttis]

Untrue.

It is an advertising thing.

They only let you know about some of the bad things mild or not.

Then later on let you in on the good things.

They are manipulating us I believe.

Obviously I could be wrong.

[Kranaos]

scyphozoa I can't agree more with you. No matter what they did with Dragon Age 2 it would be the same results from the fanbase. If they changed very little people would be unhappy, and if they changed it drastically then people would be unhappy still. You can't win'em all.

[geekeffect]

Interesting topic. I believe fans reactions are understandable considering that people are incredible passionate about the games they love. So there's got to be some latitude to what is accepted from them. Mixed reactions are common on these boards, or any other forum for any successful game around. The same thing happened regarding Mass Effect 2, I had my own mixed feelings about it. But in the end I believe BioWare has been creating excellent games and pushing forward their own vision of videogame entertainment, which I also believe to be an art form in its own way.

One of the reasons for the amount of negative reactions concerning DA2 has to do with the exaggerated emphasis on combat that came with the initial announcement. The first info was focusing on action as if it was going to be put into overdrive. And so DAO fans got scared that the game was going to disregard the tactical rpg gameplay that was/is a big part of the game. Some people put all the blame on EA. I don't really know anything about EA's influence over BioWare when it comes to strategy and decision making. Maybe it’s a common sense of corporate hatred. I get the feel that BioWare is making its own decisions. This is where they want to go, what they want to do. But they’ve been making consistent decisions and I don’t see them being so irresponsible that they would disregard such a big share of their fan base.

I get the feel that the Mass Effect series and the Dragon Age series are both great but quite different. The Mass Effect trilogy is the story of Shepard – what will follow after that, nobody knows. But the DA series is really about Thedas, about the many stories and people who inhabit this fascinating world that BW has created. So it will be interesting to see how it all intertwines in the end. Both series have very ambitious concepts. The integration of each game into a solid experience is a completely original concept. I hope most fans will learn to love it for what it is. But there will always be voices complaining about each change that gets away from their individual expectations. It’s a good thing that BioWare takes note of people’s impressions but if they were to address every opinion and angle that comes with it, they wouldn’t be able to finish one single game.

Bottom line, if they make a good game, the negative voices will loose momentum and more positive discussions will dominate. It has happened before.

[Grommash94]

Arttis wrote...

Untrue.
It is an advertising thing.
They only let you know about some of the bad things mild or not.
Then later on let you in on the good things.
They are manipulating us I believe.
Obviously I could be wrong.

I agree.

[UndercoverDoctor]

mochen wrote...

I'm all for DA2 evolving from DA:O, just as long as it doesn't evolve into ME2.

And I'm all for Bioware making the games they want, as long as EA leave them alone

Enough with this EA crap.

[Kranaos]

When your name is UndercoverDoctor and tell people to stop bashing EA makes me suspicious...just saying.

[Dermain]

geekeffect wrote...


Bottom line, if they make a good game, the negative voices will loose momentum and more positive discussions will dominate. It has happened before.

No, the negative voices will eventually find some small part of the game that they dislike, and then restart all of this whining BS that's been going on since the game was announced.

[CoM Solaufein]

DA2 = Mass Effect with Swords.

A shame really, DA was such a good game that they want to kill the series with the second release.

[Grommash94]

CoM Solaufein wrote...

DA2 = Mass Effect with Swords.
A shame really, DA was such a good game that they want to kill the series with the second release.

Yes because having a few of the same mechanics makes something the same game. 'claps'

I mean, your concern is appreciated, sure, but do you really have to just jump to conclusions so quickly?

Modifié par Grommash94, 18 juillet 2010 - 09:15 .

[Greenface21]

A very insightful and much needed post. This forum seems very polarized since they announced DA2. I am glad there still some people here willing to reserve judgment before the final product is released. DA2 could flop... but how can anyone really say? All we got so far are a few screenshots and some cryptic interviews from the bioware staff.

[Chairon de Celeste]

The campaign for da 2 so far will not get the pr guys a genius award, that's for sure.
Imho it adds unnessecaray stress to the devs, Chris, mods, community
and customers so far.

To berate folks for a natural reaction on the unintended f u d side effect
(fud = fear, uncertainty, doubt) doesn't help in any way.
Wich also goes for a seperate private thread.

[Dermain]

Grommash94 wrote...

CoM Solaufein wrote...

DA2 = Mass Effect with Swords.
A shame really, DA was such a good game that they want to kill the series with the second release.

Yes because having a few of the same mechanics makes something the same game. 'claps'

I mean, your concern is appreciated, sure, but do you really have to just jump to conclusions so quickly?

I've been browsing these forums for about a week now, and I must say that I believe most posters(complainers) must have a hive mind. They have all come to the same misconstrued idea that Dragon Age 2 instantly equals Mass Effect 2.

[Collider]

scyphozoa wrote...

I wrote this up in another thread but wanted to share it outside of that thread,

I think people suffer from an illusion of permanence. This is basically the most common and predictable reaction to any sequel. It happened with Mass Effect, its happens with every bit of film, television, literature, games and more. Any time you have a fan base of a franchise that gets a sequel or another installment, it is always a painful issue for some fans to accept that the sequel is not just a reskin of the original product they fell in love with.

As human beings, please, stop being so predictable. Let musicians make the music they want. Let film directors make the films they want. And let Bioware make the games they want. Your input is valid, but the slogan "if its not broke, don't fix it" doesn't apply to art. Art always has to grow and evolve and video games are  art.

If you want the 80 hour experience of DAO, its not going anywhere, but please stop begging for a reskin of the same experience. 

Thank you. I agree.
I will also add that people getting up in arms about not being able to play the same warden seems a bit much when they were never told they would be in the first place (as opposed to Mass Effect).

[TMZuk]

This is going in circles, of course, the pro's and the con's repeating the same arguments, as there's no news.

But, no, I don't expect I'll buy or play this game, because:

EVERYthing I have heard, read and seen so far points in the wrong direction from what I hoped DA2 to be. I'm not going to sum it up, again, I've done that often enough. I'll just state that I am still eagerly awaiting something I consider good news.

And with good news, I don't mean the ability to import a savegame, if you could not do that, there'd be no point in calling it DA2 at all.

I mean, a change for the better. A piece of news that makes me go: Wauw, that sounds good! And trust me, when I heard that DA2 was underway, I really wished to be excited. Perhaps I will be, I just have a very hard time imagining it, as I interprete all the news so far as DA2 becoming a shallower, shorter, more limited, more action- and combat-orientated game.

Modifié par TMZuk, 18 juillet 2010 - 10:15 .

[FedericoV]

mrsph wrote...

Fans (especially fans that post on official forums) are pretty infamous for being virtually unpleasable and hateful.

I do agree. In the new forums (especially the forums that do not ask game registration...) negative comments have allways been the majority. Even when DA:O came out. I remember the outrage about the Violence trailer... "OMG Bioware, you changed the game, now i'ts an action game about mindless sex and mindless violence"... LOL...

But the game sold pretty well nonetheless...

For me, virtual fans community (especially if large like Bioware Social) are overstimated and have become the repository of bitterness, histerya and self entitlement. The worst aspects of fanboysm.

I lurk other smaller community about DA:O than the official boards, and generally the tone and the opinions about the sequel are more open minded, positive and rational even when strongly critical.

Modifié par FedericoV, 18 juillet 2010 - 10:59 .

[TheMadCat]

If you want the 80 hour experience of DAO, its not going anywhere, but please stop begging for a reskin of the same experience.

Not going to be 80 hours, not even close. Game can only be so long with a voiced main character due to how fast that bill tallies up, especially if they decide on a big name for the role. Expect something close to 30-40.

[Wyndham711]

In some ways I wish that since they decided to voice the PC they would have gone all the way - made him/her REALLY defined. No gender options at least. That way the game could be somewhat longer at least, since they wouldn't have to voice the PC twice and take the gender differences into account in the writing process. Of course, we would lose even more options in the process. This current system just feels a bit undecisive. If they take most of the character creation options away from us, arguably they could have taken all of them, and not be content with this halfway solution. But I hope this direction will have some merits I'm just not aware of yet.