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[AntiChri5]

maegi46 wrote...

I don't see the relevance of saying Ted Bundy or Hitler, those 2 would deserve whatever they got, this fellow in the game, we don't know what his crimes were or if he's even guilty, and the guards when questioned or is it the other prisoner says they just do it for fun basically. That's wrong.

At what point does someone completely lose their rights? How much does it take?

With the prisoner though, i cant help but remember how they are really just a slavery/extortion racket, and i have fought way too many Blue Suns to have any illusions about which side of the bars those "guards" should be on.

[xI extremist Ix]

Shandepared wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

f) Intervene, but only so you can kidnap Hitler and take him to Israel and charge people ten dollars per kick.

I'd charge a hell of a lot more than $10 dollars and live a rich man for the rest of my life.

You would have to be specific on where to kick, you don't want the first guy to kick him in the C1 or C2, he would die isntantly. And you wouldn't want him to kick him in the C3-C7 because he will either be paralyzed from the waist down or the neck down effectivly numbing him. Also groin shots should cost more.

[Nightwriter]

My chivalry falters as soon as I hear "This is a massage compared to what he did to his victims."

I just have a hard time feeling concered about the human rights of a person who has so cruelly violated the human rights of others for nothing more than personal pleasure.

[Arhka]

I stop them not out of pity for the victim, but trying to prevent the guards from going down to his level.

[Noisrevni0424]

Beating a prisoner really does nothing but put the individual in pain. And while he may deserve it, we, as intelligent beings, should reserve such punishment. If the criminal is serving a life sentence, he should do so in peace. The pain you could inflict physically is nothing compared to what he would go through near the end of his life, as he dies alone for the monstrosities he has performed.

[dreman9999]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Lets take the metaphor as far as we can, Godwin the crap out of your poor little thread, and ask:

If you saw Hitler being beaten up, would you

a) Feel sympathy and intervene.

Feel sympathy but not intervene.

c) Feel no sympathy but still intervene.

d) Feel no sympathy and do not intervene.

e) Join in.

f) Intervene, but only so you can kidnap Hitler and take him to Israel and charge people ten dollars per kick.

g)Give him a quick clean death.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I let them continue. There is a reason he is locked up after all.



Plus I love the "Yeah, sucks to be him" line.

[eternalnightmare13]

Nightwriter wrote...

Just curious.

On Purgatory, where you walk by and see the guards putting the stomp on the cellmate. Do you stop them?

I let 'em beat 'em.  BEAT THE BRAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Spartas Husky]

dreman9999 wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Lets take the metaphor as far as we can, Godwin the crap out of your poor little thread, and ask:

If you saw Hitler being beaten up, would you

a) Feel sympathy and intervene.

Feel sympathy but not intervene.

c) Feel no sympathy but still intervene.

d) Feel no sympathy and do not intervene.

e) Join in.

f) Intervene, but only so you can kidnap Hitler and take him to Israel and charge people ten dollars per kick.

g)Give him a quick clean death.

amen

[Nightwriter]

Noisrevni0424 wrote...

Beating a prisoner really does nothing but put the individual in pain. And while he may deserve it, we, as intelligent beings, should reserve such punishment. If the criminal is serving a life sentence, he should do so in peace. The pain you could inflict physically is nothing compared to what he would go through near the end of his life, as he dies alone for the monstrosities he has performed.

Some people would say peaceful confinement is not enough.

Part of the reason prison is just to me is I know it is an awful environment in which prisoners suffer.

[wizardryforever]

I usually stop them, though it is a hard choice to make.  I do think there is a line that prisoners cross that causes them to lose the vast majority of their rights.  However, that does not mean that it's okay for guards to beat a prisoner within an inch of his life.  There is just no reason to resort to such tactics.  There are other, more passive ways to punish him that hurt just as much (though maybe not physically) and don't necessarily involve doing the same types of things that criminals do themselves.

The main thing that makes it hard is hearing that the beating is "a massage compared to what his victims went through," and how the other prisoner said they were beating him because he offed someone in the shower the day before.  However, he also said they did it because the guy he killed was worth a lot to the warden.  Meaning they may be just as corrupt as he is, justifying their actions by saying that these prisoners are despicable animals and they are doing only what needs to be done.  Its a dirty job, and all that.

[Nightwriter]

That's how I felt too, wizard.

Another element that played into it for me was that I kind of felt (at least a little bit) like it wasn't my business.

I'm a visitor to this prison, it's not my place and I have no idea about the realities of how it's run or why. In real life, I probably would not have intervened at all. There would be a strong atmosphere of "it's not my business."

[Onyx Jaguar]

I make them stop

[Collider]

I told the guard that the inmate probably deserved it, out of an emotional dislike of criminals (tieing this to my Shepard, he is a colonist). I realize that had I known all of the details it's very possible if not likely my Shepard would have had a different opinion.

[KainrycKarr]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Basic human decency not enough for you?

Rights belonging to all sentient beings?

How about the fact that they are aliens beating on a human?

To be in that prison in the first place he must have done something pretty bad.

I reserve my sympathy for people who actually deserve it.

So in other words, you believe that certain actions are so heinous they result in the complete and total surrendering of human rights?

You too Night?

Tbh, I always used to stop it, but if you think about it....think about the crimes people are put in there for.

Child rapist or something equally awful? I'd say there are a few crimes worthy of that kind of mindless punishment.

[KainrycKarr]

Arhka wrote...

I stop them not out of pity for the victim, but trying to prevent the guards from going down to his level.

Though I do admit, this is a strong argument for me to continue stopping them.

[Tin Soldier]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Tbh, I always used to stop it, but if you think about it....think about the crimes people are put in there for.

Child rapist or something equally awful? I'd say there are a few crimes worthy of that kind of mindless punishment.

If you're going to allow a severe beating as punishment for a heinous crime don't you think you should find out if the person committed said crime?

[tmk]

I walk past, talk to the other prisoner, then come back and tell them to stop. Because to me, it seems they've been beating him up for a while already, don't really have a good reason for it, and are just looking for an excuse to entertain themselves. Of course in the bigger picture it probably doesn't matter either way, and besides this whole place is going down in a few minutes anyways... so might as well do what i believe is right.

[Tin Soldier]

Shandepared wrote...

Tin Soldier wrote...

If you're going to allow a severe beating as punishment for a heinous crime don't you think you should find out if the person committed said crime?

You're right, let's drop everything and do a background check on this anonymous prisoner who someone is paying a lot of money to keep locked up here. 'cause you know... I give a ****.

You bleeding hearts ought to be the ones in there.

You're slowing down.  That took eleven minutes.

[Christmas Ape]

Typically I end up talking the guards out of it for their sake, but really I'm looking to stick it to the Warden after talking with the guy in the next cell down. If they were beating him as part of the intake process because he's a goddamn monster with a human face and needs to be subdued, I might let it go, but for money? Fvck that two-bit slave trader.



More Renegade Shepards let it continue in hopes they kill him accidentally and cost the Warden his fee.

[Sursion]

I let it continue. Aside from being none of my damn business, if you ever talked to the other prisoners, you'd know that he killed someone in the showers. Not to mention he's at Purgatory in the first place, which means he probably did something terrible to begin with. He deserves it.

[MadCat221]

I notice that the Warden is a barefaced turian and figure it won't matter for much longer anyway and I'll be dropping these mooks soon anyway, but tell him to stop to remain morally consistent.



Heck, even Zaeed is disgusted by the beatings.



Let's do a What-If and pretend that the Warden wasn't genre-blind to the fact that people tend to die violently when they oppose Shepard. The sociopathy of the prisoners is locked away behind bars. What about the sociopathy bred in the guards by the beatings? Once their tour is up, they're back amongst civilians.

[Mavaras]

I was really just concerned with getting subject zero and getting off of that rock. Upsetting the natural balance in the prison just seemed unnecessary at that point in the mission.