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[Nightwriter]

PTPR wrote...

Basically it's an eye for an eye arguement. The man hurt someone  so it gives you the right to hurt him. In the end you're putting yourself at his level. He ends up no better, while you end up worse.

Prisons weren't made to punish people so much as they were made to protect the innocent public.
So yes, I always stop it.

And it may be none of my business, but that's like saying someone on the street being mugged is none of my business.
/my 2 cents

That's interesting.

Is it weird to say I think I could hurt someone who's hurt others without compromising who I am?

Is it weird to say I kind of do think prisons are there to punish people and not just to protect the innocent, or else we wouldn't have the death penalty?

You give me things to think on.

[Pauravi]

Nightwriter wrote...

That's interesting.

Is it weird to say I think I could hurt someone who's hurt others without compromising who I am?

It isn't weird, no.  There are probably lots of people who could.
But even if it didn't change you, I think it does say something about what sort of person you are.

Is it weird to say I kind of do think prisons are there to punish people and not just to protect the innocent, or else we wouldn't have the death penalty?

Once again, not weird.  And you're right, people do treat prisons as a punishment system.
Frankly, I think that's why our prison system doesn't work very well.

It is also one reason that I am against the death penalty.  I don't think that retribution and revenge are useful or morally acceptable pursuits for a government to undertake.  They do no good for anybody.  A government should do things that benefit society, not settle vendettas.  We don't need prisons that subject people to horrors and help turn one-time offenders into career criminals, we need correctional facilities that help people who turn to crime do something else with their lives when they leave confinement.  They don't need to be coddled, but a harsh environment where people have to turn to barbarism or gang mentality to survive is exactly counterproductive to the goal of rehabilitation.  All you're doing is creating more criminals. 

A system that fosters compassion, even for those that have done wrong, I believe would create a much more civil society overall.

[IoCaster]

XtremegamerHK47 wrote...

I stop him, hes gonna die in a few minutes anyway, might as well let him die in peace.

I've never given it much thought, but this actually makes sense. I'm tempted to stop the guard the next time I play that mission.

[Nightwriter]

Pauravi wrote...

It isn't weird, no.  There are probably lots of people who could.
But even if it didn't change you, I think it does say something about what sort of person you are.

That's true. The question is, would it say something I'm not okay with?

Pauravi wrote...

Is it weird to say I kind of do think prisons are there to punish people and not just to protect the innocent, or else we wouldn't have the death penalty?

Once again, not weird.  And you're right, people do treat prisons as a punishment system.
Frankly, I think that's why our prison system doesn't work very well.

It is also one reason that I am against the death penalty.  I don't think that retribution and revenge are useful or morally acceptable pursuits for a government to undertake.  They do no good for anybody.  A government should do things that benefit society, not settle vendettas.  We don't need prisons that subject people to horrors and help turn one-time offenders into career criminals, we need correctional facilities that help people who turn to crime do something else with their lives when they leave confinement.  They don't need to be coddled, but a harsh environment where people have to turn to barbarism or gang mentality to survive is exactly counterproductive to the goal of rehabilitation.  All you're doing is creating more criminals. 

A system that fosters compassion, even for those that have done wrong, I believe would create a much more civil society overall.

Sifting out the people who don't deserve to be in prison from the people who do is an age old dilemma.

That said, I honestly think that some people are beyond rehabilitation, and in a world that gets little justice, knowing cruel men are suffering in a harsh jail environment eases the minds of many victims and victims' relatives. To some men, compassion is not only undeserved, but useless.

Also, I find our take on compassion depends upon our experiences. We can say a serial killer deserves compassion and not punishment, what if he had affected our lives, we may feel differently about our prison system.

[lovgreno]

The beating could cause his death, he doesn't deserve to get away that easily if he is as bad as the guard implies he is. What to do with people like that is:

1. Keep them isolated from potential victims.

2. Make them realise how utterly stupid they have been, that is the worst thing I think you can do to them. Beating them is conterproductive in that way. I want them to live long and healthy with a lot of time to think about what they realy did. Beating is a distraction from their own personal hell that they don't deserve. Sure some people are way beyond rehabilitation but this may be one of them that are not.

I admit that I never had any contact with severe criminals and their terrible acts against someone I know. If I did I might have a different opinion.

[ThisIsMadness91]

The guy may be a criminal, but the guards were just beating him for their own sadistic pleasure, so I put a stop to it.

[Super ._. Shepard]

If Paragon - Stop



If Renegade - Let Continue

[Caihn]

Paragon and Paragade : I stop. 

[Jarlravn]

I always stop the beating, but only because I hate the sound.

[Mr.Caine]

XtremegamerHK47 wrote...

I stop him, hes gonna die in a few minutes anyway, might as well let him die in peace.

"The warden doesn't really kill prisoners; he doesn't make money that way."

[Badpie]

Depends on which Shepard I'm playing. I have 3.



My main, John, who is a Paragon with an "I don't have time for this crap" streak, stops the beating because he thinks torture is just unnecessary, then he uses the intimidate option to threaten the guy into stopping.



My super paragon Jane will stop it for the same reason, but then try to calmly explain to the guard why it's not beneficial to anyone.



My renegade gal, Raina doesn't give them praise but she doesn't stop it either. It's not her problem. She's got bigger fish to fry. And he probably deserved it anyway.

[PTPR]

Nightwriter wrote...

That's interesting.

Is it weird to say I think I could hurt someone who's hurt others without compromising who I am?

Is it weird to say I kind of do think prisons are there to punish people and not just to protect the innocent, or else we wouldn't have the death penalty?

You give me things to think on.

A lot of people say that and in truth some probably could. In reality though, (not trying to diminish whatever the prisoner did) it's like hitting a dog 10 minutes after they peed on the floor. The dog doesn't learn anything and all you realize is that you did it to satisfy your emotions, nothing more. The fact that you let something get to you like that, takes you down a peg or two.

Yes, prisons do punish people, but in the U.S Constitution, it states the only right the government has is to protect it's citizens. I don't know about other countries, but I am pretty sure it's close to the same. Death sentences were made for those that will not learn anything by staying in a box for the rest of their lives. Prisons are crowded already, so you might as well get rid the ones who won't gain anything. I will admit though, it is partly due for the victim to get satisfaction too.

[Nightwriter]

That analogy is a bit jarring. When a dog pees on my floor it doesn't know any better, it's an animal. A serial killer murdering or raping someone is not the same thing as a dog peeing on the floor.

[Marzillius]

I stop them to get more Paragon points.

[Mr.Caine]

Nightwriter wrote...

That analogy is a bit jarring. When a dog pees on my floor it doesn't know any better, it's an animal. A serial killer murdering or raping someone is not the same thing as a dog peeing on the floor.

Take a kid out the bush, he pees on the floor, but he doesn't know any better either.

[PTPR]

Nightwriter wrote...

That analogy is a bit jarring. When a dog pees on my floor it doesn't know any better, it's an animal. A serial killer murdering or raping someone is not the same thing as a dog peeing on the floor.

The dog is an animal. I'm not comparing it to a muderer, I'm comparing the one who beats the dog

I am not trying to diminish what the muderer did. The dog pees on the floor, you don't like it. Even though you know it won't teach him anything, you still hit the dog, not based on morals but on your own emotions.

Your not basing your judgement on what is right or wrong, you're basing it of of how you feel.

[Juls1616]

I always stop the beating

[The Elite Elite]

I always praise the guards for doing it. Based on what the other prisoner says "I murdered a few people, small time compared to most of the guys here," the guy most likely deserves worse. But, because I'm not allowed to go in there and execute the scumbag myself I let the guards have their fun. They're all going to die shortly anyway.(Well, outside of whomever sends you that e-mail saying they escaped because of you tearing the place apart)

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

ThisIsMadness91 wrote...

The guy may be a criminal, but the guards were just beating him for their own sadistic pleasure, so I put a stop to it.

He's being beaten, because he just murdered a valuable prisoner.

[Roamingmachine]

I let them continue.The people in Purgatory are waste of oxygen who got sent there after committing some pretty horrific crimes and whose governments were too chickensh*it to put a bullet in them.As for the guards...They're blue suns.Only reason they are not inmates is because they are a part of a well armed group.They're sociopaths to begin with.The prisoners and guards there deserve eachother.

Most people who want to be 'humane' to scum like the ones in purgatory (did you even listen what the scumbag in the next cell said he was in for?) have never been in contact with criminals or their victims.I deal with both on a professonial basis, though only to a lesser extent with the latter.Career criminals have made their choice.They got nothing but themselves to blame and not one i have ever met has regretted anything but getting caught.Save your pity for those who deserve it.

[The Elite Elite]

Roamingmachine wrote...

I let them continue.The people in Purgatory are waste of oxygen who got sent there after committing some pretty horrific crimes and whose governments were too chickensh*it to put a bullet in them.As for the guards...They're blue suns.Only reason they are not inmates is because they are a part of a well armed group.They're sociopaths to begin with.The prisoners and guards there deserve eachother.
Most people who want to be 'humane' to scum like the ones in purgatory (did you even listen what the scumbag in the next cell said he was in for?) have never been in contact with criminals or their victims.I deal with both on a professonial basis, though only to a lesser extent with the latter.Career criminals have made their choice.They got nothing but themselves to blame and not one i have ever met has regretted anything but getting caught.Save your pity for those who deserve it.

Could not agree with you more.

[PTPR]

Roamingmachine wrote...

I let them continue.The people in Purgatory are waste of oxygen who got sent there after committing some pretty horrific crimes and whose governments were too chickensh*it to put a bullet in them.As for the guards...They're blue suns.Only reason they are not inmates is because they are a part of a well armed group.They're sociopaths to begin with.The prisoners and guards there deserve eachother.
Most people who want to be 'humane' to scum like the ones in purgatory (did you even listen what the scumbag in the next cell said he was in for?) have never been in contact with criminals or their victims.I deal with both on a professonial basis, though only to a lesser extent with the latter.Career criminals have made their choice.They got nothing but themselves to blame and not one i have ever met has regretted anything but getting caught.Save your pity for those who deserve it.

I do not pity the prisoner. I am disappointed with how the guards handle him.

Let me ask you a question:
What do you gain from beating a prisoner who is already convicted?

[GodWood]

Yup.

He's none of my business and "He probably deserves worse".