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[kansadoom]

So you calling us stupid and blind isnt insulting and i dont like some of the changes that they are putting in but im waiting to see how they put it in action first.

[TMZuk]

None the less, I have already noted the change in art-direction before, and for me to, it is bad news. I intensely dislike oriental-style rpg's like Jade Empire and Final Fantasy.

I'd hoped that DA2 would move in the opposite direction, and become more like The Witcher in terms of realistic looking weapons and armour. Alas, that was not to be.

Modifié par TMZuk, 18 juillet 2010 - 09:42 .

[adi4444]

art direction!--jade empire finale phantazy style
non linearity!!cuse this game is told like a story!in the past...
no races!
wheel dialog
action oriented combat...rogue like ninjas?? mass mobs?
less interaction bettwen cahrecters--awakning style.or mibe even wrose?
less skills
shorter game than dao 1... smaller world to see
is it not ENOUGH to see were this game is going? or you want to still wait for waht? is it not ENOUGH?

Modifié par adi4444, 18 juillet 2010 - 09:43 .

[Giltspur]

adi4444 wrote...

so i herd that bioware repleced the art director from dao 1 ....and chose a new art director ...

guess who?? yes yes its no mistek the art director off? jade empire!!

OMG
now insted of the cool graphics  armors and weapons of DAO1 we will get cartoon kamikazas c-r-p style graphics
insted of realistic medival cool grpahic we will get  finale phantazy age 2  

OMG

i am very very very disapointed !!!!!! :(:( not to mention all the ather changes they did to the game like non linearity  at all!!!!!!! no races!! dialog wheel!! no world map with places taht you can visit cuse you play in the past it is all generic you finsh one place and jump to another ther is no map that you can travel from place to place
and lots of ather changes sound to me that this game is going to be !! action cartoon phantazy style game with rpg elemnts good game! yes! dragon age2>? defenetly not!! if 1 wasent a sucses ok...but dao was a hit!! whay roing it?? it prove that the old school fans is a realy large group actuly ! i disagree its not old school!! wahy does it called like taht??? is action shotter is old school? for me yes!! for me  ME2 is old school...not DAO

p.s
sorry for my bad english

I'm hoping that things will look better in future screenshots.  For now, the models look okay (thoughly stylistically odd on the Darkspawn armor) and the hair and faces seem to look better.  The spell effects definitely look better.  The blood looks fairly unrealistic, and the environment looks pretty bad. 

I'm not sure where JE comes in even if the director is the same.  I really liked the look of that JE and thought the more cartoon look worked for it.  I haven't been able to figure out what DA2's look is though.  When I see a screen with the characters somewhat far away, it looks like some jagged comic.  If that turns out to be so, consider me to not be a fan of the look.  But up close like in a dialogue scene, it looks better. 

So maybe the combination of seething darkspawn, a dustbowl environment and early builds are making for underwhelming pictures.  I look forward to seeing more screenshots to see if things start to look better.

Modifié par Giltspur, 18 juillet 2010 - 09:45 .

[adi4444]

kansadoom wrote...

So you calling us stupid and blind isnt insulting and i dont like some of the changes that they are putting in but im waiting to see how they put it in action first.

ok sorry for that i will take my words back but lets see what we know so far about this game  ha?

-art direction!--jade empire finale phantazy style
-non linearity!!cuse this game is told like a story!in the past...
-no races!
-wheel dialog
-action oriented combat...rogue like ninjas?? mass mobs?
-less interaction bettwen cahrecters--awakning style.or mibe even wrose?
-less skills
-shorter game than dao 1... smaller world to see

is it not ENOUGH to see were this game is going? or you want to still wait for waht? is it not ENOUGH?

[kansadoom]

adi4444 wrote...

art direction!--jade empire finale phantazy style
non linearity!!cuse this game is told like a story!in the past...
no races!
wheel dialog
action oriented combat...rogue like ninjas?? mass mobs?
less interaction bettwen cahrecters--awakning style.or mibe even wrose?
less skills
shorter game than dao 1... smaller world to see
is it not ENOUGH to see were this game is going? or you want to still wait for waht? is it not ENOUGH?

I want to wait to see the game in action to see how these changes are implemented first

Modifié par kansadoom, 18 juillet 2010 - 09:47 .

[adi4444]

kansadoom wrote...

adi4444 wrote...

art direction!--jade empire finale phantazy style
non linearity!!cuse this game is told like a story!in the past...
no races!
wheel dialog
action oriented combat...rogue like ninjas?? mass mobs?
less interaction bettwen cahrecters--awakning style.or mibe even wrose?
less skills
shorter game than dao 1... smaller world to see
is it not ENOUGH to see were this game is going? or you want to still wait for waht? is it not ENOUGH?

I want to wait to see the game in action to see how these changes are implemented first

well i can tell you right now how they will be implemented in the game..they will good for an action game...not an rpg...and shore not for a sucsesor of bg and dao...

[kansadoom]

I doubt it will be like an action game and as far as i know there has been nothign confirmed about less interaction between charachters and it being a shorter game than DAO and they have already said that on the PC the combat will remain mostly the same.

[Aratham Darksight]

adi4444 wrote...

dragona age were realistic.. like a real world

you want to tell me that cartoonstyle? or japanise style is proper for rpg like this??

make jade empire 2 or finale phantzy 9 or waht ever .. but how the hell this kind of graphic is related to dao??

You have absolutely no idea what real medieval arms and armour looked like, do you? Maybe you were educated by cartoons, if you think a meter-long dagger is realistic.

I like stylized art. I think that Jade Empire was a beautiful game. The current artstyle (from what little has been shown) doesn't remind me of JE or JRPGs, but the covers of the two prequel books written for DA:O.

[adi4444]

kansadoom wrote...

I doubt it will be like an action game and as far as i know there has been nothign confirmed about less interaction between charachters and it being a shorter game than DAO and they have already said that on the PC the combat will remain mostly the same.

are you shore? cuse ifrom waht i herd evrthing that i wrote is confirmed!

[Noviere]

Okay, we get it. Are you done now?

[Whailor]

Funny how some losers already panic when there's nothing more known about the game other then couple concept art pics, some rumors and very general press announcements. And yet somehow some already, it seems, know how long the game will be, what graphics will be in it, what the story will be, game mechanics and what not! Geeze, what the heck are you eating at mornings? Tell me so that I could get as high as you and get such premonitions and clear images of what it will be.



Or, face reality and don't scream and panic here. There's not much known about the game yet since it was just announced recently, everything else is just a speculation.

[Chairon de Celeste]

Heck - 2 pages already and not a single link wich would turn speculation into confirmed info

[Giltspur]

adi4444 wrote...

-art direction!--jade empire finale phantazy style 

The art might be worse.  Waiting for more screenshots.

-non linearity!!cuse this game is told like a story!in the past...

Well, there are a lot of cool stories that have atypical chronologies.  The Elric saga is a dark fantasy that tells you how everything ends before the story starts. So I don't mind the idea of saying "here's what happened; now how did it happen?"  I doubt that structure increases mainstream appeal, given that most mainstream products don't have that setup.  It's probably a writer's decision.

-no races!
-wheel dialog

-action oriented combat...rogue like ninjas?? mass mobs?

They've said the PC combat is no different than DAO's in terms of the tactical feel.  The console combat is supposed to be more responsive to controllers--what that means no one knows yet.  But since the PC isn't changing, the fears that they're trying to make an action hybrid seem premature.

-less interaction bettwen cahrecters--awakning style.or mibe even wrose?

Gaider already said they're not just re-using the Awakening system as it was.  As for what they are doing, they haven't said.  And where does the idea that there's less interaction come from?  There's still party banter and romance options.  And the GI articles suggests that if you insult a character they might sulk about it and try to show you up later, even if the offense wasn't enough to make them leave the party.  So it seems like party interaction still matters to the team.

-less skills

That's probably.  But when they talk about this in the GI article the goal is for combat to remain as complicated and to eliminate redundant skills, put more distinctions between the three classes.  Some examples of combat changes are being able to customize individual spells to your liking (like fireball) and now allowing rogues and warriors to do combos (as mages could do combos in DAO).  On stated example of a cross-class combo for your party was having a warrior sunder armor and then the rogue backstab the vulnerable target.

-shorter game than dao 1... smaller world to see

We don't know the length of the game.  Some think the inclusion of VO means the game will be shorter.  Maybe it will be.  It's hard to say.  It's also probably going to be awhile before there's any consensus on the length of the game considering there are still people who argue over how long DAO is.

[Kagrenac]

Honestly, if I look at the armour of the new darkspawn i´m also dissapointed with the new art director. And now when I think about that he was the art-director of Jade-Empire I get why the Hurlocks now look as Ninjas. It just does not fit, and I am not the only one who thinks this way.

[TMZuk]

Chairon de Celeste wrote...

Heck - 2 pages already and not a single link wich would turn speculation into confirmed info

www.eurogamer.net/articles/greg-zeschuk-develop-interview?page=1

Modifié par TMZuk, 18 juillet 2010 - 10:58 .

[dielveio]

I'd say go find something else to do, get out of this forum for a while(like 6 months) and come back later..

[DPB]

Some people seem to be assuming that the art director was someone who had worked on nothing other than Jade Empire. This is wrong, he was already Senior Artist on DAO and worked on KOTOR, NWN and BG2.



http://www.mobygames...eloperId,27202/

[Games4ever]

The new art style is complete rubbish for us adults but lovely for all kids out there, who can buy this due to 13-16 rating maybe even teen rating?



remember it's EA who is behind, the big money machine who eats small children for breakfast,the only thing they care for is to get the game out fast(doesn't matter if it looks unrealistic) so they can start making those expansion packs, dlc,etc.so they can keep on making more money



this game will lose many fans from the first game,but of course get some new fans,the question are,will it will be enough new fans? doubt it

[joriandrake]

adi4444 wrote...

so i herd that bioware repleced the art director from dao 1 ....and chose a new art director ...

guess who?? yes yes its no mistek the art director off? jade empire!!

OMG
now insted of the cool graphics  armors and weapons of DAO1 we will get cartoon kamikazas c-r-p style graphics
insted of realistic medival cool grpahic we will get  finale phantazy age 2  

OMG

i am very very very disapointed !!!!!! :(:( not to mention all the ather changes they did to the game like non linearity  at all!!!!!!! no races!! dialog wheel!! no world map with places taht you can visit cuse you play in the past it is all generic you finsh one place and jump to another ther is no map that you can travel from place to place
and lots of ather changes sound to me that this game is going to be !! action cartoon phantazy style game with rpg elemnts good game! yes! dragon age2>? defenetly not!! if 1 wasent a sucses ok...but dao was a hit!! whay roing it?? it prove that the old school fans is a realy large group actuly ! i disagree its not old school!! wahy does it called like taht??? is action shotter is old school? for me yes!! for me  ME2 is old school...not DAO

p.s
sorry for my bad english

shoot the troll

and then, hang him for slandering Jade Empire

[adi4444]

Whailor wrote...

Funny how some losers already panic when there's nothing more known about the game other then couple concept art pics, some rumors and very general press announcements. And yet somehow some already, it seems, know how long the game will be, what graphics will be in it, what the story will be, game mechanics and what not! Geeze, what the heck are you eating at mornings? Tell me so that I could get as high as you and get such premonitions and clear images of what it will be.

Or, face reality and don't scream and panic here. There's not much known about the game yet since it was just announced recently, everything else is just a speculation.

if i am loser whar are you? stupid loser urself!!
i am right about what this game is going to be becuse ther is a lot of information about this game than go and read it insted of spek s-hi-t

[adi4444]

joriandrake wrote...

adi4444 wrote...

so i herd that bioware repleced the art director from dao 1 ....and chose a new art director ...

guess who?? yes yes its no mistek the art director off? jade empire!!

OMG
now insted of the cool graphics  armors and weapons of DAO1 we will get cartoon kamikazas c-r-p style graphics
insted of realistic medival cool grpahic we will get  finale phantazy age 2  

OMG

i am very very very disapointed !!!!!! :(:( not to mention all the ather changes they did to the game like non linearity  at all!!!!!!! no races!! dialog wheel!! no world map with places taht you can visit cuse you play in the past it is all generic you finsh one place and jump to another ther is no map that you can travel from place to place
and lots of ather changes sound to me that this game is going to be !! action cartoon phantazy style game with rpg elemnts good game! yes! dragon age2>? defenetly not!! if 1 wasent a sucses ok...but dao was a hit!! whay roing it?? it prove that the old school fans is a realy large group actuly ! i disagree its not old school!! wahy does it called like taht??? is action shotter is old school? for me yes!! for me  ME2 is old school...not DAO

p.s
sorry for my bad english

shoot the troll

and then, hang him for slandering Jade Empire

i want da2 not jad empire 2...u troll ; )

Modifié par adi4444, 18 juillet 2010 - 12:17 .

[adi4444]

Giltspur wrote...

adi4444 wrote...

-art direction!--jade empire finale phantazy style 

The art might be worse.  Waiting for more screenshots.

-non linearity!!cuse this game is told like a story!in the past...

Well, there are a lot of cool stories that have atypical chronologies.  The Elric saga is a dark fantasy that tells you how everything ends before the story starts. So I don't mind the idea of saying "here's what happened; now how did it happen?"  I doubt that structure increases mainstream appeal, given that most mainstream products don't have that setup.  It's probably a writer's decision.

-no races!
-wheel dialog

-action oriented combat...rogue like ninjas?? mass mobs?

They've said the PC combat is no different than DAO's in terms of the tactical feel.  The console combat is supposed to be more responsive to controllers--what that means no one knows yet.  But since the PC isn't changing, the fears that they're trying to make an action hybrid seem premature.

-less interaction bettwen cahrecters--awakning style.or mibe even wrose?

Gaider already said they're not just re-using the Awakening system as it was.  As for what they are doing, they haven't said.  And where does the idea that there's less interaction come from?  There's still party banter and romance options.  And the GI articles suggests that if you insult a character they might sulk about it and try to show you up later, even if the offense wasn't enough to make them leave the party.  So it seems like party interaction still matters to the team.

-less skills

That's probably.  But when they talk about this in the GI article the goal is for combat to remain as complicated and to eliminate redundant skills, put more distinctions between the three classes.  Some examples of combat changes are being able to customize individual spells to your liking (like fireball) and now allowing rogues and warriors to do combos (as mages could do combos in DAO).  On stated example of a cross-class combo for your party was having a warrior sunder armor and then the rogue backstab the vulnerable target.

-shorter game than dao 1... smaller world to see

We don't know the length of the game.  Some think the inclusion of VO means the game will be shorter.  Maybe it will be.  It's hard to say.  It's also probably going to be awhile before there's any consensus on the length of the game considering there are still people who argue over how long DAO is.

so in ather words you confirmed what i wrighted

party interaction still matters to the team? but it will shore be  with a lot less! depth from dao1....wahy not like in dao wenn they dont agree with you they can actuly leave and evevn attcak you..? i will not take comfurt in just half of the interaction,,,

[joriandrake]

adi4444 wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

adi4444 wrote...

so i herd that bioware repleced the art director from dao 1 ....and chose a new art director ...

guess who?? yes yes its no mistek the art director off? jade empire!!

OMG
now insted of the cool graphics  armors and weapons of DAO1 we will get cartoon kamikazas c-r-p style graphics
insted of realistic medival cool grpahic we will get  finale phantazy age 2  

OMG

i am very very very disapointed !!!!!! :(:( not to mention all the ather changes they did to the game like non linearity  at all!!!!!!! no races!! dialog wheel!! no world map with places taht you can visit cuse you play in the past it is all generic you finsh one place and jump to another ther is no map that you can travel from place to place
and lots of ather changes sound to me that this game is going to be !! action cartoon phantazy style game with rpg elemnts good game! yes! dragon age2>? defenetly not!! if 1 wasent a sucses ok...but dao was a hit!! whay roing it?? it prove that the old school fans is a realy large group actuly ! i disagree its not old school!! wahy does it called like taht??? is action shotter is old school? for me yes!! for me  ME2 is old school...not DAO

p.s
sorry for my bad english

shoot the troll

and then, hang him for slandering Jade Empire

i want da2 not jad empire 3...u troll ; )

I would be happy with Jade Empire 2 already

[adi4444]

joriandrake wrote...

adi4444 wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

adi4444 wrote...

so i herd that bioware repleced the art director from dao 1 ....and chose a new art director ...

guess who?? yes yes its no mistek the art director off? jade empire!!

OMG
now insted of the cool graphics  armors and weapons of DAO1 we will get cartoon kamikazas c-r-p style graphics
insted of realistic medival cool grpahic we will get  finale phantazy age 2  

OMG

i am very very very disapointed !!!!!! :(:( not to mention all the ather changes they did to the game like non linearity  at all!!!!!!! no races!! dialog wheel!! no world map with places taht you can visit cuse you play in the past it is all generic you finsh one place and jump to another ther is no map that you can travel from place to place
and lots of ather changes sound to me that this game is going to be !! action cartoon phantazy style game with rpg elemnts good game! yes! dragon age2>? defenetly not!! if 1 wasent a sucses ok...but dao was a hit!! whay roing it?? it prove that the old school fans is a realy large group actuly ! i disagree its not old school!! wahy does it called like taht??? is action shotter is old school? for me yes!! for me  ME2 is old school...not DAO

p.s
sorry for my bad english

shoot the troll

and then, hang him for slandering Jade Empire

i want da2 not jad empire 3...u troll ; )

I would be happy with Jade Empire 2 already

ok than go play jade empire 2...i want da2 and not  some cartoon style action game whos arts is more for the mainstreem croud...espacily kids...