NWN2 had some pretty good campaigns and that could be played coop just fine. The OC was okay, Mask of the Betrayer was great, Storm of Zehir was... well, some people liked it.
Do you think it would be a good idea if bioware made the game player co-op online?
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#27
Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 08:30
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uberdowzen wrote...
Yeah my point was more that if they designed a Dragon Age game to be like that from the beginning it could work. I will admit that NWN was slightly average as a single player game.
The official campaign was certainly only average or even below average but there were a significant number of excellent single player modules released for NWN.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 08:31
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uberdowzen wrote...
Why so negative? Remember that Neverwinter Nights had co-op (in fact it was built around it) and that was a good game. I think Bioware are best to focus on single player but I'm not against this. It could be quite fun.
I've heard that the OC was terrible, but the toolset was good and it has plently of good mods. Anyways, with multiplayer, I never play co-op and only like playing against people, so I'm a little curious as to what the appeal is.
The real-time with pause aspect causes problems. How would you implement this in a co-op scenario? If a game is turn-based or fully real-time it's not a problem since you either have stops between every turn or just fluid action all throughout, respectively, but in real-time with pause where the player can control the pace more, wouldn't players get in each other's way?
But yeah, I agree. Don't see what co-op would bring to the table here. How would it add value to the game?
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 08:32
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No. One reaction might be "But...why not? It's just a new option. What's wrong with options?"
I fear we could lose more than we gain. For example, Dragon Age is basically a bunch of conversations that occasionally get broken up by an action sequence. And I like it that way.
That doesn't work for an online game. You need constant action for multiplayer. I don't want Dragon Age to make those concessions in support of an added feature.
Not saying it wouldn't be fun. It probably would be. I just think there are too many potential tradeoffs.
I fear we could lose more than we gain. For example, Dragon Age is basically a bunch of conversations that occasionally get broken up by an action sequence. And I like it that way.
That doesn't work for an online game. You need constant action for multiplayer. I don't want Dragon Age to make those concessions in support of an added feature.
Not saying it wouldn't be fun. It probably would be. I just think there are too many potential tradeoffs.
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#30
Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 08:47
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It would be like Fable 2 all over again. Definately not good.
Can you imagine, with Fable 3's "Knock Up Yer Buddy" feature? People would finally have a loophole to the "can't romance Bethany" problem.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 09:09
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Dick Delaware wrote...
I've heard that the OC was terrible, but the toolset was good and it has plently of good mods. Anyways, with multiplayer, I never play co-op and only like playing against people, so I'm a little curious as to what the appeal is.
Playing through the campaign with a friend can be fun.
The real-time with pause aspect causes problems. How would you implement this in a co-op scenario? If a game is turn-based or fully real-time it's not a problem since you either have stops between every turn or just fluid action all throughout, respectively, but in real-time with pause where the player can control the pace more, wouldn't players get in each other's way?
In NWN/NWN2 you could set it so that either only the host can pause, or everyone can pause. Yeah they might get in each other's way in the second scenario, but it's not a big deal at all.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 09:12
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filaminstrel wrote...
Dick Delaware wrote...
I've heard that the OC was terrible, but the toolset was good and it has plently of good mods. Anyways, with multiplayer, I never play co-op and only like playing against people, so I'm a little curious as to what the appeal is.
Playing through the campaign with a friend can be fun.The real-time with pause aspect causes problems. How would you implement this in a co-op scenario? If a game is turn-based or fully real-time it's not a problem since you either have stops between every turn or just fluid action all throughout, respectively, but in real-time with pause where the player can control the pace more, wouldn't players get in each other's way?
In NWN/NWN2 you could set it so that either only the host can pause, or everyone can pause. Yeah they might get in each other's way in the second scenario, but it's not a big deal at all.
Except on the harder difficulties I like to pause every two seconds to issue orders, drop my aoe stuff, etc.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 09:17
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I do too, but I can manage without constant pausing well enough when there's someone else in game.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 09:25
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Dragon Age 2 doesn't need some multiplayer mode added on just for the sake of having a multiplayer, adding multiplayer would probably decrease the quality of single player as well.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 09:28
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Majin Paul wrote...
Dragon Age 2 doesn't need some multiplayer mode added on just for the sake of having a multiplayer, adding multiplayer would probably decrease the quality of single player as well.
That and the multiplayer will probably also come off as half-arsed.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 10:16
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Dick Delaware wrote...
I've heard that the OC was terrible, but the toolset was good and it has plently of good mods. Anyways, with multiplayer, I never play co-op and only like playing against people, so I'm a little curious as to what the appeal is.
Nah, I really enjoyed it. Look at it this way, if I'm not enjoying a 20 hour long game I won't finish it. NWN is 60 hours long. I definitly think it would be more fun it co-op and as a singleplayer game it had some interesting design decsions, but it was still a good plot. Awful ending though.
The real-time with pause aspect causes problems. How would you implement this in a co-op scenario? If a game is turn-based or fully real-time it's not a problem since you either have stops between every turn or just fluid action all throughout, respectively, but in real-time with pause where the player can control the pace more, wouldn't players get in each other's way?
Yeah I actually thought of that even as I was posting about NWN. NWN did it by slowing the pace of combat to a crawl so that you didn't have to pause. Bear in mind you wouldn't need to pause the combat as much if you only had control of one character, but you'd still need to slow down the combat and that what either cause the single player campaign to suffer or you'd need 2 different game speeds for different modes... ugh it's making my head hurt just thinking about it.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 10:20
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being online I don't think it's the greatest idea. But doing something similar to fable 3 is doing, where your friend can import his character and become your companion, yet is helping you on Your story and not really progressing on his own seems like a neat idea to me.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 10:29
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Don't worry pro-multiplayer fans, if TOR breaks through (and it will), it is inevitable that BioWare will take their multiplayer dialog system to other games.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 10:57
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Please no. There are so few games out there that focus exclusively or even extensively on single player campaigns nowadays. I hate going online. I game to get away from the stress of dealing with people all day long (I'm in retail/customer service). You have your Halos and your Call of Duties for multiplayer. Leave DA for the single player fans.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 11:01
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Nithrakis Arcanius wrote...
Not if coop negatively affects the story campaign. However, I would love for BioWare to develop another game like NWN1, with a DM client and full multiplayer support.
NWN1 was truly a revolutionary game.
I hear you. Although, the single player part was such a dissapointment after BG2. I was just like...
"Is this it?"Then all the servers with PW's started popping up and I was hooked.
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Posté 20 juillet 2010 - 05:02
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online co op with friends would be cool
#43
Posté 20 juillet 2010 - 11:49
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Yes, BG's spiritual successor would greatly benefit from co-op, which BG/BG II had by the way.
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Posté 21 juillet 2010 - 04:53
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Neverwinter Nights.
Yes, it would be a good idea.
Yes, it would be a good idea.
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Posté 21 juillet 2010 - 05:09
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Meh. Wouldn't use it myself. If Bio thinks they can get enough additional revenue from MP to pay for adding the feature, then it doesn't bother me if they add it.
But if they thought that, wouldn't they have already put MP in?
But if they thought that, wouldn't they have already put MP in?
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Posté 21 juillet 2010 - 05:10
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I suppose if push came to shove via popular demand, they could add a DLC quest which facilitated an online multiplayer function...
But to create an entire game around the MP function would only take away from aspects (such as personalisation, and the independance of making decisions) which made DA:O so great. Furthermore I think this can only be fully realised through being a single player game...
But to create an entire game around the MP function would only take away from aspects (such as personalisation, and the independance of making decisions) which made DA:O so great. Furthermore I think this can only be fully realised through being a single player game...
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Posté 21 juillet 2010 - 05:27
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We haven't played DA2 yet, of course, but from what we know, I think DAO was more suitable to making a co-op game than DA2. The reason is that in DA2, you play a human refugee named Hawke.
On the other hand, there were 6 or 7 different characters you could play as (6 Origins, but Mage had a human and an elf with different names). The impression I got was that all of them "existed" to some extent in the world, but who survived and became a hero was based on where Duncan went before going on to Ostagar. So if they had chosen to make DAO co-op, it could easily have made sense in the story as long as the players picked different Origins - Duncan goes to two places recruiting before going to Ostagar. But I only really play single player, so I was happy with the decision to focus on the single player game.
On the other hand, there were 6 or 7 different characters you could play as (6 Origins, but Mage had a human and an elf with different names). The impression I got was that all of them "existed" to some extent in the world, but who survived and became a hero was based on where Duncan went before going on to Ostagar. So if they had chosen to make DAO co-op, it could easily have made sense in the story as long as the players picked different Origins - Duncan goes to two places recruiting before going to Ostagar. But I only really play single player, so I was happy with the decision to focus on the single player game.
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Posté 21 juillet 2010 - 05:34
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God no. Frell co-op, in fact frell any sort of multiplayer onlineness for the game. If I want to play with others Ill play WoW, otherwise let me have some epic soloness. Aint no room in mah BeardHawkes epic rise to power for another player.
