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[Bryzon]

If you don't want it or just don't want to spend that kind of money, don't buy it. I for one will buy every DLC, no matter the quality, just because I love this series so much. DA:O alone is easily worth $60. If you want more content, why shouldn't you have to pay for that? Spending your hard earned money really sucks, I know, but as long as you spend it on something you enjoy, what is the problem? Just because you own the original game doesn't mean you're entitled to everything extra they create. I don't see it as being any different from buying expansions every 6 months for MMO's, which I did for a very long time on EQ.

[Monstruo696]

Bryzon wrote...

DA:O alone is easily worth $60.

Stop reading right there.

I'm done here.  I'm obviously fighting an uphill battle with you guys.

Woe is me, etc. etc.

[AlanC9]

Always amusing to see someone storm out in a huff because people dare to disagree with him.

[KalDurenik]

[quote]Okay here's a question for you..are you a coder or a programmer?  Or better yet do you work for Bioware?     If no to both of those questions,  how do you know, how long it takes to make a piece of content for a dlc?    
[/quote] I have seen and used the world editor. Sure i stoped using it because it takes 283749823489234 years to compile a map. And yes there are alot of stupid things in the map editor that make it harder to use then it should be. But these people have used it for the last well whatever years. If they cant handle making the maps in a decent speed... Maybe they should look for another work?

I remember that there was a contest where people got told to make a good map in 24 hours. The maps was overall decent. And these people had never used the toolset before.

[quote]Far as I know ..RTO was not only about the armor and weapons, it was closure on the story about what happened to the King ...and allowed us to exact revenge for that.     I still think it was a fair idea.
[/quote] Sadly it was overall bad and most people that got it got it for the shiny things.

[quote]As for 25-30 minutes...being that everyone was harping that it was only 25 to 30 mins long,  I set a clock beside me and proceeded to play.      First time in, it took me EXACTLY 2 hours and 15 minutes, on the nose.
[/quote]
How? Did you go afk? Did your normal DAO run take 140 hours or what? I have no idea how people can play so slow O.o

[quote]I think dlcs are extra sure, nobody "needs" them.   Its nice, however to "expand" your game and playtime with these.   Great thing about dlcs, is you don't have to buy them, nobody forces you to, and they aren't required to complete the main campaign.[/quote]
Not yet dont worry when some publishers want to start to sell games in chapters and have a monthly fee for singleplayer games. Then im worried what they will do with DLC. And no... i dont trust bioware or EA for this. Yes Bioware make good overall games. But i still dont trust them.

[quote]As for overpriced dlc, the most expensive was 15 dollars wasn't it..and I think that was for Shale,   I don't know because I bought the Collector's where Shale was included.   I have bought all the dlcs thus far, and the most expensive aside from the Shale one...was 7 bucks.     How is that overpriced?
[/quote]
I have collectors edition. Shale is overpriced for the content it give. And 25-30min is hardly any content even for 7$
Overall if you dont buy *thinks* 4 to 7 DLC conent you could buy a new game. The play time so far is around 25-30 min for each. That mean... 2 hours to 3.5hours for around the price of one game. Like i said... The content / price ratio is horrible.

[quote]Costs need to be factored in when making these dlcs,  the employees don't work for free.     Therefore the dlcs are not free, especially if they include a voice actor or two.     Leiliana's dlc included her original VA.    Those don't come cheap.
[/quote] What they dont work for free!?! How dare they... The price can be alot lower due to the fact that there is a unlimited nr of "dlc". They dont need to print a cd, advertise, store it and so on. That alone push the price down alot.

[quote]I think we are lucky to get these dlc for that price.   If 7 bucks is too much for your pocket book, then you know what to do...don't buy.     Pretty simple reaction. [/quote]
[/quote] "lucky"? The price is overall a scam just like what Blizzard did. Sadly the nr of dumb and stupid people in this world is just sad. And no i dont buy DLC. My friend did. I tried to warn him that it would be like torching your money. He did not listen. Then when he had played it he said "Holy crap what was horrible"... O.o

Maybe if the DLC was... You know... GOOD. But the quality is around 4/10. With Shale pushing it up. There are so many intresting things they could make with the DLC instead of pushing out crap every once in a while. But sadly they wont. Everyone know the "purples" are the important stuffs!

[EmperorSahlertz]

I don't get why some people keep calling us with enough money and the will to pay 7$ stupid..... Yes, theoritically we might be fueling a process that will make it overall more expensive to play computer games and degenerate game quality in general. We might also theoritically be fueling game developer companies with more money to help them enhance their products and thus make even better games. Only time will tell which of the two it will be, but being the eternal optimist that am, I'm hoping for the latter.

[meschert]

Monstruo696 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Some people want a product and are willing to pay.

"They're bound to run out of stupid people to sell to." is what I would've said a year ago.

So since you've purchased DLC content, are you calling yourself stupid?  Or just everyone else around here?

If Bioware starts solely offering "Horse Armor" dlc then I do think that people will vote with their wallet and not purchase, because fans will demand higher quality content.

I don't think this will happen.  But if it does? Then I don't buy that particular DLC.  See how that works?

Modifié par meschert, 21 juillet 2010 - 02:01 .

[meschert]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Suron wrote....DLC COSTS MONEY TO MAKE..they have to recoup it somehow or...why would they do it? Devs aren't "modders"..they don't just do it for the sake of it....they have to make money...

Valve do it all the time, if you added up the amount of Team Fortress 2 content released since it's release day, in Call Of Duty terms it would probably amount to the cost of one, two or even three full games. Likewise with Left4dead, and left4dead 2, pc content, costs nothing.  In fact, tomorow, Valve are releasing a full free game, for nothing.

Do Valve make money? Hell yes. They have 26 million people sitting on  steam, with there games selling at least 3 million units now. Are they  doing this to make money? Yes. The difference between Valve and  Activison is that they are actually benefiting  the consumer, even with  there DRM, people choose to be on steam because it offers lots of free services. As far as i'm concerned, Valve (and possibly Relic) are about the only decent companies on the market atm, everyone else like sneaky Micheal Douglas in "Wall Street"

Team Fortress 2 is what you would call an "anchor store" in a mall.  Say you open up a new strip mall.  Stores might be hesitant to lease a storefront there.  In order to lease out the majority of the vacancies, you do whatever you can to get one big store with a big draw that people will definitely come to the strip mall for.  You offer this store discounted or free rent for a limited amount of time.  This store becomes the anchor that helps you lease out all the other vacancies.  You take a hit on it because it's an investment and allows you to make money on everything else in the strip mall.

So to put this in context, Valve develops Team Fortress 2 constantly, for free.  It's a high quality product that keeps people on Steam.  The more people on Steam, the more market there is to sell all the other software.

[Monstruo696]

meschert wrote...


So since you've purchased DLC content, are you calling yourself stupid?  

I purchased DLC? 

[meschert]

Monstruo696 wrote...

meschert wrote...


So since you've purchased DLC content, are you calling yourself stupid?  

I purchased DLC? 

Monstruo696 wrote...

I haven't played Leliana's song, and DSC, while not exactly what I was hoping for DLC, was at least more inventive and interesting then RTO,;  still not sure if it's worth $5, but it sure is a hell of a lot closer than RTO.

Did you not play DSC or RTO?

[Monstruo696]

meschert wrote...


Did you not play DSC or RTO?

No further comments. 

Modifié par Monstruo696, 21 juillet 2010 - 04:39 .

[nuclearpengu1nn]

L33TDAWG wrote...

     If you preordered DAO you got the Stone Prisoner, Blood Dragon Armour, Wolf Charm, and that other thats name eludes me at this time. Though if you didn't preorder it, you didn't get these things and would have to buy them. Well the Stone Prisoner didn't really give you a fair price for how little it added to the story, it just gave you insight to the dwarven past. Return to Ostagar wasn't that great either, you weren't really left pondering what happened at the battle because the game made it pretty clear when the tower you were at was attacked and you woke up recieving news about how crappy the battle turned out.

     Then BioWare, you pulled a fast one and put a guy in our camp who talks to us about his problem and asks you for help, but you had to download the quest to do it. I am overall wondering if that's what we are left to expect in DA2, 60 dollars for a game that'll have 100 dollars in DLC to continue on the story or just to get a quest. Because it is quite bull **** when you have to pay 60 dollars for a game then turn around and pay 15 - 20 dollars for one or two missions and new armour which you won't need since all of them were useless as a mage or rogue (aside from the one weapon you got in Warden's Keep).

     I got the DLCs and they were pretty good, but didn't satisfy as you'd expect them to and if anything were just not that great and should have just been in the game, honestly I see it as this inivatble thing companies will do to keep sucking money out of you when some of these things could just be included in the game, but when you put the guy in our camp who you think you will be getting a mission from and it ends up being a promotion for a DLC pretty much, you feel kinda ripped off. Like, what was this suppose to be in the game? I played Assassin's Creed 2 and felt gyped about having to pay to keep the game going and find out what happens. I liked that DA didn't do that, but having to pay extra for a game you payed full price for expecting the FULL game is just BS.

     It makes me miss the old days of buying game for the nintendo 64 or super nintendo where I just got the full game that kept my interest for hours. This DLC thing that's happening is just a way of showing you that companies are willing to make a cheap crap game that you beat in 2 days just so you will want to pay for more of it when they could have added it into the game in the first place. Some DLCs are great, but there is a lot that is useless and just there to suck your money away. I am hoping DA2 doesn't do this because of the way this generation of games is heading, it'd be a good idea just to stick a foot up your butt rather than pay 120 dollars for one game without realizing what you are doing.

if you think the DLCs suck then don't buy it
its as simple as that

[javierabegazo]

Monstruo696 wrote...

meschert wrote...


Did you not play DSC or RTO?

No further comments. 

This may seem a bit off topic, but did you play Overlord for ME2?

[javierabegazo]

meschert wrote...


So to put this in context, Valve develops Team Fortress 2 constantly, for free.  It's a high quality product that keeps people on Steam.  The more people on Steam, the more market there is to sell all the other software.

Sure, but the production value of TM2 and any game from BioWare is so radically different.

[Monstruo696]

javierabegazo wrote...


This may seem a bit off topic, but did you play Overlord for ME2?

Sadly, no.

I couldn't bother myself to install ME2 again after beating it 3 different times.

meschert wrote...
Team Fortress 2 is what you would call an "anchor store" in a mall.  Say you open up a new strip mall.  Stores might be hesitant to lease a storefront there.  In order to lease out the majority of the vacancies, you do whatever you can to get one big store with a big draw that people will definitely come to the strip mall for.  You offer this store discounted or free rent for a limited amount of time.  This store becomes the anchor that helps you lease out all the other vacancies.  You take a hit on it because it's an investment and allows you to make money on everything else in the strip mall.

So to put this in context, Valve develops Team Fortress 2 constantly, for free.  It's a high quality product that keeps people on Steam.  The more people on Steam, the more market there is to sell all the other software.

There's nothing wrong with that.  

I have over 50 games on steam and they all come out to about ~$8 per game, mostly because I buy during discounts or buy combo packs.

Heck, they recently released Alien Swarm (+ SDK) for free only to release paid content later on.  Really eager to find out how this will work out.  So far, I really enjoy the game.

EDIT:  In fact, I like Valve for appealing to the gamer in me, not the fan boy, which drools over anything you give him.

EDIT2: This is my Steam List (Bought Dragon Age through Retail).  This is what $400 over a year has gotten me.

Modifié par Monstruo696, 21 juillet 2010 - 05:06 .

[meschert]

javierabegazo wrote...

meschert wrote...


So to put this in context, Valve develops Team Fortress 2 constantly, for free.  It's a high quality product that keeps people on Steam.  The more people on Steam, the more market there is to sell all the other software.

Sure, but the production value of TM2 and any game from BioWare is so radically different.

I agree, and am intending to show that Valve/Steam and Bioware are two very different fish.

Bioware titles are...fantastic and deep.

[Rubbish Hero]

Valve make better games than Bioware, they also have better customer service. You will be paying for probably every peice of DLC in Dragon Age 2, with content probably chopped out to combat resale. Valve would never do that, due to being wonderful human beings.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 21 juillet 2010 - 05:40 .

[Mad Method]

More fun with picture analogies. Enjoy this tiny one.



Certainly, you're not there for the food or the headsets. You're there for the flight. That's what you really payed for. But, the food and the headsets are the extras we have traditionally gotten and expected for free. Nowadays, they charge you money with the excuse that this way they can offer you better options (and some of the options are indeed a little better), but the truth is that for the most part they're just ripping you off.

Now, if I were getting well-prepared food and a real headset at an appropriate price instead of a microwave meal with the cheapest earbuds you could manufacture for exorbitant fees, I might actually want to pay for it. But that's not the case.

Bioware's DLC problem is the same as this airline *cough* US Airways *cough*.

You get the flight you payed for either way, but you can see how one might be a distinctly less pleasant ride than the other, yes?

Modifié par Mad Method, 21 juillet 2010 - 06:11 .

[javierabegazo]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Valve make better games than Bioware, they also have better customer service. You will be paying for probably every peice of DLC in Dragon Age 2, with content probably chopped out to combat resale. Valve would never do that, due to being wonderful human beings.

Or due to just being a sucessful business model of creating relatively simple games with a low production cost and adding onto them to maintain a busy website traffic.

[Rubbish Hero]

javierabegazo wrote...Or due to just being a sucessful business model .

That of being wonderful human beings, yes.

javierabegazo wrote...adding onto them to maintain a busy website traffic.

Valve was adding free content before steam existed. They were adding  content before it even became big, about two weeks after Haflflife 2's  release they added vanilla death match (the game shipping with  counterstrike).

javierabegazo wrote... creating relatively simple games

 Bioware games have been fairly simplistic and accessible since  KOTOR.  Mass Effect 2 is probably the most accessible game since Jade Empire.  We get the opportunity to pay for this cwap.

www.youtube.com/watch

Execution is what puts Valve above them, not simplicity.
That and Gabe Newell, he's so cool.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 21 juillet 2010 - 06:03 .

[Monstruo696]

javierabegazo wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Valve make better games than Bioware, they also have better customer service. You will be paying for probably every peice of DLC in Dragon Age 2, with content probably chopped out to combat resale. Valve would never do that, due to being wonderful human beings.

Or due to just being a sucessful business model of creating relatively simple games with a low production cost and adding onto them to maintain a busy website traffic.

Low Production Value?

I think the only game Valve has rehashed has been L4D2.  Aside from that, pretty much all Valve games are completely different from each other.

Unlike companies like Ubisoft and Activision, which like to put out cash cows and make 50 sequels before they decide to spend money on the actual game rather than advertising.

[London]

I actually support DLC.



The largest video game companies are always pushed to bring their products to market before the Developers would like. But, the guys with the power will always shove the games out the door only "complete enough."



DLC gives the developers the business justification to continue to mold the original product into their original vision, or to cater to fan desires by adding content to answer their questions or follow up on some storylines that they could not originally do.



I'm willing to pay $7 for that.

[AlanC9]

Mad Method wrote...

More fun with picture analogies. Enjoy this tiny one.



Certainly, you're not there for the food or the headsets. You're there for the flight. That's what you really payed for. But, the food and the headsets are the extras we have traditionally gotten and expected for free. Nowadays, they charge you money with the excuse that this way they can offer you better options (and some of the options are indeed a little better), but the truth is that for the most part they're just ripping you off.

Now, if I were getting well-prepared food and a real headset at an appropriate price instead of a microwave meal with the cheapest earbuds you could manufacture for exorbitant fees, I might actually want to pay for it. But that's not the case.

Bioware's DLC problem is the same as this airline *cough* US Airways *cough*.

Certainly, you get the flight you payed for either way, but you can see how one might be a distinctly less pleasant ride than the other, yes?

Would you find being forced to pay for those things preferable?

That's actually not an unreasonable preference. People seem to prefer being forced to buy cable channels in bundles rather than paying for each individual channel because then they don't have to think about whether each channel is worth it. 

[Monstruo696]

AlanC9 wrote...


Would you find being forced to pay for those things preferable?

That's actually not an unreasonable preference. People seem to prefer being forced to buy cable channels in bundles rather than paying for each individual channel because then they don't have to think about whether each channel is worth it. 

Uh, no.  People pay for bundles because they have no other choice.

[AlanC9]

There have been studies. People will put up with a lot to reduce transaction costs.

Edit: and hey, aren't you the one saying that content should be bundled? Last time I checked you were against the DLC concept.

Modifié par AlanC9, 21 juillet 2010 - 06:27 .

[Mad Method]

SebastianDA, yes, you and most of the purchasers support the idea of of paying extra for more content. You support the company called Bioware. You like getting extra content for your favorite RPG. But do you actually spend that money thinking "gosh that extra character sure was worth $12!" or "wow that 1 hour expansion with 2 abilities and overpowered loot sure was worth $7!"?

For the most part I get the feeling you (and I mean the general you, not "you" you) just buy and then justify it saying "meh, there are a whole host of mundane, unimportant things I could spend that amount of money on." The sheer need for that kind of justification where you mentally redefine the value of your dollars to meet the standard set forth by your DLC speaks for itself.

Alan, pay attention. It's not that I prefer being forced to pay. It's that I am getting blatantly ripped off. The price swings between flights that have food included and don't aren't noticeable either. And bundling more channels you don't want with the channel you want isn't comparable to bundling food you will almost certainly be eating with a flight you are definitely taking.

Modifié par Mad Method, 21 juillet 2010 - 06:34 .