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Rubbish Hero wrote...

Suron wrote....DLC COSTS MONEY TO MAKE..they have to recoup it somehow or...why would they do it? Devs aren't "modders"..they don't just do it for the sake of it....they have to make money...


Valve do it all the time, if you added up the amount of Team Fortress 2 content released since it's release day, in Call Of Duty terms it would probably amount to the cost of one, two or even three full games. Likewise with Left4dead, and left4dead 2, pc content, costs nothing.  In fact, tomorow, Valve are releasing a full free game, for nothing.

www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php


You're going to try to compare the Ruse Free Weekend to giving away content for free?

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Bryy_Miller wrote...You're going to try to compare the Ruse Free Weekend to giving away content for free?


www.thebitbag.com/2010/07/18/valve-releases-source-enhanced-alien-swarm-for-free-tomorrow/

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Prosthetics511 wrote...

As for the DLC, I think they should take on more of a Bethesda tactic in fallout 3 that actually adds about 5 hours of gameplay, not 30 minutes.  Actually make it worth the money.


The problem is, there is about as much effort put into that "30 minutes" of gameplay as there is the 6 hours for a FO3 DLC; the DA Toolset is not the GECK (I've used both and find I like the DA toolset better).

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Rubbish Hero wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...You're going to try to compare the Ruse Free Weekend to giving away content for free?


www.thebitbag.com/2010/07/18/valve-releases-source-enhanced-alien-swarm-for-free-tomorrow/


Ah. Well, that's still not a smoking gun.

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Bryy_Miller wrote... Ah. Well, that's still not a smoking gun.


Please explain.

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That doesn't have any relevance to the current topic. Valve, as Suron has stated, is not BioWare, nor is it EA.

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My thoughts on DLC are mixed. For the most part I tend to either buy only what are meaninful expansions for the game, or in the case of micro-packs to support a publisher/project and hopefully encourage more games of a sort that I like. There are exceptions but that's the general principle of the thing.



I've actually wound up buying TWO copies of everything for "Dragon Age: Origins" between the PC and my rarely-played 360 version, largely because I'm a huge RPG fan and wanted to support what I see as the development of serious RPGs.



I purchused the Mass Effect 2 DLC, as support for Bioware because I feel any company can make a mistake time and again.



I've also purchused a lot of DLC for various JRPGs from small companies in hopes that it will get them to release more in the US.



Truthfully though I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that purchusing DLC is becoming counter productive because paying for it doesn't lead to more quality work, but actually seems to be encouraging more and more low-quality money grabs.



See, to me an expansion pack *should* include a substantial amount of content for the game, for a fraction of the price due to the fact that it's typically using assets from the main game itself. I look at some of the first expansions: "Forge Of Virtue" and "The Silver Seed" for Ultima 7/pt 2 as a sort of guideline for what expansions should be. Today it seems we're increasingly seeing people demanding $10-$15 for content that only gives a couple of hours of play time. The few full sized expansion packs that have been released retail for almost the same price as a whole new game. This is to say nothing of packs that include minimal content like an item or three which I have mostly seen as more akin to giving a donation to a company to encourage development than actually buying something.



With DLC being developed alongside the games themselves, it is also increasingly becoming a situation where it's not so much "additional" content as much as an extra fee for part of the product. The design processes seemingly including desicians on what bits can be broken off of a main game and sold seperatly right from the beginning.



This is to say nothing of some of the JRPGs out there where while at one point I'd buy some of these packs due to the fact that I felt I was supporting relatively obscure companies releasing a niche product. Today it's increasingly seeming that those packs are needed to really play/enjoy the game, doing things like taking a grind-heavy genere, increasing it to the umpteenth dimension, and then charging money for stuff that simply allows you to reduce the grinding back down to a relatively normal level....



These are general sentiments. I have no real issue with the basic idea of DLC but I think it's getting out of control. A matter of what started as a nice idea to be able to expand a game and increase play value quickly and cheaply, or donate to a favorite company for a couple of perks, being tainted by increasingly greedy and corperate mentalities into a vampire-like cash grab. I'm a capitolist, and understand game companies are out to make money, however I think there is a differance between making a profit and pushing the exploitation of your customers as far as they can bear.



Bioware is NOT the worst offender when it comes to DLC (far from it), however I do confess to some wariness about how much DLC is doubtlessly being already planned for "Dragon Age 2". Also while they might not be the worst offenders overall, I do tend to think that the DLC advertisement put into your camp in "Origins" showed a complete lack of class and good taste.










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I got the collector's edition when I originally bought the game so Stone Prisoner and Warden's keep were part of the deal. I like DLC. New toys, stories, weapons, armor, etc. are always welcome here and I think the price is cheap compared to the cost of the original game.



That being said, I have to wait now until my paypal account initializes before I can download the rest of it for Origins and get Awakenings, but that should happen sometime next week at the latest.



NEW TOYS!!

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Bryy_Miller wrote...

That doesn't have any relevance to the current topic. Valve, as Suron has stated, is not BioWare, nor is it EA.


Goddamn Gabe Newell. "Big suprise at E3. Oh look Portal 2 for the PS3." **** your **** Gabe. Where's episode 3?

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Well Valve isn't too bad it does well through steam with like L4d.

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Bryy_Miller wrote...Valve, as Suron has stated, is not BioWare, nor is it EA.


It completely pertains to my point a few pages back as well as the topic at hand. You still haven't explained "the smocking gun" comment. Why does it not make Valve on of the few decent companies around when it  comes to customer service?

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 19 juillet 2010 - 02:30 .


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Rubbish Hero wrote...

Why does it not make Valve on of the few decent companies around when it  comes to customer service?


Valve's customer service does not matter in the context of a completely different company.

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It was a comparison, you scrutinized the link and then the game incorrectly in the comparison and then made claim it was "No smoking gun" so, regardless of wither you believe it doesn't need to be compared, you
still took it up and made an argument on it.  You still haven't  explained the "smoking gun" comment regarding Valve's free game. What exactly did you mean by this? Actually, I don't care as I don't like you either, go away.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 19 juillet 2010 - 02:37 .


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Rubbish Hero wrote...


It was a comparison, you scrutinized the link and then the game incorrectly in the comparison and then made claim it was "No smoking gun" so, regardless of wither you believe it doesn't need to be compared, you
still took it up and made an argument on it.  You still haven't  explained the "smoking gun" comment regarding Valve's free game. What exactly did you mean by this? Actually, I don't care as I don't like you either, go away.


Dude. I was just replying to a ridiculous thing you said. I thought you were comparing a game you have to pay for to a free trial. Completely different things. Then you corrected me, so I adjusted my position within the confines of what you were talking about. And I explained what I meant by the smoking gun remark twice. Or do yo just not know what that phrase means? 

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Valve also are video game distributer, they can afford to do stff like this as it works as a promotion for Steam

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To pre-order a game you never played, that is a leap of faith, developer says thanks by giving a little gift. So they put extra effort in to make the DLC. Others have the luxury to read reviews or wait till when the game is on sale. Or buy another game altogether that just got the hype of the century.

Modifié par Gaxhung, 19 juillet 2010 - 02:56 .


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you guys have to remember the cerberus network for mass effect 2 that they have pump out alot of dlc like the firewalker which was released not to long ago and others so dont jump to conclusions that DA2 will be all paid dlc they might put in a dragon age network where they pump out new dlc every month for a thanks

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I love Bioware and their games, but when it comes to pre-order bonuses and DLC, they really **** up.



It seems to be the new trend since Mass Effect 1.



New game comes out.

Love Bioware

Announce DLC

Still Love Bioware

Announce Price

Bioware, what the **** are you doing?



Rinse, wash, repeat.

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I know that in World at War's case they hired a seperate team to do the DLC (and thus fired them before the last two planned packs were made). I have not checked the credits of DA:O and ME 2 to make comparisons but I would not be surprised if they were handled independently of the main teams as the composers for ME 2 said they did not work on Overlord for instance.




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And don't even get me started on the Blood Dragon Armors.




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Monstruo696 wrote...

And don't even get me started on the Blood Dragon Armors.


It is free with any new copy, and if by chance you have a 2nd hand copy the content is optional.  I don't see the problem.

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yeah i suggest we boycott dlcs , sell us real expansions or go to hell . Dragon armors , collectors armor , all mass effect head gear was only available though dlcs or some special offers . Also you would start the game with ridiculously overpowered items , this is really not a spirit of rgp . Also all dlcs are poorly integrated into the game and ruin the mood .

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DespiertaLosNinos wrote...

Monstruo696 wrote...

And don't even get me started on the Blood Dragon Armors.


It is free with any new copy, and if by chance you have a 2nd hand copy the content is optional.  I don't see the problem.


The problem is/was:

Low Quality Textures
Reused Models
Tacky Glowing Bits

It doesn't matter if free **** is free, it's still ****.

Just like the Ostagar DLC Armor.  They charged $5 for a suit of armor that was already in-game, a few voiced lines, and some "extra content".

Modifié par Monstruo696, 19 juillet 2010 - 03:29 .


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Monstruo696 wrote...

DespiertaLosNinos wrote...

Monstruo696 wrote...

And don't even get me started on the Blood Dragon Armors.


It is free with any new copy, and if by chance you have a 2nd hand copy the content is optional.  I don't see the problem.


The problem is/was:

Low Quality Textures
Reused Models
Tacky Glowing Bits

It doesn't matter if free **** is free, it's still ****.

Just like the Ostagar DLC Armor.  They charged $5 for a suit of armor that was already in-game, a few voiced lines, and some "extra content".


Ignoring RTO, I still don't quite understand the problem with the Dragon Armor.  You didn't like it, I get that, but you would have been happier if they didn't include it? I'm honistly asking.

You said its ****, but isn't the inclusion of a ****ty looking piece of armor better than nothing?  Stat wise I thought the armor was decent.

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DespiertaLosNinos wrote...

Monstruo696 wrote...

DespiertaLosNinos wrote...

Monstruo696 wrote...

And don't even get me started on the Blood Dragon Armors.


It is free with any new copy, and if by chance you have a 2nd hand copy the content is optional.  I don't see the problem.


The problem is/was:

Low Quality Textures
Reused Models
Tacky Glowing Bits

It doesn't matter if free **** is free, it's still ****.

Just like the Ostagar DLC Armor.  They charged $5 for a suit of armor that was already in-game, a few voiced lines, and some "extra content".


Ignoring RTO, I still don't quite understand the problem with the Dragon Armor.  You didn't like it, I get that, but you would have been happier if they didn't include it? I'm honistly asking.

You said its ****, but isn't the inclusion of a ****ty looking piece of armor better than nothing?  Stat wise I thought the armor was decent.


Yes.

It's marketing thing, you wouldn't understand.