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[Kail Ashton]

Pretty sure this was anwsered by the Tevinter in about the first hour of the game? nation of mages, nearly conqured thedas, whole female jesus thing, based a religion on her exploits, tevintar failed, is constantly reffrenced threwout the game? remember? no? nothing? just ignore'n this entirely then? took a discount on brain surgery?

[Ulous]

Kail Ashton wrote...

Pretty sure this was anwsered by the Tevinter in about the first hour of the game? nation of mages, nearly conqured thedas, whole female jesus thing, based a religion on her exploits, tevintar failed, is constantly reffrenced threwout the game? remember? no? nothing? just ignore'n this entirely then? took a discount on brain surgery?

The only problem is that this is for the best part written by the chantry.

[Skilled Seeker]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Mages need to be kept under control. Othewise they have absolute power and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Look at Tevinter. Therefore a governing body aka Templars is required to keep order.

Oh come on. Tevinter is like the most powerful country in thedas, sure they may have some bad stuff(slavery). But the other countries arent exactly saints either(Antiva, Orlais).

Magic allows you to be capable of far greater destruction. Tevinter is responsible for the majority of destruction that has taken place in Thedas. Therefore magic needs to be reined in.

Magic is like civilian ownership of guns, there needs to be control.

But why shouldnt mages rule? If natural selection works in Dragon Age like it works in our world it makes sense for mages to rule over the others.

I mean who's the most powerful? Mages. Who's the most educated? Mages. Who's the wisest? Mages. I mean There was a reason why the Tevinter Imperium was the most powerful nation for so long, and not just because of blood magic.

Because the vast majority are not mages and hence would not be happy living as slaves under mages who answer to no one. That would be very dangerous for Thedas, especially when the mages start dabbling in forbidden magic to gain more power. Need I remind you what bought about the darkspawn and the blights? Mages!

There must always be a non mage governing body just like in real life where there is a governing body for everything to prevent corruption from taking place. No one is perfect and even if you come into power with good intentions it WILL change you.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 20 décembre 2010 - 10:56 .

[Dellingr]

Skilled Seeker wrote...
...Need I remind you what bought about the darkspawn and the blights? Mages!

so the chantry says, and maybe they're right.
But it's notable that the dwarves, who have far more direct experience with darkspawn and didn't at the time have a vested interest in smearing the Tevinter Imperium (which was inextricably linked with magic use due to it's mageocratic government), tend toward the opinion that the darkspawn were always there, in the deep places of the world, and that they simply hadn't come into contact with other races until that point, when either the dwarves or the darkspawn dug too far and ran into the other

Some sort of magic-countering police force is a good thing
Training young mages to use their abilities safely and responsibly, is a very good thing, untrained mages are timebombs (I don't think it matters who's doing the training, what's important is that it's about responsibility with their power and exercising all the caution they can)

But once they're trained, there has to be a point where you can say "we trust you to be a productive member of society and be responsible with what you were taught and to always exercise caution in your practice of magic so as to minimise your risk of getting possessed or having a spell go badly wrong" It's the same principle as licencing drivers, after they've had the lessons and passed the tests you have to at some point accept that they've proved themselves capable of handling a vehicle on the road without constant oversight from you, if you can't have that point where you trust them then what was the point in teaching them to drive at all?

Of course, a minority of drivers get sloppy or reckless or for whatever reason and end up driving in ways that seriously endanger themselves and/or others, that's where traffic cops come into the situation-like I say, policing on the part of the templars in some form is a very good, very necessary thing.

An official policy of treating all mages like abominations waiting to happen and never trusting them to not be evil or stupid or incompetent makes the templars paranoid and much heavier handed than necessary, the mages feel persecuted, and the regular population a lot more scared of mages and in a much more general sense than necessary (since they're constantly being told how dangerous all magic is, rather than the distinction between mages who're responsible with their power and mages who aren't and who might be malevolent and how to tell them apart). Uldred demonstrates another danger of such a policy, it can very easily be a self-fulfilling prophecy

[FaeQueenCory]

Well they did.... they just got overthrown by a little girl who god thought was super sexy...

[Kakistos_]

The Tevinter Imperium proves that mages are capable of controlling their power. Just because they abused it doesn't mean all mages will. I'm sure they had their issues with Abominations but that clearly wasn't enough to stop them. Also I don't think that the Imperium is the most powerful nation in Thedas any longer. They were devestated by the first Blight and had to endure several Exalted Marches and still have to contend with continual opostion from the Chantry.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Kakistos_ wrote...

The Tevinter Imperium proves that mages are capable of controlling their power. Just because they abused it doesn't mean all mages will. I'm sure they had their issues with Abominations but that clearly wasn't enough to stop them. Also I don't think that the Imperium is the most powerful nation in Thedas any longer. They were devestated by the first Blight and had to endure several Exalted Marches and still have to contend with continual opostion from the Chantry.

Tevinter is not a nice place to live for anyone but the top magisters, and should not be used as an ideal.

[Face of Evil]

Mages HAVE risen up a number of times throughout Thedas and each of these rebellions have been brutally put down by the Chantry. Read the Codex on the Rite of Annulment. The Circle of Magi has been purged SEVENTEEN TIMES in the last 700 years.

Tirigon wrote...

The mages could easily defeat the templars and rule the world if they wanted. After all, The Circle Tower in DAO shows clearly that the templars are incompetent and useless.

Except that the templars had contained the situation and were just waiting for reinforcements, as well as permission to enact the Rite of Annulment.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 21 décembre 2010 - 02:32 .

[Jarek_Cousland]

The Console Version is good wrote...

Considering how poweful they seem to be why dont they break off the chains of oppression and take over?

My Sward of Truthiness.


Thats what >.

[Fishy]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Mages need to be kept under control. Othewise they have absolute power and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Look at Tevinter. Therefore a governing body aka Templars is required to keep order.

Oh come on. Tevinter is like the most powerful country in thedas, sure they may have some bad stuff(slavery). But the other countries arent exactly saints either(Antiva, Orlais).

Magic allows you to be capable of far greater destruction. Tevinter is responsible for the majority of destruction that has taken place in Thedas. Therefore magic needs to be reined in.

Magic is like civilian ownership of guns, there needs to be control.

But why shouldnt mages rule? If natural selection works in Dragon Age like it works in our world it makes sense for mages to rule over the others.

I mean who's the most powerful? Mages. Who's the most educated? Mages. Who's the wisest? Mages. I mean There was a reason why the Tevinter Imperium was the most powerful nation for so long, and not just because of blood magic.

I quoted this one and i could quote more but i think we have different idea of power.Ruling because you have the power .. That borderline enslaving people.This whole mage thing remind me of Harry Potter.The muggle world don't know about the magical world .Only the very important figure know about it.I don't buy the *I'm superior genetically* .. For some reason it's remind me of that idiot in GTA4.You're not superior . You're different.

So why they don't rule the normal world?So who's the strongest?A strong individual bowing down to a weak one .. Or a strong individual kicking the ass of the weaker one?It's easier hating than forgiving.Has intelligent being .. We have choice . Unlike critter.

Imo the circle thing it's a great thing.I think the mage aren't ready to police themself .. or because the chantry are just  tyrant .. But the mage definitly need to be policed .They're different.Not superior or inferior.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Magic is a tool to empower the worthy. I call it a sin not to rule the world when you've been blessed with the strength.

[Ziggeh]

I find all the "the strong should rule" talk fairly disturbing. That sounds like a terrible system of government, even leaving aside the whole "giving a potential abomination supreme executive power" thing. You want people with actual leadership qualities, who ideally aren't complete dicks. Elevating people due to accident of birth isn't just inviting disaster, it's laying out tea and cakes for the sod.