Considering how poweful they seem to be why dont they break off the chains of oppression and take over?
What is preventing the Mages from over running thedas?
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 08:16
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Templars are trained to render magic useless with their own brand of magic hence preventing a mage to use magic makes him pretty useless.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 08:17
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Yeah and if you played as a dwarf warrior and had templar protection mages were fodder.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 08:17
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The Chantry exists in all corners of Thedas minus areas the Qun control. That may account for the vast amount of templars every where.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 08:19
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I think generally they just wanna live as peacefully as they can with non-mages.The Console Version is good wrote...
Considering how poweful they seem to be why dont they break off the chains of oppression and take over?
Even thought the Templar's can be brutal, the circle is a good idea in premise. It takes new mages there and teaches them in an environment that is as safe as it can be.
And there is the abominations, I mean all mages risk becoming one, so I can see why they would want to stop demons form taking control of a mage and destroying everything. Even the mages themselves fear this.
I think its a compromise or sorts. The Circles get the resources they need to train mages, and keep them form killing people and in return they are sent to areas away from the public.
It might not be the right answer or the best one, but it is all they have at the moment. Its much better than killing them all.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 08:19
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Some mages want to break free from the chantry, some want to be loyal to it, some are indifferent.
They'd have to all unite under the same ideology and overcome an army of templars, etc. Sounds quite difficult.
They'd have to all unite under the same ideology and overcome an army of templars, etc. Sounds quite difficult.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 08:19
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Because the Templars are given power and training to combat mages and they outnumber the magic users considerably. Not to mention the threat mages pose is very real and if the Templars were to call upon aid there are likely quite a few who would give it. Lastly, of course, the Circle - in large part - tends to agree that the controls mages labor under and necessary and the large majority support the Templars' role.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 08:19
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Oh now I remember, It has been a while since I played Dragon age. Ahh I guess my Dreams of a Mage uprising will never happen.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 08:21
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Mutual assured destruction.
Also the only thing that kept the US and The Soviet Union from blowing each other up during the cold war.
Also the only thing that kept the US and The Soviet Union from blowing each other up during the cold war.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 09:30
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i believe what anders believes, that the chantry twisted andrastes words to rein in the mages. if i were in their situation id be plotting...waiting for the moment where i could catch the templars off guard and kill them...if the chantry got suspicious id have a letter sent to them under the knight commanders name and they wouldnt suspect a thing...then slowly id let small groups of mages out into thedas to target chantrys in small towns and do the same i did with the letter mentioned before...sure there may be some difficulties but still...it may work, thats a may not a will...and why not research some way to shield a mage from possession? magic has many uses so why not for that?
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 09:40
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The Console Version is good wrote...
Oh now I remember, It has been a while since I played Dragon age. Ahh I guess my Dreams of a Mage uprising will never happen.
Oh, I wouldn't rule that out. Who knows what will happen in the future? Eventually the mages are going to get tired of being under the Chantry's thumb, especially, say, if they were to discover Andraste was actually a mage herself..
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 09:44
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leonia42 wrote...
The Console Version is good wrote...
Oh now I remember, It has been a while since I played Dragon age. Ahh I guess my Dreams of a Mage uprising will never happen.
Oh, I wouldn't rule that out. Who knows what will happen in the future? Eventually the mages are going to get tired of being under the Chantry's thumb, especially, say, if they were to discover Andraste was actually a mage herself..
Everebody knows Andraste was a mage .
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 09:52
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bioware_fan wrote...
leonia42 wrote...
The Console Version is good wrote...
Oh now I remember, It has been a while since I played Dragon age. Ahh I guess my Dreams of a Mage uprising will never happen.
Oh, I wouldn't rule that out. Who knows what will happen in the future? Eventually the mages are going to get tired of being under the Chantry's thumb, especially, say, if they were to discover Andraste was actually a mage herself..
Everebody knows Andraste was a mage .
No they don't, they think she was the Maker's wife, and became powerful that way.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 09:58
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Given the existence of Templars, that mages are vastly out-numbered and many of them aren't interested in a violent uprising, I don't think they're likely to take over the entire continent any time soon.
That doesn't mean it could never happen - after all, Tevinter is already effectively ruled by mages and has been for thousands of years.
That doesn't mean it could never happen - after all, Tevinter is already effectively ruled by mages and has been for thousands of years.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 10:16
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The mages could easily defeat the templars and rule the world if they wanted. After all, The Circle Tower in DAO shows clearly that the templars are incompetent and useless.
However, look at Wynne, Irving and many others and you know why this won´t happen: They all are content with the status quo and if some mages would raise up they would rather help the templars putting the rebellion down than to raise up themselves.
However, look at Wynne, Irving and many others and you know why this won´t happen: They all are content with the status quo and if some mages would raise up they would rather help the templars putting the rebellion down than to raise up themselves.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 10:40
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Blame it on the iron grip of the Templars/Chantry... I think it's great that the Circle teaches Mages to be in control of themselves and not succumb to the many dangers of the Fade, however what they certainly do NOT need is an oppressive power constantly keeping their eyes peeled on them and giving them very little freedom or choice. No wonder there is so much tension between Templars and Mages. The Templar folk need to loosen up a bit IMO, especially in Kirkwall going by what I have heard.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 10:47
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I say cut out their tongues.
I say Tranq them all!
Use them as slave labor!
jk
I say Tranq them all!
Use them as slave labor!
jk
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 11:31
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The only way I see it happening is if the Old God preserved by Morrigan wanted to; that would give the mage's their Andraste. She could take him/her to Tevinter and with tangible proof of an Old God they could gain a lot of momentum, but I don't think they would be able to defeat all of Thedas, and if they did the world would be so crippled that if a Blight arose humanity would perish, or the Qun could swoop in and clean up and take over.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 11:37
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That's easy to say when we don't live in a world with mages....Golden-Rose wrote...
Blame it on the iron grip of the Templars/Chantry... I think it's great that the Circle teaches Mages to be in control of themselves and not succumb to the many dangers of the Fade, however what they certainly do NOT need is an oppressive power constantly keeping their eyes peeled on them and giving them very little freedom or choice. No wonder there is so much tension between Templars and Mages. The Templar folk need to loosen up a bit IMO, especially in Kirkwall going by what I have heard.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 11:50
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Jacks Smirking Revenge wrote...
The only way I see it happening is if the Old God preserved by Morrigan wanted to; that would give the mage's their Andraste. She could take him/her to Tevinter and with tangible proof of an Old God they could gain a lot of momentum, but I don't think they would be able to defeat all of Thedas, and if they did the world would be so crippled that if a Blight arose humanity would perish, or the Qun could swoop in and clean up and take over.
But why would Morrigan allow that? She despises the mages that allow themselves to be enslaved at the Circle, why would she dare give them something to believe in or try and unite them? No, I think most apostates (including Morrigan) are very selfish (probably out of necessity to survive) and that's one of the myriad amount of problems facing the greater mage community. It's more than likely that Morrigan intends to have a tight grip on the Old God Baby's upbringing, that is, she isn't likely to raise a child to think for itself but rather will try and manipulate her (or him) to do Morrigan's bidding (or Flemeth's bidding, as the case may be).
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Posté 18 décembre 2010 - 07:49
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I agree with what Tfatan7272 said. I think that anders has it right. Mages should be free to do as they wish as long as its for the good of thedas. If there are mages who decide to go dark side, then the templars would be necessary to keep a Mage Prison, a place where all mage talents are useless. But thats just me. I have favored the Mages since I started, why should that change. No more Apostates 
More free Mages 
FREEDOM FOR THEDAS!!!! 
More free Mages FREEDOM FOR THEDAS!!!!
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Posté 18 décembre 2010 - 08:14
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Based on other threads, some of you are going to get the answer to your question in game. I'm not going to go thread hunting but there is a thread with still captures of a DA2 film sequence where an army of Templar are marching on an army of Magi.
The idea of any group being free to do as they pleaes, "as long as they don't hurt anyone else," is terrific. But seeing as the DA world is trying to be a touch more realistic . . . it's not realistic to think any group can do that.
In reality, I've lived in a citiy where police stand on every street corner in the evenings. I've also lived in cities where the police only show up after you've been mugged and your wallet stolen. While the cops on every corner sounds oppressive . . . it works. That city was so much safer, cleaner, and more relaxed than the others I lived in.
So simply freeing the mages to police themselves is not going to work. Magic abuse and demonic possession would rise in occurence . . . considerably.
Having the mages police themselves . . . um yeah. Again, in the real world many groups insist they can police themselves while proving time and again that what they really do is defend their common interests. Mages cannot be trusted to police mages.
I do see the other side of this debate - but the idea of simply letting mages be free like butterflies is fantasy outside the scope of the DA "realistic" or "dark" fantasy world. It's more like Care Bears or Rainbow Brite type fantasy. Or even some of the older suphero type fantasies where everyone is good except for villians. Anyway.
The idea of any group being free to do as they pleaes, "as long as they don't hurt anyone else," is terrific. But seeing as the DA world is trying to be a touch more realistic . . . it's not realistic to think any group can do that.
In reality, I've lived in a citiy where police stand on every street corner in the evenings. I've also lived in cities where the police only show up after you've been mugged and your wallet stolen. While the cops on every corner sounds oppressive . . . it works. That city was so much safer, cleaner, and more relaxed than the others I lived in.
So simply freeing the mages to police themselves is not going to work. Magic abuse and demonic possession would rise in occurence . . . considerably.
Having the mages police themselves . . . um yeah. Again, in the real world many groups insist they can police themselves while proving time and again that what they really do is defend their common interests. Mages cannot be trusted to police mages.
I do see the other side of this debate - but the idea of simply letting mages be free like butterflies is fantasy outside the scope of the DA "realistic" or "dark" fantasy world. It's more like Care Bears or Rainbow Brite type fantasy. Or even some of the older suphero type fantasies where everyone is good except for villians. Anyway.
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Posté 18 décembre 2010 - 08:15
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Wait - why was this thread ressurected?
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Posté 18 décembre 2010 - 08:17
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If anybody were going to practice thread necromancy, it would be a mage.
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Posté 18 décembre 2010 - 08:18
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What if X happens ultimately depends on the writer. 
