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[Christmas Ape]

Sursion wrote...
I let it continue. Aside from being none of my damn business, if you ever talked to the other prisoners, you'd know that he killed someone in the showers. Not to mention he's at Purgatory in the first place, which means he probably did something terrible to begin with. He deserves it.

My only problem with this train of thought is that he killed someone you apparently think deserves a merciless beating - being in Purgatory after all - so...what's the big deal about the 'killed a man in the showers' part?

[Sursion]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Sursion wrote...
I let it continue. Aside from being none of my damn business, if you ever talked to the other prisoners, you'd know that he killed someone in the showers. Not to mention he's at Purgatory in the first place, which means he probably did something terrible to begin with. He deserves it.

My only problem with this train of thought is that he killed someone you apparently think deserves a merciless beating - being in Purgatory after all - so...what's the big deal about the 'killed a man in the showers' part?

Because he's clearly not learning his lesson. If simply being in the prison won't make him better himself, he must be beaten.

[MadCat221]

Sursion wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

Sursion wrote...
I let it continue. Aside from being none of my damn business, if you ever talked to the other prisoners, you'd know that he killed someone in the showers. Not to mention he's at Purgatory in the first place, which means he probably did something terrible to begin with. He deserves it.

My only problem with this train of thought is that he killed someone you apparently think deserves a merciless beating - being in Purgatory after all - so...what's the big deal about the 'killed a man in the showers' part?

Because he's clearly not learning his lesson. If simply being in the prison won't make him better himself, he must be beaten.

And beating him teaches... what, exactly?  'Don't get caught'?

Modifié par MadCat221, 19 juillet 2010 - 04:20 .

[Sursion]

MadCat221 wrote...

Sursion wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

Sursion wrote...
I let it continue. Aside from being none of my damn business, if you ever talked to the other prisoners, you'd know that he killed someone in the showers. Not to mention he's at Purgatory in the first place, which means he probably did something terrible to begin with. He deserves it.

My only problem with this train of thought is that he killed someone you apparently think deserves a merciless beating - being in Purgatory after all - so...what's the big deal about the 'killed a man in the showers' part?

Because he's clearly not learning his lesson. If simply being in the prison won't make him better himself, he must be beaten.

And beating him teaches... what, exactly?  'Don't get caught'?

No. It will make him think twice before going around killing people. It's not like he's going to get away with it inside of a prison. Much less a crowded shower.

[AntiChri5]

Sursion wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

Sursion wrote...
I let it continue. Aside from being none of my damn business, if you ever talked to the other prisoners, you'd know that he killed someone in the showers. Not to mention he's at Purgatory in the first place, which means he probably did something terrible to begin with. He deserves it.

My only problem with this train of thought is that he killed someone you apparently think deserves a merciless beating - being in Purgatory after all - so...what's the big deal about the 'killed a man in the showers' part?

Because he's clearly not learning his lesson. If simply being in the prison won't make him better himself, he must be beaten.

Beatings teach nothing, only make people very very angry and unable to unleash that anger on those who cause it, so they stab some poor bastard in the shower.

[Christmas Ape]

The odds are many of the Purgatory's prisoners are violently deranged, not merely cruel. Maximum security mental facility type people. But frankly, the Blue Suns don't care about your chemical imbalance and the Alliance doesn't care to repatriate criminal lunatics, so they get left there.



He's not "learning his lesson" because you can't beat or imprison psychotic tendencies out of a man.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I don't play Shepard as some sort of moral crusader, unless there was a reason for me to get involved here is all that needs to occur

Shepard: Sucks to be him.
Turian guard: Yep.
Shepard: Yep.
Shepard: I should go.

[MadCat221]

Sounds like you're one act of depravity short of belonging in that prison, Shandepared.

Prisons are a containment vessel for sociopathy.  Like what you're espousing.

Modifié par MadCat221, 19 juillet 2010 - 04:27 .

[Sursion]

If a child steals your credit card, you ground him. If your child goes and punches another kid, or pushes him over, you spank him.



Now picture this on a larger scale. It's called discipline.

[AntiChri5]

MadCat221 wrote...

Sounds like you're one act of depravity short of belonging in that prison, Shandepared.

Prisons are a containment vessel for sociopathy.  Like what you're espousing.

I like this human.

He understands.

[Sursion]

ReconTeam wrote...

I don't play Shepard as some sort of moral crusader, unless there was a reason for me to get involved here is all that needs to occur

Shepard: Sucks to be him.
Turian guard: Yep.
Shepard: Yep.
Shepard: I should go.

Exactly. None of my business.

[AntiChri5]

Sursion wrote...

If a child steals your credit card, you ground him. If your child goes and punches another kid, or pushes him over, you spank him.

Now picture this on a larger scale. It's called discipline.

Adults cannot really be disciplined.

[MadCat221]

Sursion wrote...

If a child steals your credit card, you ground him. If your child goes and punches another kid, or pushes him over, you spank him.

Now picture this on a larger scale. It's called discipline.

Now you send your older child to guard them and ensure they don't try more shennanigans.  They then decide to beat them mercilessly to inflict their own "punishment".

You are naive if you believe that the guards are "punishing".  They are indulging their want for violence on a target they deem acceptable. If it were a swift punch in the solar plexus and then a follow-up kick on the ground... maybe it would be punishment.  But that guard was wailing on the guy again and again and again and again and again and again and again.

Modifié par MadCat221, 19 juillet 2010 - 04:34 .

[AntiChri5]

Shandepared wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Beatings teach nothing, only make people very very angry and unable to unleash that anger on those who cause it, so they stab some poor bastard in the shower.

Not if you cripple them in the process.

So why not just cut off all their arms and legs?

They are no threat at all that way.

[tmk]

Sursion wrote...

If a child steals your credit card, you ground him. If your child goes and punches another kid, or pushes him over, you spank him.

Now picture this on a larger scale. It's called discipline.

It's never actually explained why he killed that guy in the shower. Could've very well been self-defense.

[Sursion]

Prisons exist as punishment. They're designed to make people sit down and think about where it all went wrong. I'm well aware that quite a lot of people do not do this, and in those cases, they require more punishment.



What's the alternative? Letting them walk away?

[Sursion]

If they were beating the crap out of him for no reason, then yes, I would of stopped it. Infact, I did stop it on my first playthrough. Then I learned that he killed a guy, and I understood why they were doing what they did.

[Inquisitor Recon]

AntiChri5 wrote...
So why not just cut off all their arms and legs?

They are no threat at all that way.

Just move up the execution date. Why should I feel any pity for these maximum security prisoners? If you could read their crimes I am sure you would see they are a bunch of animals.

[MadCat221]

ReconTeam wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...
So why not just cut off all their arms and legs?

They are no threat at all that way.

Just move up the execution date. Why should I feel any pity for these maximum security prisoners? If you could read their crimes I am sure you would see they are a bunch of animals.

So why turn yourself into one while guarding these animals?

[AntiChri5]

Sursion wrote...

Prisons exist as punishment. They're designed to make people sit down and think about where it all went wrong. I'm well aware that quite a lot of people do not do this, and in those cases, they require more punishment.

What's the alternative? Letting them walk away?

No, they do not. People simply like to think they do.

Prison exist for two reasons.

1. Remove dangerous individuals from the general population.

2. Rehabilitate the inmates.

[dreman9999]

Sursion wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

Sursion wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

Sursion wrote...
I let it continue. Aside from being none of my damn business, if you ever talked to the other prisoners, you'd know that he killed someone in the showers. Not to mention he's at Purgatory in the first place, which means he probably did something terrible to begin with. He deserves it.

My only problem with this train of thought is that he killed someone you apparently think deserves a merciless beating - being in Purgatory after all - so...what's the big deal about the 'killed a man in the showers' part?

Because he's clearly not learning his lesson. If simply being in the prison won't make him better himself, he must be beaten.

And beating him teaches... what, exactly?  'Don't get caught'?

No. It will make him think twice before going around killing people. It's not like he's going to get away with it inside of a prison. Much less a crowded shower.

Ha haha ha.....Nope. The prisoner   next to him tells you he gets meaner after  EACH beating and when he's relesed he gets set back. So that beating does nothing.

[Christmas Ape]

Why is everybody so hung up on the dead guy in the showers? It's not like the standardized punishment for homicide aboard the Purgatory is a ten minute beating. He's being punished because the dead man was worth more on the slave market than the guy getting beaten.
He's not being punished for murdering a man, he's being punished for breaking some of Kuril's inventory.

Modifié par Christmas Ape, 19 juillet 2010 - 04:37 .

[Sursion]

dreman9999 wrote...

Sursion wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

Sursion wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

Sursion wrote...
I let it continue. Aside from being none of my damn business, if you ever talked to the other prisoners, you'd know that he killed someone in the showers. Not to mention he's at Purgatory in the first place, which means he probably did something terrible to begin with. He deserves it.

My only problem with this train of thought is that he killed someone you apparently think deserves a merciless beating - being in Purgatory after all - so...what's the big deal about the 'killed a man in the showers' part?

Because he's clearly not learning his lesson. If simply being in the prison won't make him better himself, he must be beaten.

And beating him teaches... what, exactly?  'Don't get caught'?

No. It will make him think twice before going around killing people. It's not like he's going to get away with it inside of a prison. Much less a crowded shower.

Ha haha ha.....Nope. The prisoner   next to him tells you he gets meaner after  EACH beating and when he's relesed he gets set back. So that beating does nothing.

He was talking about the guards actually. The guards get meaner the longer they beat, so they rotate them out.