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[DPB]

PaddyMaxson wrote...

Well, while I'm pretty ok with buying DLC (I have ostagar, prisoner and warden's keep). I remember Bioware adding bonus content to Neverinwter Nights for FREE. It was kind of the way things were done in the old days, you got bonus content for free (unless it was a full expansion, which was usually at minimum half the length of the main game). So You'll excuse me if I AM a little sore about it. That said I enjoyed stone Prisoner, and warden's keep, and return to Ostagar (take wynne and alistair to ostagar, it's lol worthy)

They released some tilesets and creatures in the NWN patches, but the equivalent of DLC, the Premium Modules, were not free. Bioware charging for extra playable content is nothing new.

Modifié par dbankier, 19 juillet 2010 - 05:58 .

[Cancermeat]

Isn't it a little bit too soon to talk about DLC, there hasn't even been a trailer for christs sake?

[Fantazm1978]

Most of the stuff so far ends up being about £3-£4.



I can barely buy a pint of lager for that these days and they don't last me anywhere near as long, so I'm not gonna moan about the cost.



The random bloke standing in your camp was a bad move though. Way too blatant, much better to just have a note/email/message/etc about it that you can ignore.

[Chairon de Celeste]

what I'd lile to see for DA2 is dlc wich deaws me in
- total conversions get a bit old and shopping
for feastday gifts is as 'interesting' as watching
Hawke sit around painting his / her toenails
(thanks to David Gaider  I'll never get this image
out of my head again ).

No matter if integrated or not.

Maybe something wich teaches us safety and
normality are mere illusions if we just consume
them instead of earning them.

[element eater]

random bloke was realy a low blow very cheap, unless you put an option in to kill him if u dont want the dlc

the existance of DLC is fine tho if u like it buy if not leave it.
i got the ME2 stuff cus i thought it was good but i left DA after i saw it on my friends comp and it looked pretty poor alround

[Itkovian]

I think people need to calm down a little about DLC.



Additional content for a game is nothing new. Expansions have existed forever. The difference is that digital distribution has made the creation of smaller additional content that does not need to be printed, packaged, and shipped.



This does _not_ imply that game designers and publishers are intentionally making incomplete games or removing already-made content from the game just so they can sell it as DLC.



It's a nice conspiracy theory, but quite frankly Bioware proves that it is certainly not why DLC exists. The Mass Effect games and DAO are very clearly complete games with tremendous content in the original package.



It's additional content, and as such must be purchased. It does not somehow make the original game incomplete (much like Rocky II didn't make Rocky I incomplete *grin*).



Itkovian

[Monstruo696]

Itkovian wrote...

I think people need to calm down a little about DLC.

Additional content for a game is nothing new. Expansions have existed forever. The difference is that digital distribution has made the creation of smaller additional content that does not need to be printed, packaged, and shipped.

This does _not_ imply that game designers and publishers are intentionally making incomplete games or removing already-made content from the game just so they can sell it as DLC.

It's a nice conspiracy theory, but quite frankly Bioware proves that it is certainly not why DLC exists. The Mass Effect games and DAO are very clearly complete games with tremendous content in the original package.

It's additional content, and as such must be purchased. It does not somehow make the original game incomplete (much like Rocky II didn't make Rocky I incomplete *grin*).

Itkovian

That's being naive.

1.  Instead of working on a new game, why are they adding bits and pieces to the old one with skewed gameplay:price ratios?  Take RTO for example, $5 for 1-1.5 hours of gameplay and some voicework.  The game itself was around 50 hours (if you did not skip conversations and did ABSOLUTELY everything), that's a 1:1 ratio compared to RTO's 1:5 ratio.  

2.  You can't compare movies to games, and even if you could, the analogy itself is stupid.  Rocky II is a whole movie, not 5 minutes extra of Rock I. (TL;DR Baldurs Gate is to Baldurs Gate II what Rocky is to Rocky II)

3.  It's not a conspiracy, it's simple marketing.  Do the whole world a favor and take a marketing/economy class in your local community college.

Modifié par Monstruo696, 20 juillet 2010 - 08:37 .

[SkittlesKat96]

A lot of the DLC was made after EA decided they had to stop making the game and needed to release it. Shale was supposed to come WITH dragon age. I think the game had enough content to keep me happy anyway.

[RetrOldSchool]

I like the concept of DLC in general since it adds more to the games. Adds is the key word, because DA:O was a complete game. DA:O itself features 40-100 hours of gameplay so I definitely think everyone should consider it a full game.

I do however still not buy every single piece of DLC for a game I love, I check reviews and buy the DLC I think will be worth it.

I didnt buy Pinnacle Station for ME and I'm not buying Darkspawn Chronicles for DA:O, simply because neither seem to be worth it, from reading comments and reviews.

However I did buy WK, RtO, Awakening and LS. And I didn't feel cheated because I had already read comments and reviews so I knew what to expect and I bought the DLC with that in mind.

When it comes to pricing I feel BW is not the worst but not the best either. I consider the best DLC, in comparisson to what you get for the money, to be the F3 DLC and the GtA episodes. For instance Point Lookout DLC for F3 costed 800 MSpoints and it featured ~5 hours of gameplay, multiple quests, NPC and a new town/village.

[Arttis]

Quick bump cause spam...if I am doing anything wrong someone notify me...

[renatsdale]

I don't mind buying if it's dowloadable outside the game, in a format that I can store indefnitly, in the way I want and not having to rely on an outside server every time I want to re-install it.

Make it registerable with on-line activation after intalling or such, but give me the feeling that I've actually bought something.

Modifié par renatsdale, 20 juillet 2010 - 05:57 .

[Monstruo696]

I swear to god the gaming industry would collapse unto itself if the consumers had two fingers in front of them and some basic economy and marketing under their belt.

Whatever, keep feeding the cancer.

renatsdale wrote...

I don't mind buying if it's dowloadable outside the game, in a format that I can store indefnitly, in the way I want and not having to rely on an outside server every time I want to re-install it.

Make it registerable with on-line activation after intalling or such, but give me the feeling that I've actually bought something.

You want, what?  A complementary certificate of authentication? It's called DLC for a reason.

I don't approve of most DLC, but this is just silly when most of the DLC doesn't go over 100mb, much less the need for a CD.

If it bothers you so much, burn the DLC data into a CD and stick the CD in your Dragon Age case, problem solved.  You will never have need of downloading off the internet again.

Modifié par Monstruo696, 20 juillet 2010 - 06:07 .

[I saved Star Wars :D]

"HI, I'd like a Big Mac meal."

-"Certanly sir, coming right up."

"Woah. What the hell is this? You sell McFlurrys?"

-"Yes sir, would you like one?"

"No I would not. What exactly do you think you are playing at? I ordered a meal."

-"Yes Sir, however we also sell..."

"But I paid for a meal! Surely that means I get everything you sell on the menu?"

-"No sir, we sell lots of different items to accompany your meal......"

"This is an outrage! It's all some fiendish plot to get me to spend more money."



Actually, the last bit is true. If you think that is a bad thing, don't ever start a business. Or work in Finance. Or work in Sales. Or watch adverts on TV. Or buy a new tie with your new shirt. Or got to MacDonalds.



Or buy DLC.

[Monstruo696]

Daveyboy154 wrote...

"HI, I'd like a Big Mac meal."
-"Certanly sir, coming right up."
"Woah. What the hell is this? You sell McFlurrys?"
-"Yes sir, would you like one?"
"No I would not. What exactly do you think you are playing at? I ordered a meal."
-"Yes Sir, however we also sell..."
"But I paid for a meal! Surely that means I get everything you sell on the menu?"
-"No sir, we sell lots of different items to accompany your meal......"
"This is an outrage! It's all some fiendish plot to get me to spend more money."

Actually, the last bit is true. If you think that is a bad thing, don't ever start a business. Or work in Finance. Or work in Sales. Or watch adverts on TV. Or buy a new tie with your new shirt. Or got to MacDonalds.

Or buy DLC.

What is it with people and *bad* (Edited before I get a ban for hurting someone's feelings) analogies?

DLC would be more like:

Extra cheese on your burger
Sesame seeds on your bun
An extra patty
An angus beef patty
etc. etc. etc.

And expansion would be more like:

Fries
Apple Pie
Side-Salad
Soup
Macaroni and Cheese
etc. etc. etc.

A McFlurry is a whole item on it's own.  A McFlurry and Burger is to McDonalds what Mass Effect and Dragon Age is to Bioware.

You can't come up with a basic analogy, yet you think you know what you're talking about?

Here's another example:



EDIT:  Also god forbid I start a business and get my sales through actually pleasing my consumer base rather than trying to scam them out of their money one time and hope they forgive and forget, only so I can do it again.

Modifié par Monstruo696, 20 juillet 2010 - 06:32 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

People complaining about a 5-10$ price tag has got too little content in their lives......

[I saved Star Wars :D]

Nice picture, Monstruo. I would have struggled to understand without it.

My analogy is fine, you are being far too literal if you want to debate whether extra cheese represents DLC or not.

My point, very simply, is that DAO is a complete product as it is. Bioware are perfectly free to make and sell extra things to add to the product. I notice that you have not chosen to disagree with the logic of what i am saying, you have just been a bit silly about extra patties etc.

However, I will happily play along if it saves you from needing to draw more pictures. If you think that ordering an extra pattie should cost more, then we are in agreement. If not, then there isn't a lot of point in us talking, as only one of us lives in the real world.

Edit - just noticed your edit. We aren't talking about whether the DLC pleases customers, in terms of its quality or lack thereof or not. We are talking about whether it is right or wrong in principal. My point is that it is clearly right, in principal.

Modifié par Daveyboy154, 20 juillet 2010 - 07:17 .

[Bryy_Miller]

Monstruo696 wrote...

That is an extremely flawed example. You don't need DLC to enjoy the game.

[2papercuts]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Monstruo696 wrote...

That is an extremely flawed example. You don't need DLC to enjoy the game.

you don't need the rest of the pie to enjoy the piece you already have, so how is it a flawed example?

[Bryy_Miller]

2papercuts wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Monstruo696 wrote...

That is an extremely flawed example. You don't need DLC to enjoy the game.

you don't need the rest of the pie to enjoy the piece you already have, so how is it a flawed example?

Because the picture implies that DLC is required for the completion of the video game. 

[I saved Star Wars :D]

2papercuts wrote...
you don't need the rest of the pie to enjoy the piece you already have, so how is it a flawed example?

I wish I had not even mentioned food.

Because Dragon Age is a pie. The guy in the picture buys a pie. He gets what he asked for.

The waiter offers him a different pie, or a coffee to go with it, or to bring his car from the car park to the front door - or any other type of product or service.  DLC is the other product or service in this case, which like extras at a resaurant must be paid for.

If the guy in the picture refuses, he still has his pie. Exactly as ordered and exactly as paid for.

Modifié par Daveyboy154, 20 juillet 2010 - 07:24 .

[2papercuts]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

2papercuts wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Monstruo696 wrote...

That is an extremely flawed example. You don't need DLC to enjoy the game.

you don't need the rest of the pie to enjoy the piece you already have, so how is it a flawed example?

Because the picture implies that DLC is required for the completion of the video game. 

how he can still eat his piece of pie

[I saved Star Wars :D]

2papercuts wrote...


how he can still eat his piece of pie

Oh dear, we are going in circles here.

The point that Bryy Miller and I are making is that the analogy offered is not good. Maybe he can't eat his pie, I have no idea. As our exact point is that it is a poor analogy, we are going to struggle to continue using it!

[Bryy_Miller]

Here's a better and much more logical way to describe DLC as a waiter:



"Monsueir, would you care for any dessert?"

[Monstruo696]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

People complaining about a 5-10$ price tag has got too little content in their lives......

This is why the U.S. economy is in shambles.

"Oh pfft, it's only $5.
Oh pfft, it's only $5.
Oh pfft, it's only $5.
Oh pfft, it's only $5.
Oh pfft, it's only $5.
Oh pfft, it's only $5.
Oh pfft, it's only $5.

Oh noes, I've into debt"

Gee, I wonder why.

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Here's a better and much more logical way to describe DLC as a waiter:

"Monsueir, would you care for any dessert?"

Enough with the bad analogies.

A dessert isn't an add-on to your steak, it's a whole different menu entry.

Modifié par Monstruo696, 20 juillet 2010 - 07:49 .

[I saved Star Wars :D]

Monstruo696 wrote...

A dessert isn't an add-on to your steak, it's a whole different menu entry.

Right, but it is an add-on to your meal though, no? Seriously, there isn't any point debating the relative merits of food and menus. I was using an abstract analogy to illustrate a point when I mentioned MacDonalds and, frankly, I regret doing so because the ridculous lengths it seems to be taken to.

The fundamental point is that some of us see DLC as extra and, therefore, agree that we should have to pay to purchase it. Others think that it should be included in the game, within the original purchase price.

On that point of principal, we may as well agree to disagree.  However, one thing is absolutely certain - if the latter rule applied then we simply wouldn't get the content because it would not be made.

Maybe everyone would be happy then? Yay. No more content.