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[Khavos]

sumoaltus wrote...

It seems to me that a majority of the poeple who complain like this are in love with the Star Craft real time genre. A boring, unappealing, artless work that will never, ever change.

Just compare Star Craft 1 to 2. I took them 11 years to make that!? Come on! It's exactly the same thing, is that what these complainers want?

StarCraft 2 is going to be ridiculously successful.  They've kept what works from the formula, updated and improved what they could without changing it too much, and gave the eleventybajillion people who bought the first one exactly what they wanted in the second.

The Modern Warfare franchise is also quite successful.  The mechanics barely changed between MW and MW2.  Last I checked, MW2 sold insanely well.

GTA...well, do we really need to go there? 

What these successful games and their sequels have in common is that their developers didn't drastically rework the mechanics between titles.  MW2 didn't become a third person shooter with cover mechanics just so the devs could do something different.  GTAIV didn't get turned into a Sims clone just because the Sims franchise has huge mass appeal. 

Having heard their statements with what they intend to do regarding DA2, and having seen what they did with ME2, why on earth would I have faith that I was going to get a game as deep as DA:O?  There's absolutely no evidence to support the assumption that we'll get anything but a shorter, weaker, hack'n'slash action/RPG hybrid that forgot its actual RPG pants at home when it left for work.  

[FedericoV]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Problem is they announced some facts about the game, all these facts are unwelcome changes. All. They didn't gave fans any promising facts.

Speak for yourself . I respect your opinion, but sincerely I welcome the few changes they have talked about in the last couple of weeks and since I play Bioware titles from BG I times, I consider my self a fan too. The only thing I do not like is that players who like dwarves or elves will be forced to play as a human. But honestly, never played other races at first playthrough, and if it serves for better storytelling and better story, I'm all for it.

Modifié par FedericoV, 18 juillet 2010 - 06:40 .

[Mordaedil]

GTA series added a lot of ways to be nice ever since GTA San Andreas, though. You could play with jetpacks, you could partake in street races, you could have dates and take women out and have fun with them.



GTAIV took it a step further where you have to treat your family nice and take your friends out on dates where you go see a movie, play bowling or a number of other activities not associated with murder. Heck, even at the end of the game your character becomes so afraid of jaded he has become he ponders about the point of it all.



But JC from GTASA is the most sympathetic GTA character. He's really going through bad times with his family and gets his life threatened by everyone.

[AlanC9]

dbankier wrote...
DAO had the same structure as almost every Bioware game since KOTOR - linear beginning, compete hubs in any order, linear end. It wasn't a return to the BG format, it was the same thing they'd been doing for several years.

Isn't the BG2 structure almost the same too? The only difference is that you don't have to do all of the hubs, and you can come back to the hubs after a mandatory middle section.

[andar91]

Arttis wrote...

Untrue.
It is an advertising thing.
They only let you know about some of the bad things mild or not.
Then later on let you in on the good things.
They are manipulating us I believe.
Obviously I could be wrong.

And yet, if they were to leave the "bad" things until later, I think people would be much more upset at this stuff being hidden from them.  By being upfront about it, they get it out of the way and then can elaborate later as people calm down a bit.

[MaxQuartiroli]

I'll cut more shorter...

MoSa09 wrote...

i believe within those millions, there are some who nevertheless think differently

with the exclusion of this forum I have still to find one, and to find one who won't buy it
And I attend 2 big internet communities and a "real" RPG community (for "real" I mean that I know those person in real life, play RPG game with them and so on, not they are more valuable.. )

Sorry, but just a plain NO.

Your choice...

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 18 juillet 2010 - 06:54 .

[MoSa09]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

with the exclusion of this forum I have still to find one, and to find one who won't buy it
And I attend 2 big internet communities and a "real" RPG community (this means I know persons in real life)

than just lets us do a quick math. To make it easy, let's say 1 million silent players are out there as possible customers. How many of them do you know and can say they don't care about anything the people complain here? 500? 1.000? 5.000? 10.000? Even 10.000 would just be 1 % of that potential silent customers, so i guess it's not that far fetched to assume there are still some others out there who might have a different set of priorities. 

And now we should give it a rest, shall we, before he hijack this completely with a private debate?

[MaxQuartiroli]

hey MoSa09... No one prevent anyone to quote one of our posts and enter into the debat..
Anyway.. one last thing... It's a matter of probabilities.. If I know 100 "silent" players and all of them told me "I'll buy it no matter what" I suppose at least 90% of "silent players" will act the same...

Unless us italian players are different from the rest of the world.. lol.. and now let's give it a rest

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 18 juillet 2010 - 07:02 .

[Tirigon]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

hey MoSa09... No one prevent anyone to quote one of our posts and enter into the debat..
Anyway.. one last thing... It's a matter of probabilities.. If I know 100 "silent" players and all of them told me "I'll buy it no matter what" I suppose at least 90% of "silent players" will act the same...

Unless us italian players are different from the rest of the world.. lol.. and now let's give it a rest

That is a quite sheepish reaction, imo. To say they´ll buy something no matter what...

I for once will wait and see if it´s promising. There will be reviews soon enough after release.

[Games4ever]

They even say that Saints row 3 will look hot as hell when it comes out,after the cartoony but fun saints row 2

[errant_knight]

I don't think anyone is saying that their opinion will make or break the game. All people can really do is speak for yourself. I'm not even saying I won't buy it. I don't know if I will or not. It will have to be released, reviewed, and I'll have to make a judgement call. It will depend entirely on the end product. All I can say right now is that I'm concerned and disappointed with many of the things I'm hearing and seeing. How that plays out remains to be seen.

Modifié par errant_knight, 18 juillet 2010 - 07:20 .

[MaxQuartiroli]

Tirigon wrote...

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

hey MoSa09... No one prevent anyone to quote one of our posts and enter into the debat..
Anyway.. one last thing... It's a matter of probabilities.. If I know 100 "silent" players and all of them told me "I'll buy it no matter what" I suppose at least 90% of "silent players" will act the same...

Unless us italian players are different from the rest of the world.. lol.. and now let's give it a rest

That is a quite sheepish reaction, imo. To say they´ll buy something no matter what...

I for once will wait and see if it´s promising. There will be reviews soon enough after release.

I don't trust reviews too.. If I had trusted reviews I would have not played Alpha Protocol which was one my favourite game of the last decade

Therefore if I have to choose if buy a game or not what I consider are

1) The trustworthy I have in the company, and I haven't any reason to doubt of Bioware since I have still to play one of their game I didn't like or disappointed me (I could say something different for Expansion packs... but for main titles I feel confident)

2) The impressions and the feelings I have about the product they are offering to me.. And I am quite happy about the things I have seen until now.

[Kalfear]

errant_knight wrote...

I don't think anyone is saying that their opinion will make or break the game. All people can really do is speak for yourself. I'm not even saying I won't buy it. I don't know if I will or not. It will have to be released, reviewed, and I'll have to make a judgement call. It will depend entirely on the end product. All I can say right now is that I'm concerned and disappointed with many of the things I'm hearing and seeing. How that plays out remains to be seen.

Right at this moment, based on what I know, Ill buy this game via Steam for $40.00 or less.
But like you im also waiting on TRUSTED reveiws (none of this gamespot/IGN crap) for my final decision.

With Deus Ex3, The witcher 2, and TOR all coming out at Q1 of 2011, its not unreasonable to think ill wait till this game $10.00 before I buy it from bargin bin.

All I know for sure is based on released info, I will not pay full price for this Bioware game!
They themselves have forced that truth on me already with their poorly planed and poorly worded announcements!

[Addai]

scyphozoa wrote...

As human beings, please, stop being so predictable. Let musicians make the music they want. Let film directors make the films they want. And let Bioware make the games they want. Your input is valid, but the slogan "if its not broke, don't fix it" doesn't apply to art. Art always has to grow and evolve and video games are  art.

If you want the 80 hour experience of DAO, its not going anywhere, but please stop begging for a reskin of the same experience. 

Artists have the right to innovate, I have the right to not be parted from my money.  I already got suckered into paying way too much for Awakening.  I might end up buying DA2, but it's wait-see-do not preorder for any further Dragon Age material.

[errant_knight]

Kalfear wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

I don't think anyone is saying that their opinion will make or break the game. All people can really do is speak for yourself. I'm not even saying I won't buy it. I don't know if I will or not. It will have to be released, reviewed, and I'll have to make a judgement call. It will depend entirely on the end product. All I can say right now is that I'm concerned and disappointed with many of the things I'm hearing and seeing. How that plays out remains to be seen.

Right at this moment, based on what I know, Ill buy this game via Steam for $40.00 or less.
But like you im also waiting on TRUSTED reveiws (none of this gamespot/IGN crap) for my final decision.

With Deus Ex3, The witcher 2, and TOR all coming out at Q1 of 2011, its not unreasonable to think ill wait till this game $10.00 before I buy it from bargin bin.

All I know for sure is based on released info, I will not pay full price for this Bioware game!
They themselves have forced that truth on me already with their poorly planed and poorly worded announcements!

To be fair, we really don't know that. All we actually know is that some of the proposed changes sound disturbing and unneccessary, and that the PR department are less than...um, agile. They've said that these things will be implemented differently to different effect. That may be true. We can only be worried now, non know.

[Tirigon]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...


I don't trust reviews too.. If I had trusted reviews I would have not played Alpha Protocol which was one my favourite game of the last decade

You can´t trust the rating in points, but you CAN trust the description of how the gameplay is like, the screenshots etc.., I think.

[MaxQuartiroli]

Tirigon wrote...

MaxQuartiroli wrote...


I don't trust reviews too.. If I had trusted reviews I would have not played Alpha Protocol which was one my favourite game of the last decade

You can´t trust the rating in points, but you CAN trust the description of how the gameplay is like, the screenshots etc.., I think.

yes, of course but the final evaluation is up to me... because the reviewer is still a human, with his head and his thoughts, that can be different from mine.. Many times I didn't care the reviews and I regret I didn't care.. but sometimes I also found I liked/disliked the game exactkly at the opposite way of the reviewer...

Another example? Negative this time, while AP was a positive example 
Mask of the Betrayer... High reviews everywhere.. There isn't a game I could hate more !

[Narreneth]

CoM Solaufein wrote...

DA2 = Mass Effect with Swords.
A shame really, DA was such a good game that they want to kill the series with the second release.

You = Idiot with Internet Connection

[errant_knight]

Narreneth wrote...

CoM Solaufein wrote...

DA2 = Mass Effect with Swords.
A shame really, DA was such a good game that they want to kill the series with the second release.

You = Idiot with Internet Connection

Way to change minds and sway people to your opinion with your eloquent and insightful debate. You must be filled with pride.

[Altima Darkspells]

Narreneth wrote...

CoM Solaufein wrote...

DA2 = Mass Effect with Swords.
A shame really, DA was such a good game that they want to kill the series with the second release.

You = Idiot with Internet Connection

You = Jerkass with Internet Connection

[Bryy_Miller]

Nar, was that really needed?

[Fishy]

80 hours? Dragon age origins?

I have done many playthrough and i try hard , really hard to learn and do everything and read codex entry and my longest journey was 40 hours with every DLC.

80 hours .. How?Are you walking during the whole game?
I'm not bitter or trolling .. I"m just jealous.I want to experience those 80 hours

Modifié par Suprez30, 18 juillet 2010 - 08:27 .

[stevej713]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

Narreneth wrote...

CoM Solaufein wrote...

DA2 = Mass Effect with Swords.
A shame really, DA was such a good game that they want to kill the series with the second release.

You = Idiot with Internet Connection

You = Jerkass with Internet Connection

Most intelligent conversation I've ever seen on an Internet board.

80 hours? Dragon age origins?



I have done many playthrough and i try hard , really hard to learn and do everything and read codex entry and my longest journey was 40 hours with every DLC.



80 hours .. How?Are you walking during the whole game?

I agree with you.  Should I be ashamed to say that the main quest only took me 30 hours?  I didn't do all the quests, but I feel like I have seen all I need to see.  Especially after spending nearly 3 hours in the Fade in the Circle quest.  That was brutal.

Call me a casual gamer, but I want to finish a game and get on with my life.

Modifié par stevej713, 18 juillet 2010 - 08:30 .

[Addai]

errant_knight wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Problem is they announced some facts about the game, all these facts are unwelcome changes. All. They didn't gave fans any promising facts.

This was certainly true for me. If it hadn't been the case, I'm sure my reaction would have been more nuanced. As it was, it was on 'What!?' after another. That being said, if you consider the single character as being just one origin, it's just a much smaller game, not a different one, in that respect. Yes, it's predefined, but so was the Warden, except that you could choose from a number of predetermined backgrounds. This time, we only have one. Not ideal, but I can deal. The time thing might be interesting, too. I have no problem with that kind of experimentation. I find the other proposed changes in gameplay and presentation much more difficult to deal with.

Same here, but I would go back further and say I haven't been getting any good news out of the franchise since the first DLCs came out.  The DLCs have been anywhere from disappointing to downright appalling.  So while others may have unshakeable faith in Bioware and the franchise, can't say that I do.

[MerinTB]

Suprez30 wrote...
80 hours? Dragon age origins?

I have done many playthrough and i try hard , really hard to learn and do everything and read codex entry and my longest journey was 40 hours with every DLC.

80 hours .. How?Are you walking during the whole game?

Not this again...

check out my game profiles (or those of other players)
I clocked 128 on my first run, 98 on my second, and like 86 or so on my third.

My 4th I'm finally fastforwarding conversations I'm not interested in, skipping side missions, and only reading the codexes connected to the new origin I chose.  We'll see what I finish at - I'm betting it's still over 60.

What I cannot understand are those clocking in under 50 on their first play.