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[sumoaltus]

It seems to me that a majority of the poeple who are complaining about a title without a teaser traler fit into one single psycholgical category. I call it the Star Craft complex. Obviously this name is derived from the very unappealing, artless, and redundant real time genre title known as Star Craft.

This complex has reproduced wealth of boring games such as War Craft, Halo Wars, and countless others that i don't feel are worth even typing out. 
Originally Star Craft came out about 11 years ago. Take a look at the first title and compare it to Star Craft 2. I took them 11 years to make that!? Come on! It's exactly the same thing, is that what the fans want, the same exact game?

I honestly wouldn't want to spend a hard earned $60 on Dragon Age: Origins 2 (Carbon Copy).

[Lord_Saulot]

StarCraft 2 doesn't look like the same game; the first was a great game, and the new one looks like it will be too.



It's nonsensical to claim that others are closed minded (like you do in your title) and then provide no argument other than bashing games that others like.

[bjdbwea]

A carbon copy of BG 2 in current graphics would be the best RPG ever.

[sumoaltus]

http://www.videogame...comparison.html



So you're telling me that it takes 11 years of genious to do that?

[Lord_Saulot]

Um... they weren't working on the game straight for 11 years. They were working on other projects in between.



If you don't even know what you are talking about, then its hard to take this thread seriously. Done here.

[iTomes]

well i agree: another 80 hours archdemon hunting would propably be as refreshing as protoss in new bad graphics...

[Games4ever]

link



glad to help

[sumoaltus]

well obviously they weren't working on it for 11 years, but the thoughts on how to make something else were still there, as they should be.

What I'm getting at here is about 70% of DA fans do not want close to a carbon copy for DA2. And it's not fair for 30% of fans to demand that when the rest of us are keeping an open mind and are confident in Bioware's abilities to create blockbuster titles.

Modifié par sumoaltus, 18 juillet 2010 - 06:12 .

[iTomes]

well bioware NEVER made a bad game. mass effect 2 propably was bad for bioware standards (thats something to discuss somewhere else) but it STILL was a highlight. so, for it is bioware, i dont think that dragon age 2 CAN become bad.

[SelphieSK]

I guess sumoaltus just means to say that some people seem to want Dragon Age 2 to be a direct continuation of DAO, with the same main character, the same companions, the same setting, the same combat system, the same graphics, etc etc... which would be ultimately not... very interesting.

I for one am glad that the Grey Warden business is done!

[andar91]

While I think that many are forming opinions without sufficient information, I also think that they complaints are fair (though I disagree with them myself). For some people, things like being able to choose your race and imagine their character's voice are a big part of their enjoyment. That being said, I do think people are being a little hasty. But change is always scary when you have a lot invested in something. As we get more information, I expect quite a few of the people who are opposed to these changes might change their minds.

I do agree with you about carbon copy games and I think it's a common problem with video games. Fans of a franchise have a large tendency to cling to the past. Examples include Tomb Raider and Final Fantasy-in both of those genres I've seen the common sentiment that many would be more happy if the makers simply redid old games with little changes if any. The problem with that mentality is that the games would NEVER sell to a large enough audience to support future installments financially. Tomb Raider did that for several titles and only the hard-core fans continued to buy, while most complained of the stagnation of the series. Not until TR: Legend when they totally revamped the series did it experience an upsurge in popularity that (in my experience) pleased both new fans and old ones.

Another problem is that a large number of players seem to have made the assumption that future Dragon Age games would continue the story of one character, a theory that (to my knowledge) was never supported by any kind of authority.  Personally, I'm glad they're doing it the way they are because to continue telling the same person's story would have made things get really old really quick. Besides, as far as I'm concerned the story of the Warden is finished because they defeated the Blight and the Archdemon-what else would the Warden have done?  With the taint inside of him/her, his time amongst the living was limited anyway.  The story of the Warden, for me, was concluded and I'm ready for a new one.

Modifié par andar91, 18 juillet 2010 - 06:19 .

[Khayness]

bjdbwea wrote...

A carbon copy of BG 2 in current graphics would be the best RPG ever.

Would take like 10 DvDs

[Lord_Saulot]

sumoaltus wrote...

well obviously they weren't working on it for 11 years, but the thoughts on how to make something else were still there, as they should be.

What I'm getting at here is about 70% of DA fans do not want close to a carbon copy for DA2. And it's not fair for 30% of fans to demand that when the rest of us are keeping an open mind and are confident in Bioware's abilities to create blockbuster titles.

Ok, man, since I agree with you that DA2 can't be a carbon copy, and I think the game sounds like it could be good so far, I won't argue further about other games.

[andar91]

Sorry, accidental double post.

Modifié par andar91, 18 juillet 2010 - 06:21 .

[sumoaltus]

SelphieSK wrote...

I guess sumoaltus just means to say that some people seem to want Dragon Age 2 to be a direct continuation of DAO, with the same main character, the same companions, the same setting, the same combat system, the same graphics, etc etc... which would be ultimately not... very interesting.
I for one am glad that the Grey Warden business is done!

Exactly, I needed a third party to properly clarify what I was getting at. I really didn't want to induce another argument into these forums but I guess it was bound to happen based on my title. And yes, while the whole "Grey Warden" story was very enriching, I'd like to see something new done, which from what I can see is happening.

andar91 wrote...

While I think that many are forming opinions without sufficient information, I also think that they complaints are fair (though I disagree with them myself). For some people, things like being able to choose your race and imagine their character's voice are a big part of their enjoyment. That being said, I do think people are being a little hasty. But change is always scary when you have a lot invested in something. As we get more information, I expect quite a few of the people who are opposed to these changes might change their minds.

I do agree with you about carbon copy games and I think it's a common problem with video games. Fans of a franchise have a large tendency to cling to the past. Examples include Tomb Raider and Final Fantasy-in both of those genres I've seen the common sentiment that many would be more happy if the makers simply redid old games with little changes if any. The problem with that mentality is that the games would NEVER sell to a large enough audience to support future installments financially. Tomb Raider did that for several titles and only the hard-core fans continued to buy, while most complained of the stagnation of the series. Not until TR: Legend when they totally revamped the series did it experience an upsurge in popularity that (in my experience) pleased both new fans and old ones.

Right, I am a loyal/die hard fan of both ME and DA and I always want to see something new brought to the table. I'm also proud to say that playing ME2 convinced me to buy ME1 so I could re-play the entire story as a whole. I feel DA2 - seeing as it is created by Bioware - will be a great expansion to the series.

[DeepGray]

sumoaltus wrote...
I call it the Star Craft complex. Obviously this name is derived from the very unappealing, artless, and redundant real time genre title known as Star Craft.

[errant_knight]

This was ridiculous in the other thread, and it's ridiculous here. You compare apples and oranges and don't make any kind of concrete point about either Starcraft (which couldn't have less to do with DA), or Dragon Age. You're basically saying 'all change is good, otherwise the boogieman will get you.'

[Kalfear]

sumoaltus wrote...

well obviously they weren't working on it for 11 years, but the thoughts on how to make something else were still there, as they should be.

What I'm getting at here is about 70% of DA fans do not want close to a carbon copy for DA2. And it's not fair for 30% of fans to demand that when the rest of us are keeping an open mind and are confident in Bioware's abilities to create blockbuster titles.

Charts to prove this 70%/30% split please

[Narreneth]

bjdbwea wrote...

A carbon copy of BG 2 in current graphics would be the best RPG ever.

No, it would be BG2 with updated graphics.  If you want to play BG2, go play BG2.

[andar91]

Narreneth wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

A carbon copy of BG 2 in current graphics would be the best RPG ever.

No, it would be BG2 with updated graphics.  If you want to play BG2, go play BG2.

This with added emphasis. I love BG2 but I don't need another exact copy.

[BlightWalker]

sumoaltus wrote...

It seems to me that a majority of the poeple who are complaining about a title without a teaser traler fit into one single psycholgical category. I call it the Star Craft complex. Obviously this name is derived from the very unappealing, artless, and redundant real time genre title known as Star Craft.

This complex has reproduced wealth of boring games such as War Craft, Halo Wars, and countless others that i don't feel are worth even typing out. 
Originally Star Craft came out about 11 years ago. Take a look at the first title and compare it to Star Craft 2. I took them 11 years to make that!? Come on! It's exactly the same thing, is that what the fans want, the same exact game?

I honestly wouldn't want to spend a hard earned $60 on Dragon Age: Origins 2 (Carbon Copy).

The very fact that you compare Starcraft and the Warcraft series (which preceded SC1 btw fyi) to Halo Wars of all things shows that you have no idea what you're talking about.

[sumoaltus]

@errant_knight I'm not comparing the two, just the complex to keep every sequal the same. Change is good, as long as it's feasible and it appeals to the masses - including me - I don't really see it being something to cry about.



@Kalfear Sorry broseph, I don't have the charts. I'm speaking in generalities.

[Drasanil]

I think a large part of the problem with Bioware claiming they wanted to do the story of Hawke, a supposedly more defined character, and giving this as excuse to cut out elves and dwarves is that's it's obviously bull.



If they really wanted a more "defined" character they wouldn't have given gender options or class options, I mean why bother with two voice actors for what's supposed to be one defined character? They could have saved the money and made the story that much more indepth.



And before every one goes off and say but they had to have fem-Hawke or else the weminz would be offended. You're missing the point, they could have entirely cut out he-Hawke and just given the option for a few decent chainmail bikinies and most of the male-teen-console-gamers it's seems they're trying to appeal to would have been fine with it.





Personally I really wouldn't be surpised if we see some DLC a few months after release that let you play as Elf-Hawke or Dwarf-Hawke, or Hawke's plucky elf/dwarf side-kick. It just seems like one of those things Bioware purpously cut out knowing they could sell it later as DLC because of the demand generated by DAO elf and dwarf fans.

[sumoaltus]

@Blightwalker Again, I'm not comparing any one game to the other. Just the paradox of loyal fans wanting copies of games.

[errant_knight]

sumoaltus wrote...

@errant_knight I'm not comparing the two, just the complex to keep every sequal the same. Change is good, as long as it's feasible and it appeals to the masses - including me - I don't really see it being something to cry about.

@Kalfear Sorry broseph, I don't have the charts. I'm speaking in generalities.

You can't speak in generalities and then use numbers as specific as 70% and 30%. You're just making stuff up--there's nothing to support that. Here let me fix that for you:
'I feel that a majority of the fans (etc, etc), while a minority (blah, blah).'

There you go. Equally spurious, but not quite as blatant.