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[David Gaider]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...
I don't know, the changes made so far were a deal-breaker for me. I'm still not buying DA 2. I don't doubt it will be a fun game, I do doubt it will be as fun as DA:O for me. If DA 3 returns some of the freedoms of DA:O I might pick DA 2 up after playing DA 3, or I might just see how it ends on YouTube. If I want to be stuck playing a set character, I'll watch a movie.

As far as supporting the Devs, yeah, do that if you like their product. If you don't like the changes, you should be free to voice that as long as you don't resort to insults, name calling, ect. Bioware is still making a product for money, it's not like they make games out of the goodness in their hearts out of leprechaun smiles and puppydog tails. They are a good company, if they make a good product, they'll stay afloat. DA:O is a great game, DA 2...isn't looking so hot to me right now and I'm not the type to gobble up everything a company will feed me with a grin on my face because the namebrand has become cool.

DA 2 is likely way past the point of no return on these concepts they are pushing, that's why I'm crossing my fingers that DA 3 will return to a more creative emphasis on the player.

If you really feel that there's no possible implementation of the features we've mentioned so far that would work for you, or that you have all the information needed to make your judgment and aren't basing them on assumptions-- then that's completely fair. We'd be sincerely sad to lose you, but as I've said many times we're well aware that we can't please everyone. Hopefully you change your mind or, as you suggest, the next game is more to your liking.

Modifié par David Gaider, 21 juillet 2010 - 01:14 .

[shedevil3001]

personally i dont want to play it but that doesnt mean i wont, i'm just waiting for something i actually like about the game to be announced upto now nothing has gotten my attention but that doesnt mean i'm gonna give the devs an ear full just because i'm not impressed with da2 upto now, after all its not out til next year theres still time for me to find something to like about it

[WilliamShatner]

David Gaider wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
If the sole purpose of our marketing department was to win over the fans on these forums, I'd agree with you.

Really? I thought we were consumers who purchased products developed and marketed by EA & Bioware?  

So which are you suggesting-- that our marketing department's sole purpose should be to win over the fans on these forums? Or that you believe the fans on these forums are representative of all consumers who purchase products developed by EA & BioWare? Because it really seems like your response is suggesting one of these things.

But it's not just this forum Mr. Gaider.  Pretty much every forum or new story comment section I've read has a sizable chunk of comments echoing those posted here.

Based on a design document released on ME2, your company appears to put a more significant stock in the opinion of Johnny Game Critic who plays the game for a week and then never touches it again (some indeed admit to never finishing the game) than the people here who have played the game several times and know it inside out.  I know you will disagree about this but I feel this is going about it the wrong way.

The people here have a passion for the games you have made and know so much about the games and worlds that it makes my mind boggle, and if I were developing the game I would certainly put more stock into the opinions of the people who are passionate about the game than someone who writes about it for a paycheck.

As for the people who don't post here but may represent the "silent majority", as the old saying goes, "if you don't vote you can't complain."

[Faust1979]

WilliamShatner wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
If the sole purpose of our marketing department was to win over the fans on these forums, I'd agree with you.

Really? I thought we were consumers who purchased products developed and marketed by EA & Bioware?  

So which are you suggesting-- that our marketing department's sole purpose should be to win over the fans on these forums? Or that you believe the fans on these forums are representative of all consumers who purchase products developed by EA & BioWare? Because it really seems like your response is suggesting one of these things.

But it's not just this forum Mr. Gaider.  Pretty much every forum or new story comment section I've read has a sizable chunk of comments echoing those posted here.

Based on a design document released on ME2, your company appears to put a more significant stock in the opinion of Johnny Game Critic who plays the game for a week and then never touches it again (some indeed admit to never finishing the game) than the people here who have played the game several times and know it inside out.  I know you will disagree about this but I feel this is going about it the wrong way.

The people here have a passion for the games you have made and know so much about the games and worlds that it makes my mind boggle, and if I were developing the game I would certainly put more stock into the opinions of the people who are passionate about the game than someone who writes about it for a paycheck.

As for the people who don't post here but may represent the "silent majority", as the old saying goes, "if you don't vote you can't complain."

you're not taking into account the people that feel happy for the changes that do post on this board. Not everyone here is against the changes.  You don't speak for everyone on this board

Modifié par Faust1979, 21 juillet 2010 - 12:41 .

[David Gaider]

David Gaider wrote...
But it's not just this forum Mr. Gaider.  Pretty much every forum or new story comment section I've read has a sizable chunk of comments echoing those posted here.

And? Even if I were to take anecdotal evidence at face value, what does it mean? A portion of the fanbase that is already paying attention doesn't like what they're hearing. That is understood. Ignoring that such feelings are hardly universal, not even here on these forums, it still wouldn't be marketing's sole task to appease those particular fans.

WilliamShatner wrote...
As for the people who don't post here but may represent the "silent majority", as the old saying goes, "if you don't vote you can't complain."

That would be an excellent old saying if we designed any of our games by committee.

Modifié par David Gaider, 21 juillet 2010 - 12:50 .

[shedevil3001]

hopefully in da2 we might get to see orlais at least anything is possible and just to point out i appreciate you taking time to even read the post mr gaider i just wish you didnt get everyone having a go at you every time you enter a thread hope it doesnt drive you off :}

[Faust1979]

I like seeing Mr. Gaider posting here along with the other devs and it's great seeing what they have to say and what info they tell us.

[Tirigon]

shedevil3001 wrote...

hopefully in da2 we might get to see orlais at least anything is possible and just to point out i appreciate you taking time to even read the post mr gaider i just wish you didnt get everyone having a go at you every time you enter a thread hope it doesnt drive you off :}

Who´s "having a go" at him? Unlike when adressing "common" poster I haven´t seen anyone who dared to insult Gaider (or anyone else with a BioWare sign below the name, for that matter).

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Yeah, something tells me Bioware isn't going to give all the forum-goers name badges and stock options.





Yes, yes..."We don't need no stinkin' badges!"

[Merllle]

Tirigon wrote...

Who´s "having a go" at him? Unlike when adressing "common" poster I haven´t seen anyone who dared to insult Gaider (or anyone else with a BioWare sign below the name, for that matter).

I don't know... You can never know when your face will end up serving as model to the darkspawn!

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Yes, yes..."We don't need no stinkin' badges!"

Merle approves (+10)

Modifié par Merllle, 21 juillet 2010 - 12:51 .

[Tirigon]

Merllle wrote...

I don't know... You can never know when your face will end up serving as model to the darkspawn!

They´d need to know my face firstB)


But it would be nice to have a darkspawn modeled after me, especially if it´s a badass one who causes you to reload a few times:devil::devil::devil:

[Merllle]

Tirigon wrote...

They´d need to know my face firstB)


But it would be nice to have a darkspawn modeled after me, especially if it´s a badass one who causes you to reload a few times:devil::devil::devil:

[ominous cheesy accent]
But how can you know for sure... If they don't already know your face...
Mwahahahahaha!!
[/ominous cheesy accent]

Now, seriously, you wish the death of us all?! What a mate!

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

The DA 2 screenshots of darkspawn right now, still look to me like stock evil characters from Thundarr the Barbarian. It's just comical.

[Merllle]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

The DA 2 screenshots of darkspawn right now, still look to me like stock evil characters from Thundarr the Barbarian. It's just comical.

And if you look closer you'll be able to see in this and that darkspawn vague facial features of everyone who ever told down those ebil eeebil game developers, ever!

distinguetraces wrote...

Gee... I'm the biggest **** in
town, and even I feel kind of bad that the "be nice to the devs for
once" thread morphed so quickly into the "be mean to the devs as usual"
thread.

Indeed. How nice is that to see?

Modifié par Merllle, 21 juillet 2010 - 01:19 .

[In Exile]

WilliamShatner wrote...
Based on a design document released on ME2, your company appears to put a more significant stock in the opinion of Johnny Game Critic who plays the game for a week and then never touches it again (some indeed admit to never finishing the game) than the people here who have played the game several times and know it inside out.  I know you will disagree about this but I feel this is going about it the wrong way.

The people here have a passion for the games you have made and know so much about the games and worlds that it makes my mind boggle, and if I were developing the game I would certainly put more stock into the opinions of the people who are passionate about the game than someone who writes about it for a paycheck.

What about people like me? People who think ME2 was an improvement over ME1? People who like the changes to DA2, like the VO? People who are posting here? Someone who has 8 playthroughs on DA and 5 on ME?

I appreciate your position. I do not appreciate your arrogance, suggesting that just because you dislike those features, you are the true fan ™ and all others are just hanging on the the game without truly understanding it.

I'm quite passionate - so why does my opinion, which is very positive and encouraging toward the changes, not count? Why does the opinion of others like me on this forum not count?

[Captain Jazz]

WilliamShatner wrote...

As for the people who don't post here but may represent the "silent majority", as the old saying goes, "if you don't vote you can't complain."

May those of us who don't see anything to complain about still vote?

[Lyssistr]

DA2 is going to be cool. I expected a voiceover for DA2's protagonist, since I remember DAO had been criticized by some reviewers for not having one. Fixing the surname & race is a natural thing to do, unless you fancy being called the "chosen one" by every single NPC.



All the other *confirmed* changes are welcome as well and overall I think it's a good thing that Bioware doesn't make things look repetitive. Imagine what it would be like if they sticked 100% to a tried & tested recipe, now we'd be playing Baldur's Gate IX.



Art is a different story altogether. I can't say I'm impressed with what's released so far, especially texture quality and somewhat the pyramid shaped darkspawn armor. However, Bioware usually delivers polished products and I have faith they can improve graphics till release.

[In Exile]

Lyssistr wrote...
All the other *confirmed* changes are welcome as well and overall I think it's a good thing that Bioware doesn't make things look repetitive. Imagine what it would be like if they sticked 100% to a tried & tested recipe, now we'd be playing Baldur's Gate IX.

I might be mischaracterizing them, but to the group complaining, that would probably be the best possible outcome.

[Merci357]

In Exile wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...
All the other *confirmed* changes are welcome as well and overall I think it's a good thing that Bioware doesn't make things look repetitive. Imagine what it would be like if they sticked 100% to a tried & tested recipe, now we'd be playing Baldur's Gate IX.

I might be mischaracterizing them, but to the group complaining, that would probably be the best possible outcome.

Honestly, I could think of many worse scenarios then this...

[Lyssistr]

In Exile wrote...

I might be mischaracterizing them, but to the group complaining, that would probably be the best possible outcome.

I don't want to sound like I didn't enjoye BG series, which was great but the Bhaal-children story is over and well presented, milking it for 10 would be a mistake by Bioware and wisely they didn't do it. Else, it would be like those never ending game series. 

Even companies that do make sequels for all their IPs do take care not to milk em to death, it is Diablo III that's coming out next year, not Diablo 15.

I'm sure people are vocal about continuing the exact same style as origins, this has always been the case with every game out there. Go to WoW forums, the last expansion is always worse than the previous one who was worse than vanilla wow and so on, even for raid tiers, the last one is always the worst ever, until a new one comes and dethrones it.

However my question to them is, if e.g. Bio had been producing one BG game per year, milking the hell out of it, would they buy BG 12 next year? Same goes for DA, Bio made their own lore, their own IP, their own landscape, if they kept it too static, I doubt even the whiners would buy upcoming DA games, because repetitive stuff is boring stuff.

 On the other hand if they change it too much, it wont be DA anymore but I don't think DA2 introduced airplanes or machine guns to spoil the overall environment.

TLDR: people may whine about changes, but this doesn't mean they won't get bored with a repetitive sequel

Modifié par Lyssistr, 21 juillet 2010 - 02:01 .

[WilliamShatner]

In Exile wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...
Based on a design document released on ME2, your company appears to put a more significant stock in the opinion of Johnny Game Critic who plays the game for a week and then never touches it again (some indeed admit to never finishing the game) than the people here who have played the game several times and know it inside out.  I know you will disagree about this but I feel this is going about it the wrong way.

The people here have a passion for the games you have made and know so much about the games and worlds that it makes my mind boggle, and if I were developing the game I would certainly put more stock into the opinions of the people who are passionate about the game than someone who writes about it for a paycheck.

What about people like me? People who think ME2 was an improvement over ME1? People who like the changes to DA2, like the VO? People who are posting here? Someone who has 8 playthroughs on DA and 5 on ME?

I appreciate your position. I do not appreciate your arrogance, suggesting that just because you dislike those features, you are the true fan ™ and all others are just hanging on the the game without truly understanding it.

I'm quite passionate - so why does my opinion, which is very positive and encouraging toward the changes, not count? Why does the opinion of others like me on this forum not count?

Of course you are entitled to your opinion.  I just don't think much stock should be put into this silent portion of people who buy the game, play it, never touch it again and forget about it.  Or people who thought Dragon Age: Origins was not for them.  Sorry if that is blunt or elitist, but then I also don't expect the developers of Saint's Row (for example) to cater for me or make the game accessible for me.  That type of game just isn't my thing.  I let the people who have a passion for that game like I do for several BioWare games have their game just the way they like it. 

I disdain people who don't like a series wanting to assimilate it into something they like. It's like Star Trek.  People who weren't fans of the show complained that the show/movies were boring.  So then they made the new movie an action movie for them disregarding nearly everything Trek was about and what made Trek Trek.  It's not like they didn't have Star Wars already. <_<

I am far from an expert on Dragon Age.  There are tonnes of people on here that know tonnes more about DA than me.  I read threads where people mention characters I don't know who they're talking about.  Hell I didn't realize "Cousland" was a surname of the PC until last week.

[Bratt1204]

shedevil3001 wrote...

personally i dont want to play it but that doesnt mean i wont, i'm just waiting for something i actually like about the game to be announced upto now nothing has gotten my attention but that doesnt mean i'm gonna give the devs an ear full just because i'm not impressed with da2 upto now, after all its not out til next year theres still time for me to find something to like about it

To me, it's less about the possibility of DA:2 not being a good game technically - but the lack of storyline transition from DA:O to DA:2 - that is what has me most concerned.

[Solid N7]

well javierbegazo said in other thread all these complains come from pc gamers and they make multiple accounts to said all these bull**** and I agree with these changes and I hope with these changes the hardcore roleplaying otakus aka "pc gamers" will leave these forums.

[Fiannawolf]

Well I did get my Gameinformer in the mail today and some parts did interest me. One of which involves our old save files. As for the rest, Ill wait til more info hits.