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[BomimoDK]

catabuca wrote...

People need to stop thinking that if you lament a watered-down RPG in ME2 that must mean you love inventories.
There seem to be 2 components to RPG (and I'm generalising): inventory/stat management; and story/choice. The second of those is FAR more important than the first to me. When I talk about ME2 not feeling like as much of an RPG as ME1, I'm talking about story and choice. So please, have a little awareness, and don't automatically jump down people's throats screaming "OMG I can't believe you loved the clunky inventory system".

so, you're 1 out of well, everyone. I retain any right to tell anyone who looks down at other game genres and behaves like "i'm da **** bcuz i h8 shewters" that they're full of **** at any time... because it's basically true.

second and less offensive, read this calmly imagine a conversative voice. I have a hard time thinking you disliked ME2's story anc choice since both ended up being far bigger and advanced than ME1. Paragon/renegade actions expanded alot on the usual dialogue equation and you could basically get on with things if you wanted, I.E. pushing out of window, stopping a kill or suddently drawing your gun to kill early. Choice... well, where in mass effect did sloppyness have any effect? In ME2 i went in sloppy and i lost it all... dire consequences, haven't seen that before and never saw it coming.

anyway, i think it's ok some got furious about missing Inventory, but i think it's beyond stupid to behave like everyone else wronged you, either you play or you don't. people who prefer or even just look at other genres shouldn't have to take **** from basement elitists, that's what we're talking about. in other words, you weren't targeted and shouldn't have been offended, sorry bout that.

[Jaron Oberyn]

BomimoDK wrote...

catabuca wrote...

People need to stop thinking that if you lament a watered-down RPG in ME2 that must mean you love inventories.
There seem to be 2 components to RPG (and I'm generalising): inventory/stat management; and story/choice. The second of those is FAR more important than the first to me. When I talk about ME2 not feeling like as much of an RPG as ME1, I'm talking about story and choice. So please, have a little awareness, and don't automatically jump down people's throats screaming "OMG I can't believe you loved the clunky inventory system".

so, you're 1 out of well, everyone. I retain any right to tell anyone who looks down at other game genres and behaves like "i'm da **** bcuz i h8 shewters" that they're full of **** at any time... because it's basically true.

second and less offensive, read this calmly imagine a conversative voice. I have a hard time thinking you disliked ME2's story anc choice since both ended up being far bigger and advanced than ME1. Paragon/renegade actions expanded alot on the usual dialogue equation and you could basically get on with things if you wanted, I.E. pushing out of window, stopping a kill or suddently drawing your gun to kill early. Choice... well, where in mass effect did sloppyness have any effect? In ME2 i went in sloppy and i lost it all... dire consequences, haven't seen that before and never saw it coming.

anyway, i think it's ok some got furious about missing Inventory, but i think it's beyond stupid to behave like everyone else wronged you, either you play or you don't. people who prefer or even just look at other genres shouldn't have to take **** from basement elitists, that's what we're talking about. in other words, you weren't targeted and shouldn't have been offended, sorry bout that.

??? Ok...

Modifié par PoliteAssasin, 19 juillet 2010 - 02:15 .

[Aradace]

I wouldnt boycott the company...But I would certainly boycott any future games in the "Mass Effect Universe" beyond ME3....And even then, I probably wouldnt "boycott" so much as just put them on my "Rental" list and not my "Buy" list.

[BomimoDK]

PoliteAssasin wrote...


??? Ok...

whaat? he brought it up:P

Modifié par BomimoDK, 19 juillet 2010 - 02:19 .

[Cris Shepard]

I love when people think they have the right to question others' loyalty to the company. Everone had different expectations for Mass Effect 2, just look at all the dissapointment threads. Don't deny that ME2 could have used a lot of improvment in the RPG portion of the game. Some people like doing all the stat tracking, some people like playing around with the inventory. Not everyone is a lazy Shooter fan that just wants to play an overly easy game for the story. You want that, go watch a sci-fi movie. ME2 is a game, it is labeled an RPG on the BOX, so we are merely suggesting that it include more RPG elements, and if a Multiplayer mode is brought into the game, that detracts from the man power behind the Single player. You can flame me all you want, im just a 19 year old who loves ME and RPG's and wants a game that was purchased for $70 to include more RPG emelents and less "everything that dumbs a game down"..

[Jaron Oberyn]

BomimoDK wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...


??? Ok...

whaat? he brought it up:P

Well I suppose:D

Aradace wrote...

I wouldnt boycott the company...But I would certainly boycott any future games in the "Mass Effect Universe" beyond ME3....And even then, I probably wouldnt "boycott" so much as just put them on my "Rental" list and not my "Buy" list.

I would definitely get ME3 for the sake of ending the trilogy. But any other game from Biwoare I will need to research significantly. This is the case for DA:2. So far, I don't like what I see. If they'd kept to the DA:O style, I would have loved the announcement. But this reminds me of EA's LoTR games as far as combat is concerned. I don't like that. But that's just me. Some people may like the new combat. But Bioware's RPG's seem to be going the action-adventure/shooter route. Hopefully DA:2 won't sacrifice the RPG elements to make that happen, but I'm not holding my breath.

 -Polite

[catabuca]

BomimoDK wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...


??? Ok...

whaat? he brought it up:P

No, she brought it up, but anyway ...

Listen dear, you can't transfer your motives and feelings onto me. So you refuse to believe I could prefer ME1's story over ME2's? Wow, there's some lack of awareness right there. I have no problem accepting you preferred ME2's story. It doesn't offend me, it doesn't ****** me off, I don't silently (or not so silently) rage about it. I'm happy people liked the story. Why can't you accept I may not share your brain? Do you think you are the only person in the world, or that your opinion is the only correct opinion?

Let me guess, you're not actually very old are you?

[Jaron Oberyn]

Cris Shepard wrote...

I love when people think they have the right to question others' loyalty to the company. Everone had different expectations for Mass Effect 2, just look at all the dissapointment threads. Don't deny that ME2 could have used a lot of improvment in the RPG portion of the game. Some people like doing all the stat tracking, some people like playing around with the inventory. Not everyone is a lazy Shooter fan that just wants to play an overly easy game for the story. You want that, go watch a sci-fi movie. ME2 is a game, it is labeled an RPG on the BOX, so we are merely suggesting that it include more RPG elements, and if a Multiplayer mode is brought into the game, that detracts from the man power behind the Single player. You can flame me all you want, im just a 19 year old who loves ME and RPG's and wants a game that was purchased for $70 to include more RPG emelents and less "everything that dumbs a game down"..

Well said. I hope they don't dumb down ME3's story also to make it more accessible to people who didn't play the first two games.  I was disappointed when they did that to ME2. They should reward the fans who stayed with them throughout the trilogy by making it strong story wise, especially with imports. Instead of making it where people can play the final act of a trilogy without playing the first 2. And I pre-ordered the CE. Don't know If I'll be doing that again. Especially since I got mediocre Collector Armor and Assault rifle that I never use. 

 -Polite

[BomimoDK]

Cris Shepard wrote...

I love when people think they have the right to question others' loyalty to the company. Everone had different expectations for Mass Effect 2, just look at all the dissapointment threads. Don't deny that ME2 could have used a lot of improvment in the RPG portion of the game. Some people like doing all the stat tracking, some people like playing around with the inventory. Not everyone is a lazy Shooter fan that just wants to play an overly easy game for the story. You want that, go watch a sci-fi movie. ME2 is a game, it is labeled an RPG on the BOX, so we are merely suggesting that it include more RPG elements, and if a Multiplayer mode is brought into the game, that detracts from the man power behind the Single player. You can flame me all you want, im just a 19 year old who loves ME and RPG's and wants a game that was purchased for $70 to include more RPG emelents and less "everything that dumbs a game down"..

can i agree somewhat even though i loved ME2? in that case, i do. there was nothing wrong with story and choices, but there were too few sidequests and little space to dilly dally. i would prefer if they forgot about Multiplayer as i may just ignore it.
i still stand by my word that ME2 improved a ****ton where ME1 lacked, it streamlined the more tedious parts but it seems they cut too much. i'd have loved more sidequests. the only thing i hated in ME was the inventory system. I'm a fantasy RPG player... i just can't wrap my head around these blasters and laser resistand armors, i just can't.

catabuca wrote...

BomimoDK wrote...

PoliteAssasin
wrote...


??? Ok...

whaat? he brought it up[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

No,
she brought it up, but anyway ...

Listen dear, you can't
transfer your motives and feelings onto me. So you refuse to believe I
could prefer ME1's story over ME2's? Wow, there's some lack of awareness
right there. I have no problem accepting you preferred ME2's story. It
doesn't offend me, it doesn't ****** me off, I don't silently (or not so
silently) rage about it. I'm happy people liked the story. Why can't you
accept I may not share your brain? Do you think you are the only person
in the world, or that your opinion is the only correct opinion?

Let
me guess, you're not actually very old are you?

i outright told you not to read it offensively dude. I just disagree'd (as much as you even can with opinion) and stated my opinion. i did not meant to aggrevate you, which it seems i have. how cool are you for bringing age into this? is that some attempt at making me look lesser? I'm 19, barely out my mothers womb, still wet behind my ears. you won, everything i ever said in here is trash because i haven't passed out of my teens, you're cool now.

yeah, your juvenile abilities in discussion and argumentation offended me, i don't like when people use these tricks to "win" whatever they won.

Don't get me wrong, i respect your oppinion... i have a lack of respect for you now, but that doesn't matter. "i have a hard time believing" which is what i said, is a term... look it up.

Modifié par BomimoDK, 19 juillet 2010 - 02:36 .

[Jaron Oberyn]

catabuca wrote...

BomimoDK wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...


??? Ok...

whaat? he brought it up:P

No, she brought it up, but anyway ...

Listen dear, you can't transfer your motives and feelings onto me. So you refuse to believe I could prefer ME1's story over ME2's? Wow, there's some lack of awareness right there. I have no problem accepting you preferred ME2's story. It doesn't offend me, it doesn't ****** me off, I don't silently (or not so silently) rage about it. I'm happy people liked the story. Why can't you accept I may not share your brain? Do you think you are the only person in the world, or that your opinion is the only correct opinion?

Let me guess, you're not actually very old are you?

Come on now guys lets have a civilized discussion here. No need for personal insults. Everyone has their own opinion. That's why I created this thread, to hear people's opinion on the Mass Effect trilogy going multiplayer, along with the dumbing down of RPG elements. 

 -Polite

[Aradace]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

BomimoDK wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...


??? Ok...

whaat? he brought it up:P

Well I suppose:D

Aradace wrote...

I wouldnt boycott the company...But I would certainly boycott any future games in the "Mass Effect Universe" beyond ME3....And even then, I probably wouldnt "boycott" so much as just put them on my "Rental" list and not my "Buy" list.

I would definitely get ME3 for the sake of ending the trilogy. But any other game from Biwoare I will need to research significantly. This is the case for DA:2. So far, I don't like what I see. If they'd kept to the DA:O style, I would have loved the announcement. But this reminds me of EA's LoTR games as far as combat is concerned. I don't like that. But that's just me. Some people may like the new combat. But Bioware's RPG's seem to be going the action-adventure/shooter route. Hopefully DA:2 won't sacrifice the RPG elements to make that happen, but I'm not holding my breath.

 -Polite

Kind of what Im thinking as well lol...Im probably going to get ME3 regardless...But any other "Spinoff" in the future would definately be on my "rental" list if I deemed it so.  As far as DA2 goes, until I know whether or not there is going to be a New Game Plus this time around, it is also going on my rental list. 

[Jaron Oberyn]

BomimoDK wrote...

Cris Shepard wrote...

I love when people think they have the right to question others' loyalty to the company. Everone had different expectations for Mass Effect 2, just look at all the dissapointment threads. Don't deny that ME2 could have used a lot of improvment in the RPG portion of the game. Some people like doing all the stat tracking, some people like playing around with the inventory. Not everyone is a lazy Shooter fan that just wants to play an overly easy game for the story. You want that, go watch a sci-fi movie. ME2 is a game, it is labeled an RPG on the BOX, so we are merely suggesting that it include more RPG elements, and if a Multiplayer mode is brought into the game, that detracts from the man power behind the Single player. You can flame me all you want, im just a 19 year old who loves ME and RPG's and wants a game that was purchased for $70 to include more RPG emelents and less "everything that dumbs a game down"..

can i agree somewhat even though i loved ME2? in that case, i do. there was nothing wrong with story and choices, but there were too few sidequests and little space to dilly dally. i would prefer if they forgot about Multiplayer as i may just ignore it.
i still stand by my word that ME2 improved a ****ton where ME1 lacked, it streamlined the more tedious parts but it seems they cut too much. i'd have loved more sidequests. the only thing i hated in ME was the inventory system. I'm a fantasy RPG player... i just can't wrap my head around these blasters and laser resistand armors, i just can't.

I agree the inventory got pretty boring after a while. Like I said above, ME2 felt more closed than ME1. ME1 had the feeling that the galaxy was open to you to explore, that it was never ending, even though it was. ME2 didn't have that feeling. Especially with the side quests. It lacks that planet exploration in the Mako, the setting up of ambushes of merc bases with snipers in the mountains, etc... I would have loved it if Mass 2 had the first games RPG elements coupled with the second game's Shooter combat. That would have been awesome. But it seems they increased one area while decreasing another. Mass Effect 2 does have it's pros - Better cinematic/dialogue experience. Better music (In my opinion, but M4 should have been in there ) No texture pop-ins.  What it lacked was squad banter, elevators, RPG elements from the first game, and so on.

So if Bioware took the strengths from both games and combine them in Mass 3, It will make everyone happy. But if not, then i'll be looking for a new favorite company - or will just wait until my own launches in the future. Hopefully they've been reading the fan's feedback regarding the game. I'm slightly optimistic about that because of what happened with the Aegis pack - the DLC armor came in pieces instead of one piece. So it seems that they are keeping an eye on the forums. If so, (Hi Bioware) then I'll keep a little faith in them as I have before. But as someone said above, I hate EA with a passion. The rEApers are bad. I think we all should know that. 

 -Polite

[Jaron Oberyn]

Aradace wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

BomimoDK wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...


??? Ok...

whaat? he brought it up:P

Well I suppose:D

Aradace wrote...

I wouldnt boycott the company...But I would certainly boycott any future games in the "Mass Effect Universe" beyond ME3....And even then, I probably wouldnt "boycott" so much as just put them on my "Rental" list and not my "Buy" list.

I would definitely get ME3 for the sake of ending the trilogy. But any other game from Biwoare I will need to research significantly. This is the case for DA:2. So far, I don't like what I see. If they'd kept to the DA:O style, I would have loved the announcement. But this reminds me of EA's LoTR games as far as combat is concerned. I don't like that. But that's just me. Some people may like the new combat. But Bioware's RPG's seem to be going the action-adventure/shooter route. Hopefully DA:2 won't sacrifice the RPG elements to make that happen, but I'm not holding my breath.

 -Polite

Kind of what Im thinking as well lol...Im probably going to get ME3 regardless...But any other "Spinoff" in the future would definately be on my "rental" list if I deemed it so.  As far as DA2 goes, until I know whether or not there is going to be a New Game Plus this time around, it is also going on my rental list. 

Hopefully the job posting was for some sort of Mass Effect MMO similar to TOR. But I could, and probably will, be wrong. I've looked at DA:2 and all it took was one glance to see that I wouldn't be playing it. But I'm just one man, so other's will most likely like and support it. I'm just not a fan of EA LoTR combat. Putting DA:2 on my rental list would be too much for me. But I haven't seen all of it, so they might change some stuff. I might keep my eyes on it, but it's doubtful.

-Polite

[BomimoDK]

PoliteAssasin wrote...
I hate EA with a passion. The rEApers are bad. I think we all should know that. 

 -Polite

oh, if you knew what Ubisoft (constant connection DRM) and Activision (higher prices for games and soon to come MMO priced P2P shooters) you'd love EA. right at this moment, they're the best of those three and the general hardcore gamer population are looking to them to keep PC gaming alive since the other two are strangling it quite rapidly.
Right now, EA aint lookin so bad despite what we theorize that they're doing to Bioware.

[Jaron Oberyn]

BomimoDK wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...
I hate EA with a passion. The rEApers are bad. I think we all should know that. 

 -Polite

oh, if you knew what Ubisoft (constant connection DRM) and Activision (higher prices for games and soon to come MMO priced P2P shooters) you'd love EA. right at this moment, they're the best of those three and the general hardcore gamer population are looking to them to keep PC gaming alive since the other two are strangling it quite rapidly.
Right now, EA aint lookin so bad despite what we theorize that they're doing to Bioware.

It may soon be the lesser of those evils, but it's evil nonetheless. Although I have to agree, Activision charging for multiplayer access is pathetic. Especially for people who already pay $60 for Xbox Live. That's why I didn't renew when my subscription ran out 2 days ago. I'm keeping my Xbox solely for Mass Effect. 

I had hoped that EA would change under their new leadership. Didn't some new guy take over? But I don't know. EA would be unstoppable if they actually work hard on their games and don't rush stuff out of the door just to offer "DLC" later. They have so much potential, but use it for "evil" instead of "good". But your most likely right. They aren't as bad in comparison with others. But they are still bad. 

 -Polite

[NICKjnp]

I don't think they are going to take a single-player rpg and make it mutliplayer. It is not Biowares style of game.... and it is a narative rich game so making it multiplayer would detract from it. As most have said... the job opening about bringing the mass effect franchise is probably for a a rts game set in the ME universe that would be released after ME3.

[Jaron Oberyn]

NICKjnp wrote...

I don't think they are going to take a single-player rpg and make it mutliplayer. It is not Biowares style of game.... and it is a narative rich game so making it multiplayer would detract from it. As most have said... the job opening about bringing the mass effect franchise is probably for a a rts game set in the ME universe that would be released after ME3.

But the only problem with that is, Bioware doesn't make RTS games. They make RPG's, and you could say MMO's. Either it's coop or mutliplayer in Mass 2 or 3, or it's a Mass Effect MMO stylized like TOR. 

 -Polite

[lazuli]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

So if your decisions in the first and second game don't impact the third game, who cares?

You must be one of the Shooter fans.

So why not make Mass Effect Kart? Hey if it's fun....

-Polite

When you attack people like this it weakens your argument immeasurably.

[theelementslayer]

lazuli wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

So if your decisions in the first and second game don't impact the third game, who cares?

You must be one of the Shooter fans.

So why not make Mass Effect Kart? Hey if it's fun....

-Polite

When you attack people like this it weakens your argument immeasurably.

I think Mr. "polite" assassin here was warned by a certain Stanley Woo about this. Come on man if he enjoys the game let him, its not a pissing contest here, its a social network.

[Chim3ra]

I hope they won't add multiplayer. It will be similiar to Bioshock, that won't focus as MUCH on singleplayer because they would have mp to fall back on. They would slack and say "oh well, it's okay if the sp isn't THAT great as long as we have mp". I'm not saying Bioware would be like that, just how most developers do. Besides in some interview Casey Hudson ( I belive ) said that they were sticking with Singleplayer for ME. But I'm sure that could change. I just hope it doesn't. Mass Effect is my favorite story of anything ever and I don't want it to be ruined or not end with a giant bang due to multiplayer. Well whatever they choose I trust Bioware, they have no reason to not have my trust.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Probably call it quits on the series, and Bioware altogether if they add multiplayer. The only way I could accept it is if they actually said "okay, we accept that we went too far focusing on shooter gameplay in ME2, so this is added so that the main story and the main game doesnt need to play second fiddle to the shooter elements".



Its pretty clear from even the devs own comments and the marketing that ME2 was massively centred around being a TPS before anything else. The gameplay itself tells you that.



If adding any sort of CO-OP or multiplayer is just another symptom of Bioware trying to bed the Gears of War/Modern Warfare 2 shooter fans, rather than a means of adressing it so that it frees up the single player game for less "TEH SHOTAA!" game design, Im finished with this series for sure, and this company as well.

[SithLordExarKun]

bjdbwea wrote...


If you had read some of the developer's comments, you would see the indications.

Yes, that because they made it a little more shooterish, it MUST mean EA is behind this. Still, even if this were the case, i don't see how this is concrete proof.

bjdbwea wrote...
Of course you want evidence in the form of a clear statement such as "yes, we dumbed down the game to appeal to the shooter crowd". You want it because you know full well that no one is ever going to say something like that openly. So you can always claim no one has prove.

You make a claim, you prove it. Do you not understand the concept of the burden of proof?

Right, i forgot how other clowns made theories about EA being responsible for the watered down sex scenes in ME2  when in reality, EA's other game: The Saboteur, displayed full frontal nudity.

bjdbwea wrote...
However, if you are honest, you can see that ME 2 did "go down the shooter route".

I did, i mentioned it several time because i felt ME1 was a ****** poor attempt to mash shooting and RPG together with both aspects being a failure, while as shootery ME2 did get, it at least got one thing right.

bjdbwea wrote...
You can like that better than part 1, that's completely up to you. But to deny the fact? What's that supposed to accomplish? The reasons are indeed anyone's guess.

  What fact? That ME2 became more shootery? Never denied that, but how am i suppose to deny an unproven conspiracy which in turn is not fact? Just because you say it is, doesn't make it true.

Hell i might as well bring up the septemper 11 conpiracy theories, that the US government is behind it and not the terrorists since "there are indications" that the government is behind it and " the most likely explanation is certainly the big change that happened
when they sold out to EA the need for oil for $$$ and a war in iraq as a cover up"

Does that make it true? Hell no it doesn't. Just because you say so does not make it so.

bjdbwea wrote...
However, since the independent BioWare used to produce high quality RPGs, whereas now there are significant changes in their approach to ME and DA too, the most likely explanation is certainly the big change that happened when they sold out to EA. Again, you can like it better, but please don't try to deny the fact. Feel free to provide other possible explanations though.

So yes, just because of a few differences the developers at bioware decide to implement, it means EA MUST be behind it. And again, what "fact" are you blabbering about? Try actually proving your conspiracy theories.

Hell, many many companies have made changes to their games, i guess by your logic, which ever publisher is behind it MUST be responsible.

I don't see why EA would bother forcing bioware down this route, considering that EA already has existing shooters(the entire battlefield franchise which people still play), upcoming shooters like Medal of Honor and the fact that they own the sims franchise which sold the most copies in the world, so why the hell would they need to "force" bioware to make another shooter?  How do you not know this was not biowares decision?

ME2 turned out the way it is, deal with it and move on. Hell, accuse me of being an ME2 fanboy, because even i think DAO is a stronger RPG than both ME games.

In fact, do you want to start blaming EA for the direction DA2 is heading too? I bet you will.

[-Skorpious-]

My two cents? Both ME3 and any future ME2 content should remain void of multiplayer content. Incorporating MP into Mass Effect would require both a large budget and resources if the MP aspect of the game hopes to achieve anything substantial (aka replayability) and more often than not, these MP escapades end up hurting the single player experience. My answer remains a firm no.



I'm all for multiplayer in future Mass Effect titles however (as long as they do not feature a plot revolving around a character by the name of Shepard that is).

[Jaron Oberyn]

theelementslayer wrote...

lazuli wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

So if your decisions in the first and second game don't impact the third game, who cares?

You must be one of the Shooter fans.

So why not make Mass Effect Kart? Hey if it's fun....

-Polite

When you attack people like this it weakens your argument immeasurably.

I think Mr. "polite" assassin here was warned by a certain Stanley Woo about this. Come on man if he enjoys the game let him, its not a pissing contest here, its a social network.

What makes you think that? Why would I be warned for assuming someone is a Shooter fan? That wasn't an attack against him, that was an assumption based on his comment. 

 -Polite

[Jaron Oberyn]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...


If you had read some of the developer's comments, you would see the indications.

Yes, that because they made it a little more shooterish, it MUST mean EA is behind this. Still, even if this were the case, i don't see how this is concrete proof.

bjdbwea wrote...
Of course you want evidence in the form of a clear statement such as "yes, we dumbed down the game to appeal to the shooter crowd". You want it because you know full well that no one is ever going to say something like that openly. So you can always claim no one has prove.

You make a claim, you prove it. Do you not understand the concept of the burden of proof?

Right, i forgot how other clowns made theories about EA being responsible for the watered down sex scenes in ME2  when in reality, EA's other game: The Saboteur, displayed full frontal nudity.

bjdbwea wrote...
However, if you are honest, you can see that ME 2 did "go down the shooter route".

I did, i mentioned it several time because i felt ME1 was a ****** poor attempt to mash shooting and RPG together with both aspects being a failure, while as shootery ME2 did get, it at least got one thing right.

bjdbwea wrote...
You can like that better than part 1, that's completely up to you. But to deny the fact? What's that supposed to accomplish? The reasons are indeed anyone's guess.

  What fact? That ME2 became more shootery? Never denied that, but how am i suppose to deny an unproven conspiracy which in turn is not fact? Just because you say it is, doesn't make it true.

Hell i might as well bring up the septemper 11 conpiracy theories, that the US government is behind it and not the terrorists since "there are indications" that the government is behind it and " the most likely explanation is certainly the big change that happened
when they sold out to EA the need for oil for $$$ and a war in iraq as a cover up"

Does that make it true? Hell no it doesn't. Just because you say so does not make it so.

bjdbwea wrote...
However, since the independent BioWare used to produce high quality RPGs, whereas now there are significant changes in their approach to ME and DA too, the most likely explanation is certainly the big change that happened when they sold out to EA. Again, you can like it better, but please don't try to deny the fact. Feel free to provide other possible explanations though.

So yes, just because of a few differences the developers at bioware decide to implement, it means EA MUST be behind it. And again, what "fact" are you blabbering about? Try actually proving your conspiracy theories.

Hell, many many companies have made changes to their games, i guess by your logic, which ever publisher is behind it MUST be responsible.

I don't see why EA would bother forcing bioware down this route, considering that EA already has existing shooters(the entire battlefield franchise which people still play), upcoming shooters like Medal of Honor and the fact that they own the sims franchise which sold the most copies in the world, so why the hell would they need to "force" bioware to make another shooter?  How do you not know this was not biowares decision?

ME2 turned out the way it is, deal with it and move on. Hell, accuse me of being an ME2 fanboy, because even i think DAO is a stronger RPG than both ME games.

In fact, do you want to start blaming EA for the direction DA2 is heading too? I bet you will.

Your obviously ignorant to EA's track record. So I can't exactly argue their history and current path with you. I won't bother to address all of your statements. But EA is the reason DA:2 is going down the route they are, and it is the reason that Mass Effect 2 was more of  shooter. Just because EA already has BC2 and MoH doesn't mean they don't want another cash cow to bring in more money. They have a large shooter fan base, and directing Mass Effect at that fan base would bring in more money for them. DA:2 has pretty much the same combat as EA's popular LoTR games. No turned based fighting like in DA:O. They implement these features to draw in a larger fan base. But while they increase the presence of Shooter/ Action-Adventure elements, they decrease the RPG elements to appease the new fan base that they are targeting.

 -Polite