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MerinTB wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

It took me maybe 30 hours to do a dry run-through.

That's awesome.  Cause your avatar's pictured character is level 25 at 10 hours into the game with stats that are ridiculous.  25 level at 10 hours in.

Not judging how others play their games but that just isn't in the ballpark of "fun" nor "playing the game" to me.

Another character you did an origin story in about twenty minutes.  I thought my 2 hours Dalish origin was ridiculously short. :/

Thanks, Bryy, for showing me how someone can beat the game so quickly.

Origin in 20 minutes, 25th level at 10 hours into the game.<_<

if that was his first playthrough then yes I think that wouldnt be fun.  But if someone knows the game well enough to already have a character planned out and knows what kind of responses to do, say, and know where to explore then yes it is easy to get to level 25 in 10 hours of play.  A time saver for me is doing Redcliffe last after completing the Mage's circle and getting the ashes (knowing where to look right away in Denerim).

I would go as far to say that the best bang for your buck when it comes to bioware are the first two playthroughs mainly because of exploring new areas, and experiencing the storyline.

[MerinTB]

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MerinTB wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...
It took me maybe 30 hours to do a dry run-through.

That's awesome.  Cause your avatar's pictured character is level 25 at 10 hours into the game with stats that are ridiculous.  25 level at 10 hours in.

Not judging how others play their games but that just isn't in the ballpark of "fun" nor "playing the game" to me.

Another character you did an origin story in about twenty minutes.  I thought my 2 hours Dalish origin was ridiculously short. :/

Thanks, Bryy, for showing me how someone can beat the game so quickly.

Origin in 20 minutes, 25th level at 10 hours into the game.<_<

if that was his first playthrough then yes I think that wouldnt be fun.  But if someone knows the game well enough to already have a character planned out and knows what kind of responses to do, say, and know where to explore then yes it is easy to get to level 25 in 10 hours of play.  A time saver for me is doing Redcliffe last after completing the Mage's circle and getting the ashes (knowing where to look right away in Denerim).

I would go as far to say that the best bang for your buck when it comes to bioware are the first two playthroughs mainly because of exploring new areas, and experiencing the storyline.

Without exploiting the game you cannot read 25th level without completing just about every side-quest and DLC available.  Especially not 10 hours in where he's not done 2/3rds of the main story.

Also looked at all available characters he had.  Starter was about 50 hours to complete, and looked fairly normal.   Otherwise 20 minutes for an origin, and 25th level at 10 hours without having played most of the game.  If this is the person who can "play the game in 30 hours on a dry run" I can see why - playing the game is exploiting it to max your character then breezing through only the required to finish the game content.

Don't tell me it's "easy" to get to 25th level in 10 hours "if you know what you are doing" unless you are willing to admit that's code for exploiting the "donating to your armies" via "unlimited funds" by selling lyrium potions.

Modifié par MerinTB, 19 juillet 2010 - 12:02 .

[CybAnt1]

Look, I've complained about what has been announced definitively, that I don't like.



I've never said I won't buy the game, or even that I won't like it in spite of these changes; sometimes positives can outweigh negatives.



I've had arguments back and forth over the key change that bothers me (voiced PC + wheel) and the bottom line is I don't have to like it, and I have a right to say why I don't. I'm not honestly expecting them to change it at this point, but there may be enough other positive changes to the game that I'll get over this one.



I don't care about the "bye bye Warden 1.0 issue" (although btw nobody knows for sure whether or not s/he might pop up in a 2nd xpac before DA2 comes out) and it doesn't really matter to me, honestly, if I see the DAO or DAA companions again, I really mostly care that the DA2 ones are just as well written. (I also hope the dialogue system with them is not a clone of the DAA one; that plus the wheel would really ****** me off.)



I think it is definitely cool that the story will apparently be something else than "more blight and more wardens" perhaps we can see some new factions, adversaries, and plot drivers, and I like that.



Speculating about other stuff they haven't said is pointless; complaining about a change you THINK they're going to make when they haven't SAID they will is foolish.



I really hope they flesh out the gamesystem -- as I've said all along I'd like to see more classes, deeper specializations, more weapons, more usable items, more active item properties! Doing that might help me get over the other stuff I'm not crazy about.



And who knows, they may throw us a loop and the perennial teases of flowing cloaks, horses/mounts, and z-axis/vertical movement/jumping might show up in a Bioware game, then we can really watch sparks fly....



I was disappointed by Awakening and said so; my main concern (that it might be buggy as hell) will hopefully be addressed by some good QA.

[Bryy_Miller]

MerinTB wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

It took me maybe 30 hours to do a dry run-through.

That's awesome.  Cause your avatar's pictured character is level 25 at 10 hours into the game with stats that are ridiculous.  25 level at 10 hours in.

Not judging how others play their games but that just isn't in the ballpark of "fun" nor "playing the game" to me.

Another character you did an origin story in about twenty minutes.  I thought my 2 hours Dalish origin was ridiculously short. :/

Thanks, Bryy, for showing me how someone can beat the game so quickly.

Origin in 20 minutes, 25th level at 10 hours into the game.<_<

Come on, Merlin. This obviously isn't my main character, nor was my 30 hour runner. Yes, I did use the exploit with Cuculainn, but I also abandoned him for reasons I quite frankly forget at this point. The characters in my profile are also not my only characters, just the ones I didn't delete.

But yes, it is possible to cut ten or so hours from your playtime. 

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 19 juillet 2010 - 12:49 .

[Davasar]

Who cares.

If you feel the game isnt targeted to you and lacks the things that made DAO a good game, then dont buy the new game.

Simple.

Modifié par Davasar, 19 juillet 2010 - 01:23 .

[Bryy_Miller]

But Davasar, this is the official forums of a video game company. Opinions must be heard.

[errant_knight]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

But Davasar, this is the official forums of a video game company. Opinions must be heard.

Indeed. Forums aren't limited to the point of view one agrees with. Free speech and all that. Of couse, you aren't required to read those opinions....

[Narreneth]

I can't believe people are bashing how other people play a single player game. Did you buy their game? No? Then shut up. What characters someone has or doesn't have and what level they are and how they got there is not relevant.



In reference to the 100+ hour playthroughs the only thing I can think of is really slow reading and a lot of time spent away from the game with the game running. There just isn't that much content and since there's a max level and no respawning enemies, it's not as if you're wandering around grinding. Keep in mind, I'm not criticizing if you can actually stretch the game into a long cohesive event... I'm just saying I don't see how it's possible without what I mentioned in my first sentence.

[Bryy_Miller]

errant_knight wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

But Davasar, this is the official forums of a video game company. Opinions must be heard.

Indeed. Forums aren't limited to the point of view one agrees with. Free speech and all that. Of couse, you aren't required to read those opinions....

I feel you missed the sarcasm in my post, but the reply works anyways.

[errant_knight]

Maybe this should come back to the topic before it devolves completely into a circular firing squad.

[errant_knight]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

But Davasar, this is the official forums of a video game company. Opinions must be heard.

Indeed. Forums aren't limited to the point of view one agrees with. Free speech and all that. Of couse, you aren't required to read those opinions....

I feel you missed the sarcasm in my post, but the reply works anyways.

Ah. I see. I'll be sure not to accept reason at face value again.

[Bryy_Miller]

Well, yeah, opinions should be heard. I have nothing against that. It's just the part about this being the official forums which is the problem with it. People EXPECT to be heard, and as such.... well, what you said.

[MerinTB]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...
It took me maybe 30 hours to do a dry run-through.

That's awesome.  Cause your avatar's pictured character is level 25 at 10 hours into the game with stats that are ridiculous.  25 level at 10 hours in.

Not judging how others play their games but that just isn't in the ballpark of "fun" nor "playing the game" to me.

Another character you did an origin story in about twenty minutes.  I thought my 2 hours Dalish origin was ridiculously short. :/

Thanks, Bryy, for showing me how someone can beat the game so quickly.

Origin in 20 minutes, 25th level at 10 hours into the game.<_<

Come on, Merlin. This obviously isn't my main character, nor was my 30 hour runner. Yes, I did use the exploit with Cuculainn, but I also abandoned him for reasons I quite frankly forget at this point. The characters in my profile are also not my only characters, just the ones I didn't delete.

But yes, it is possible to cut ten or so hours from your playtime. 

Fair enough - I had wondered if you had deleted other characters.

I still can't imagine finishing DAO on my first run on anything less than 80 hours.  I stuck with the original 3 party members (Alistair, Morrigan, Dog) the whole game, and not only barely spoke to the others in the camp I did none of their side quests, and I still had 128.

[Narreneth]

Seriously, though 128 hours? How is that even possible? I want to say my first playthrough lasted around 50. I'd use the archives here to check but they're so messed up and inaccurate. For instance, on my Dwarf Noble it says Alistair was executed, that I am a Cousland and married Anora, and that I did not do the Dark Ritual yet literally NONE of these are true and one of them is impossible. If all these are inaccurate, it is likely that the length of time it says spent playing the game is inaccurate as well.

[MerinTB]

Narreneth wrote...

Seriously, though 128 hours? How is that even possible? I want to say my first playthrough lasted around 50. I'd use the archives here to check but they're so messed up and inaccurate. For instance, on my Dwarf Noble it says Alistair was executed, that I am a Cousland and married Anora, and that I did not do the Dark Ritual yet literally NONE of these are true and one of them is impossible. If all these are inaccurate, it is likely that the length of time it says spent playing the game is inaccurate as well.

It's the same time my game says.

And it definitely feels right.  My ME2 plays clock in at 40-50 hours, and they felt like far less than half the DAO playtime I got.

[errant_knight]

Yep. It's right, it's doable, and it's lots of people's game. You might as well accept it.

[In Exile]

Addai67 wrote...

I'm curious about this.  I do a lot of sidequests and have Stone Prisoner, Warden's Keep and RtO, but I usually run 45-50 hours.  128 hours?!  I do play on Easy or Normal, since I don't get into lots of meaningless combat, but would it account for that much difference?

It can't be just that. Reloads don't factor into playtime, right? I usually play on hard/nightmare depending on whether or not I want to RP or test-run a build, but at completing most sidequests, Keep/Prisoner I can @ most clock in at 64 hours. That's the longest I've played.

[AntiChri5]

How much codex do each of you read?

[Davasar]

From MerlinTB....

Pulling from what I quoted before:

"give Dragon Age a shot of adrenaline (effectively) amping up everything that maybe was a little lacking" - Mark Darrah
"just as Commander Shepard provides a compelling anchor for the Mass Effect series, the Champion of Kirkwall will be..." - Joe Juba
"how hard it is to work initially on PC and then convert the game back to console ... (i)n the case of Dragon Age II ...we're definitely ensuring the features we put in work well on console ... because it is typically much easier to convert them back to PC." - Ray Muzyka.
GI: Has Bioware's success with the Mass Effect series affected the studio's approach to Dragon Age?
Greg Zeschuk: ... it's fair to say that Mass Effect has had an influence on Dragon Age.

The rest of the GI article is chock full of references to ME this and ME that, as well as repeatedly referring to "classic RPG elements" as being "dated" and "needing replacement" while constantly referring to ME.

You. Play. Connect. The. Dots.


From Therumancer...

Truthfully it seems like Bioware is involved in both performing a quick cash-in, and is also becoming more corperate and trying to cater to what seems to be the most profitable group, rather than focusing on making the best RPGs it can. This bomb that is being dropped is disturbing, and it's even more disturbing that we're being told "don't talk about what you don't know" when they don't get the reaction that they were hoping for to the information.



Ahh except we are reacting to what we DO know.   You are spot on Therumancer.  The quotes above point that out, unless they are lying and we shouldnt believe things they say?


Which is it?  Reacting in a fashion they dont like to news and quotes from Bioware themselves (and then Bioware getting mad about it), or not believing things they say because they are lying?

Not pointing fingers, I just want to know which way to react.

Modifié par Davasar, 19 juillet 2010 - 05:01 .

[AlanC9]

Someone at Bioware got mad, you say? Link, please. I haven't seen any such reaction. I've seen them be sort of blithely dismissive towards people's concerns, but that isn't at all the same thing.

[Davasar]

AlanC9 wrote...

Someone at Bioware got mad, you say? Link, please. I haven't seen any such reaction. I've seen them be sort of blithely dismissive towards people's concerns, but that isn't at all the same thing.

Rather then argue and nit pick somantics, we'll agree that it was negatively recieved

[AlanC9]

Fair enough, Davasar. As a onetime copyeditor, I try to stick up for people using the words that mean what they're actually trying to say. "Mad" simply isn't correct here. I have contempt for plenty of posters on this board, but I hardly ever get mad at any of them. Only a personal insult will do it, and if I've got enough contempt for someone even that won't do. Bio folks don't seem to even get as far as contempt... except maybe David Gaider, but he tends to hide any real feelings he's got behind a veil of sarcasm.

Anyway, what sort of non-negative response could one expect from a developer? They believe in what they're doing. If you say you don't like the plans, either you're wrong and you will like the game, or you're right and the game just isn't for you.

Modifié par AlanC9, 19 juillet 2010 - 07:13 .

[Stanley Woo]

We already have a thread discussing the differences between DAO and DA2 and how people feel about it. Please take your discussion there. Thank you.



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