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[Onyx Jaguar]

Intellectual Property



When someone says their IP is that it was original for the company



For instance Bioware IP's would be Shattered Steel, Jade Empire, Mass Effect and Dragon Age



The rest are licensed properties

[Firky]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Maybe I'm wrong, and we should have just stapled 2 Archdemons together, let your character meet a mentor named "Tuncan" and knocked off early, but the simple truth is that's not the game I or the team wanted to make.

I may have just spat out a mouthful of tea, all over my keyboard.

Great response!

[Firky]

Firky wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Maybe I'm wrong, and we should have just stapled 2 Archdemons together, let your character meet a mentor named "Tuncan" and knocked off early, but the simple truth is that's not the game I or the team wanted to make.

I may have just spat out a mouthful of tea, all over my keyboard. (Because it was funny.)

Great response!

[Arttis]

I see.Just calculated all my posts i AM 13 AWAY FROM 2000 POSTS.

[The Edge]

Let the people making the game make the game! I know they need to consider their audience, but lets give them a chance to wow us with something a little different from the original, yet still familiar. I loved DA:O, I'm hesitant with a few decisions made for the sequel, yet I will keep my hopes up when a company like Bioware has held my attention for so long.

[Terror_K]

The Edge wrote...

Let the people making the game make the game! I know they need to consider their audience, but lets give them a chance to wow us with something a little different from the original, yet still familiar. I loved DA:O, I'm hesitant with a few decisions made for the sequel, yet I will keep my hopes up when a company like Bioware has held my attention for so long.

I may have had more confidence if they hadn't completely stuffed it up with Mass Effect 2. It doesn't help that there are some pretty strong parallels here either.

[Arttis]

We need more info...they are just manipulating us!

7 posts till 2k.

[Morroian]

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...
Would you consider The Witcher and Gothic to be great RPGs? I cant speak for the Gothic series as I have only played the 3rd in the series (which was absolutely horrible) but while The Witcher was a very good RPG I would hardly class it among the best. Planescape Torment on the other hand is a totally different kettle of fish.

The Witcher and Gothic 1 and 2 are both regarded highly. I'd regard them similarly to DAO.

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...
Sure Planescape Torment had less customization in terms of looks and background but then the Nameless One's looks and background were both vital to the plot, I wouldnt mind if DA2 had a predefined character that is vital to the plot however if Hawke is a character with shoes anyone could fill (like Shepard and Geralt) why cant we fill them with our own character? In Planescape Torment the story was focused around the Nameless One, the Nameless One is what made the story so interesting and the game so great, Planescape Torment wouldnt be the game it is today without the Nameless One.

Maybe Hawke being human is vital.

[Terror_K]

The only real problem I had with The Witcher that stopped it from getting up there with the very best RPGs was that you were stuck in a defined role, there was essentially just one class (i.e. Witcher) and that there were no party members. Beyond this it was fantastic.

[Arttis]

If the include solo i support the devs.

2.

[17thknight]

christrek1982 wrote...

mass efect 2 was a big inprovment too the first so theres no reason to think DA2 will be any differant just please don't strip the RPG eliment as you no dought alredy know DA caters too somewhat of a diffrent group of fans.

In some way s it was, but in the most important regards (Gameplay and RPG mechanics) it was a MASSIVE step backwards. They absolutely destroyed all the RPG elements save for dialogue. It was pretty tragic, and that's from someone who is a fan of the game.

They took two steps forward and 6 setps back.

I'm not at all surprised the same thing is happening to DA2. They are solely concerned with the console market of casual gamers. That's it. They really don't give a damn about the people who bought it specifically because it was tagged as "The Spiritual Successor to Baldur's Gate."

They would rather sell to people who don't even know what Baldur's Gate is.

Welcome to the future of Bioware.

[LPPrince]

17thknight wrote...

Welcome to my future of Bioware. 

Fixed, because an opinion will never become a fact.

[TheMadCat]

LPPrince wrote...

17thknight wrote...

Welcome to my future of Bioware. 

Fixed, because an opinion will never become a fact.

It's an opinion that BioWare has been looking to broaden their games appeal? Hasn't it also been one of BioWare's main goals to deliever their games to the largest audiences possible which would make it more of a fact.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 19 juillet 2010 - 06:58 .

[17thknight]

TheMadCat wrote...

It's an opinion that BioWare has been looking to broaden their games appeal? Hasn't it also been one of BioWare's main goals to deliever their games to the largest audiences possible which would make it more of a fact.

Quite true. And thus the problem. "Broadening the appeal" equates to less "hardcore" RPG experiences and more just movies with selectable dialouge and simple combat mechanics.

UGh.

[Solid N7]

17thknight wrote...

christrek1982 wrote...

mass efect 2 was a big inprovment too the first so theres no reason to think DA2 will be any differant just please don't strip the RPG eliment as you no dought alredy know DA caters too somewhat of a diffrent group of fans.

In some way s it was, but in the most important regards (Gameplay and RPG mechanics) it was a MASSIVE step backwards. They absolutely destroyed all the RPG elements save for dialogue. It was pretty tragic, and that's from someone who is a fan of the game.

They took two steps forward and 6 setps back.

I'm not at all surprised the same thing is happening to DA2. They are solely concerned with the console market of casual gamers. That's it. They really don't give a damn about the people who bought it specifically because it was tagged as "The Spiritual Successor to Baldur's Gate."

They would rather sell to people who don't even know what Baldur's Gate is.

Welcome to the future of Bioware.

This the future I want because hate all these pc rpg otakus with their crazy obssesion with roleplaying and other silly things,you speak nonsense mass effect 2 is one of the best game ever play like I said the only people that don´t like mass effect 2 arethe  pc rpgs otakus these fellows are worst than the japanese otakus.

[_-Greywolf-_]

Morroian wrote...

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...
Would you consider The Witcher and Gothic to be great RPGs? I cant speak for the Gothic series as I have only played the 3rd in the series (which was absolutely horrible) but while The Witcher was a very good RPG I would hardly class it among the best. Planescape Torment on the other hand is a totally different kettle of fish.

The Witcher and Gothic 1 and 2 are both regarded highly. I'd regard them similarly to DAO.

I dont mean to say the Witcher was a bad game and reading my post again it does seem like I was casting the Witcher in a bad light which wasnt my intention. I cant speak for Gothic 1 or 2 but you are right the Witcher was a very good game, not the best RPG I have ever played but still a very good game. The point I was trying to make (which I did poorly in my previous post) is that games like The Witcher and the Gothic games (dont know about 1 or 2 but 3 at least) would have only benefited from allowing more customization options for the main character (in my opinion at least) where a game like Planescape Torment would not.

Morroian wrote...

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...
Sure Planescape Torment had less customization in terms of looks and background but then the Nameless One's looks and background were both vital to the plot, I wouldnt mind if DA2 had a predefined character that is vital to the plot however if Hawke is a character with shoes anyone could fill (like Shepard and Geralt) why cant we fill them with our own character? In Planescape Torment the story was focused around the Nameless One, the Nameless One is what made the story so interesting and the game so great, Planescape Torment wouldnt be the game it is today without the Nameless One.

Maybe Hawke being human is vital.

One can only hope however it isnt Hawke being human that really bothers me about the character.

[LPPrince]

17thknight wrote...

In some way s it was, but in the most important regards (Gameplay and RPG mechanics) it was a MASSIVE step backwards. They absolutely destroyed all the RPG elements save for dialogue. It was pretty tragic, and that's from someone who is a fan of the game.

They took two steps forward and 6 setps back.

I'm not at all surprised the same thing is happening to DA2. They are solely concerned with the console market of casual gamers. That's it. They really don't give a damn about the people who bought it specifically because it was tagged as "The Spiritual Successor to Baldur's Gate."

They would rather sell to people who don't even know what Baldur's Gate is.

Welcome to the future of Bioware.

Everything bolded is an opinion. Like it or not, there it is.

Now I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, because an opinion is neither right or wrong.

But don't make it sound like all that is fact.

[17thknight]

LPPrince wrote...

Everything bolded is an opinion. Like it or not, there it is.

Now I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, because an opinion is neither right or wrong.

But don't make it sound like all that is fact.

Opinions can be right or wrong, true or false, just like anything else. The notion that an opinion is always void of fallacies is itself a fallacy.

I may be right. I may be wrong. Only time will tell.

However, even the original Mass Effect was very toned-down as far as the "hardcore" RPG's ala Baldur's Gate go.
DA2 is shaping up the same way, which is sad, because I thought Dragon Age was meant to be the exact opposite.

In fact, I think everyone and their mother expected MORE races, MORE classes, better fleshed-out classes, better mechanics, more stats, etc.

The fact that all those elements are being toned down or flat-out don'te exist is pretty shocking. But it is indicative, when taken alongside ME2, of the direction Bioware is moving in general.

Solid N7 wrote...



This the future I want because hate all
these pc rpg otakus with their crazy obssesion with roleplaying and
other silly things,you speak nonsense mass effect 2 is one of the best
game ever play like I said the only people that don´t like mass effect 2
arethe  pc rpgs otakus these fellows are worst than the japanese
otakus.

What the hell is an otaku and why should I give
a damn?

Modifié par 17thknight, 19 juillet 2010 - 07:15 .

[Solid N7]

17thknight wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Everything bolded is an opinion. Like it or not, there it is.

Now I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, because an opinion is neither right or wrong.

But don't make it sound like all that is fact.

Opinions can be right or wrong, true or false, just like anything else. The notion that an opinion is always void of fallacies is itself a fallacy.

I may be right. I may be wrong. Only time will tell.

However, even the original Mass Effect was very toned-down as far as the "hardcore" RPG's ala Baldur's Gate go.
DA2 is shaping up the same way, which is sad, because I thought Dragon Age was meant to be the exact opposite.

In fact, I think everyone and their mother expected MORE races, MORE classes, better fleshed-out classes, better mechanics, more stats, etc.

The fact that all those elements are being toned down or flat-out don'te exist is pretty shocking. But it is indicative, when taken alongside ME2, of the direction Bioware is moving in general.

Solid N7 wrote...



This the future I want because hate all
these pc rpg otakus with their crazy obssesion with roleplaying and
other silly things,you speak nonsense mass effect 2 is one of the best
game ever play like I said the only people that don´t like mass effect 2
arethe  pc rpgs otakus these fellows are worst than the japanese
otakus.

What the hell is an otaku and why should I give
a damn?

you:devil:

[joriandrake]

successful troll is successful?

[AlanC9]

17thknight wrote...
Opinions can be right or wrong, true or false, just like anything else. The notion that an opinion is always void of fallacies is itself a fallacy.

I may be right. I may be wrong. Only time will tell.

Several of the statements above are only valid for someone with your tastes, though. Your backwards/forwards metric, for instance. Doesn't make them wrong so much as rhetorical.

And "They would rather sell to people who don't even know what Baldur's Gate is." is really kind of silly. Bio has no reason to care if you've heard of a game that came out twelve years ago. The question for them is whether you want BG all over again or not, which isn't at all the same question.

[Riona45]

AlanC9 wrote...


And "They would rather sell to people who don't even know what Baldur's Gate is." is really kind of silly. Bio has no reason to care if you've heard of a game that came out twelve years ago.

 
I was thinking the same thing.  And, even as someone who loved the BG series, I have to admit that games have changed a lot since then (often for the better).

[mllrthyme]

Riona45 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...


And "They would rather sell to people who don't even know what Baldur's Gate is." is really kind of silly. Bio has no reason to care if you've heard of a game that came out twelve years ago.

 
I was thinking the same thing.  And, even as someone who loved the BG series, I have to admit that games have changed a lot since then (often for the better).

Agreed.  I liked BG1 & 2, but I don't want another game just like it.  If that's the case, I'll save my money and play BG again.  However, I do like to see the genre that I enjoy evolve into something better and different.

BTW I googled otaku and it is a "Japanese word used to refer to people with obsessive interests, particularly anime, manga, and video games..."

[Arttis]

I am Otaku now.

[therewasatime]

17thknight wrote...

....They are solely concerned with the console market of casual gamers. That's it. They really don't give a damn about the people who bought it specifically because it was tagged as "The Spiritual Successor to Baldur's Gate."

They would rather sell to people who don't even know what Baldur's Gate is.

Welcome to the future of Bioware.

That's a wide generalization. Not every console-player is a casual-gamer who wants simplified games. I own a XBox 360 for gaming cause I don't want to deal with hardware-updates on the PC-site anymore. Do I know Baldur's Gate? Sure, one of my favorite games ever.