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[tmelange]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

GreyWarden36 wrote...

so can darskpawns get overweight???like obesitity

By the way - yes... So, while they don't need to eat, they can eat. Do they digest food and get fatter? 

factories are expanded with time to increase production rate, consider "becoming fatter" as becoming more productive

Your average fat ogre is no more productive than a slim one. Even less - he will often stop to take a break, will fart a lot etc., and overall will be less effective in combat.

P.S. I they were animated dead they won't die of lethal injuries like dagger in the heart. Yet look at ogre that Duncan killed. Doesn't look undead to me.

Read from the beginning of this thread. Gaider said darkspawn are dead. They don't need to eat. They are not alive. Hence, animated dead.

[joriandrake]

Tirigon wrote...

tmelange wrote...

I agree. But it makes me wonder how to classify what happened to the Architect. Some people argued with me that the development of heightened intelligence was a evolution that all darkspawn had a right to experience. I felt it was a fluke. LOL

The Architect wonders that, too. He is tempted to turn Gaider in a ghoul and force him to explain:devil:


Seriously though, I hope the Architect story is expanded, either in a new game or in another novel.

Unfortunately this is unlikely considering a possible ending in Awakening.

In Mass Effect 1 you may have saved the whole race of the Rachni, or let them go extinct, this decision gets followed up in ME2 and ME3, aslong decisions from Dragon Age carry over to new installments it could still effect the game the same way

[Galatean]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

Huh, so the Broodmother is, technically, a ghoul.  I suppose that may explain how whatshisface screwed up with the Mother.

Question, though.  Most ghouls die horrible, horrible deaths typically a few months after being tainted.  Every tainted creature--blight wolves, bereskarn, etc.  Especially humans.

However, there seem to be some...well, exceptions.  Corrupted Spiders, for example, are tainted.  Corrupted.  Whatever.  They, however, do not seem to worship the darkspawn or the Archdemon the way other ghouls do.  Heck, the corrupted spiders feed heavily on the darkspawn, to the point where when the darkspawn go on the Blight, the large population not only didn't leave with them, but they started starving because their main food source disappeared.

Then there are other circumstances where some will survive the taint for significantly longer.  Your friend from the Dailish Origin, for instance.  The Broodmothers, for another.

I mean, is there a point where if you become *too* tainted your body simply gives up and accepts it instead of fighting it until your death?

The way I see it, when you compare what lives how long after the taint, survival time has an inverse relationship with the creature's intelligence.

So, a human/other sapient humaniod would die pretty sharpish after consuming raw taint(like raw darkspawn blood/flesh, etc.). An mammal like a bear/wolf/etc. would last longer, and finally creatures that have instincts and no more, like nsects, arachnidae, etc. would last the longest.

Now we know the taint that Wardens consume has been modified by, among other things, adding a drop of Archdemon* blood. So it's quite possible that the process of creating Broodmothers also involves some unmentioned preparation of the darkspawn meat before the force-feeding commences, hence the not-dying aspect.

*The Archdemons are ghouls, by the descriptions given. So already the Wardens taint is fundamentally different, being partially caused by a ghoul.

[joriandrake]

tmelange wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

GreyWarden36 wrote...

so can darskpawns get overweight???like obesitity

By the way - yes... So, while they don't need to eat, they can eat. Do they digest food and get fatter? 

factories are expanded with time to increase production rate, consider "becoming fatter" as becoming more productive

Your average fat ogre is no more productive than a slim one. Even less - he will often stop to take a break, will fart a lot etc., and overall will be less effective in combat.

P.S. I they were animated dead they won't die of lethal injuries like dagger in the heart. Yet look at ogre that Duncan killed. Doesn't look undead to me.

Read from the beginning of this thread. Gaider said darkspawn are dead. They don't need to eat. They are not alive. Hence, animated dead.

they aren't animated dead neither, more like a virus

[Lord Gremlin]

tmelange wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

GreyWarden36 wrote...

so can darskpawns get overweight???like obesitity

By the way - yes... So, while they don't need to eat, they can eat. Do they digest food and get fatter? 

factories are expanded with time to increase production rate, consider "becoming fatter" as becoming more productive

Your average fat ogre is no more productive than a slim one. Even less - he will often stop to take a break, will fart a lot etc., and overall will be less effective in combat.

P.S. I they were animated dead they won't die of lethal injuries like dagger in the heart. Yet look at ogre that Duncan killed. Doesn't look undead to me.

Read from the beginning of this thread. Gaider said darkspawn are dead. They don't need to eat. They are not alive. Hence, animated dead.

Actually, Gaider left this question unanswered - "That's an excellent question, if perhaps an academic one". Sure, he likes teasing us. I hope DA2 will have some answers.
A creature neither living, nor dead, but purely evil.

[tmelange]

joriandrake wrote...

tmelange wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

GreyWarden36 wrote...

so can darskpawns get overweight???like obesitity

By the way - yes... So, while they don't need to eat, they can eat. Do they digest food and get fatter? 

factories are expanded with time to increase production rate, consider "becoming fatter" as becoming more productive

Your average fat ogre is no more productive than a slim one. Even less - he will often stop to take a break, will fart a lot etc., and overall will be less effective in combat.

P.S. I they were animated dead they won't die of lethal injuries like dagger in the heart. Yet look at ogre that Duncan killed. Doesn't look undead to me.

Read from the beginning of this thread. Gaider said darkspawn are dead. They don't need to eat. They are not alive. Hence, animated dead.

they aren't animated dead neither, more like a virus

Why would you say a virus rather than animated dead? Or say dead animated by a magical blood virus? LOL

Modifié par tmelange, 18 juillet 2010 - 11:24 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

I'm suddenly getting an appetite after a whole day of having none (it's 1:26 AM already now), so thank you for that, David.

I've always been curious about ogres having horns and qunari apparently not having anything of the sort, though. The recent timeline of Thedas article on Game Informer seems to imply that they actually did have them at some point. Any chance you could clear this up, oh wise one?

6:30 Steel Age: Whispers reached the lands of Thedas that strange men had arrived in the northern jungle islands of the Boeric Ocean, tall men with horns and ships that fired thunder. These men called themselves “qunari”, and invaded the mainland in a great wave that took humanity by surprise.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 18 juillet 2010 - 11:26 .

[Tirigon]

joriandrake wrote...


while this may have been a joke it is close to truth I think, except that a broodmother will always create the darkspawn that is "chained" to its own race, like a dwarven broodmother will always create only Genlocks

Broodmothers are like Ant Queens in this perspective

All jokes hold a grain of truth.
I was imagining the description of broodmothers if Darkspawn were a race in an RTS game. It would be something like I posted. Ironically, except for the 4 different tiers I believe it´s quite possible just like that.

[lv12medic]

Hmm... speaking of viruses... Can Darkspawn get sick? They don't get sick from the taint cause they are the taint, but can they catch like a common cold (or a darkspawn equivalent)?

[Lord Gremlin]

Look, this reminds me of Valve's Left 4 Dead 2. They have those common infected there - they're alive people, infected by virus. They don't eat, don't sleep and this infection still keep them alive. They may have horrid injuries but unless vital organs like heart/lungs/brain are damaged they still stay alive.



So who stole whose idea?

[Zalocx]

tmelange wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

tmelange wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

GreyWarden36 wrote...

so can darskpawns get overweight???like obesitity

By the way - yes... So, while they don't need to eat, they can eat. Do they digest food and get fatter? 

factories are expanded with time to increase production rate, consider "becoming fatter" as becoming more productive

Your average fat ogre is no more productive than a slim one. Even less - he will often stop to take a break, will fart a lot etc., and overall will be less effective in combat.

P.S. I they were animated dead they won't die of lethal injuries like dagger in the heart. Yet look at ogre that Duncan killed. Doesn't look undead to me.

Read from the beginning of this thread. Gaider said darkspawn are dead. They don't need to eat. They are not alive. Hence, animated dead.

they aren't animated dead neither, more like a virus

Why would you say a virus rather than animated dead? Or say dead animated by a magical blood virus? LOL

Well to be dead one has to have lived previously. Robots are not alive, but one would not call them "dead". Darkspawn from what David said are simply "created" by Broodmothers and don't need to eat or procreate. Automaton is alot more fitting than animated dead

[joriandrake]

tmelange wrote...

Why would you say a virus rather than animated dead?

a virus can mutate/evolve while not being considered as a real lifeform, still, noone would ever call a viirus "undead", thus I think "virus" may be one of the best words to describe darkspawn

[Tirigon]

LfD is different. These are zombies; if only you can compare them to ghouls. Gaider made clear that Darkspawn can´t be created on any other way than via Broodmothers.

[Lord Gremlin]

joriandrake wrote...

tmelange wrote...

Why would you say a virus rather than animated dead?

a virus can mutate/evolve while not being considered as a real lifeform, still, noone would ever call a viirus "undead", thus I think "virus" may be one of the best words to describe darkspawn

Left 4 Dead 2's story here. God, all videogames have something in common.

[joriandrake]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

tmelange wrote...

Why would you say a virus rather than animated dead?

a virus can mutate/evolve while not being considered as a real lifeform, still, noone would ever call a viirus "undead", thus I think "virus" may be one of the best words to describe darkspawn

Left 4 Dead 2's story here. God, all videogames have something in common.

every fantasy/scifi/myth/legend is based on something real, using virus like this wouldn't be a surprise, nor can anyone complain about copying this, as in just because you can use a bow and arrows in one game doesn't make the other game copying it despite having the same option

Modifié par joriandrake, 18 juillet 2010 - 11:34 .

[Tirigon]

Speaking of artificially created monsters...



A Weylan-Yutani combat android. Am I the only one seeing similarities to Darkspawn?

[joriandrake]

I just thought, if Darkspawn make Blights to swarm the lands and capture/kill people so their own ranks can grow and make new broodmothers, why would they want to do so in the first place?

It may be because their numbers get low by something.

What would make the numbers of darkspawn less except Grey Wardens and dwarves?

I can't think of anything, it may be an unknown underground threat that is in a secret war with darkspawn since ages

If this is true, then maybe darkspawn are not evil as you would think first, but may use the ideas of grey Wardens themself: "fight/defend by all means possible"

If we go really far-fetched with this idea we could think that darkspawn were created in the first place to defend the world from that unknown enemy in the deep by mages who believed that the threat the darkspawn would become to the world is far less than what the secret enemy could do to it

This would explain why darkspawn are not always on the surface of the world and go back underground for decades/centuries, they get enough materials to replenish their ranks and focus once again on their hidden enemy

Modifié par joriandrake, 18 juillet 2010 - 11:43 .

[darkiddd]

joriandrake wrote...

I just thought, if Darkspawn make Blights to swarm the lands and capture/kill people so their own ranks can grow and make new broodmothers, why would they want to do so in the first place?

It may be because their numbers get low by something.

What would make the numbers of darkspawn less except Grey Wardens and dwarves?

I can't think of anything, it may be an unknown underground threat that is in a secret war with darkspawn since ages

If this is true, then maybe darkspawn are not evil as you would think first, but may use the ideas of grey Wardens themself: "fight/defend by all means possible"

If we go really far-fetched with this idea we could think that darkspawn were created in the first place to defend the world from that unknown enemy in the deep by mages who believed that the threat the darkspawn would become to the world is far less than what the secret enemy could do to it

This would explain why darkspawn are not always on the surface of the world and go back underground for decades/centuries, they get enough materials to replenish their ranks and focus once again on their hidden enemy

Man... darkspawn swarm lands because they want to destroy everything and in that process they capture women to turn them into broodmothers and make more darkspawn to destroy more and more... that's all.
You know, one of the things you learn very quickly playing DA is that darkspawn are not precisely extinguishing.... Saying their numbers are gradually getting low is not very coherent, In fact I'd say that is the opposite.  

[tmelange]

Zalocx wrote...

Well to be dead one has to have lived previously. Robots are not alive, but one would not call them "dead". Darkspawn from what David said are simply "created" by Broodmothers and don't need to eat or procreate. Automaton is alot more fitting than animated dead

Hmm, I do think you're right. I suppose one must have been alive at one point to now be dead. LOL However, an alternate definition of "dead" is "devoid of living things" and I think that's more relevant than "automation" which implies mechanichal animation. I do think darkspawn seem more like zombies than robots. I think blood can be considered a biological agent, which can perhaps take you out of the realm of mechanical processes, even though darkspawn are never alive.

[AbounI]

So David has told that darkspawns do not feel the need to eat.
But in the Stolen Throne, chapter 14, before Maric has found his sword, there are some interesting lines concerning that subject.The book described something (perhaps dead spiders) that has been eaten by something.Do the spiders eat dead spiders?Cannibal spiders?
"Peut être que ce qui les a mangées ne se préocuppait pas de ce qu'il mangeait", said Rowan
possible translation: "perhaps that what did eat them didn't mind about what they eat"
sorry, cannot give you the exact lines, because my book is a french one, so not only my own french to english translation will be exact, but also the true number of those pages I am refering to.

so here it some entries that let me think the darkspawn probably feel the need to eat

Modifié par AbounI, 19 juillet 2010 - 12:44 .

[orpheus333]