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[Sursion]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Sursion wrote...

Prisons exist as punishment. They're designed to make people sit down and think about where it all went wrong. I'm well aware that quite a lot of people do not do this, and in those cases, they require more punishment.

What's the alternative? Letting them walk away?

No, they do not. People simply like to think they do.

Prison exist for two reasons.

1. Remove dangerous individuals from the general population.

2. Rehabilitate the inmates.

And how do you rehabilitate when being in the prison doesn't do the job? You have to take more extreme measures.

[MadCat221]

Sursion wrote...


He was talking about the guards actually. The guards get meaner the longer they beat, so they rotate them out.

Which means that in addition to containing sociopathic individuals, it is also generating them.

Sursion wrote...
And how do you rehabilitate when being in the
prison doesn't do the job? You have to take more extreme
measures.

You fail psychology forever.

If rehab fails, you simply contain them until they die.  Much better at festering that individual's sociopathy by beating them and making new ones out of the 'punishers' as well.

Modifié par MadCat221, 19 juillet 2010 - 04:42 .

[thegreateski]

I leave them be. till the next prisoner I talk to tells me about the whole guard/anger/prisoner/shanking thing anyway.



Then I have a reason to get involved . . . if I feel like it.

[AntiChri5]

Shandepared wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

So why not just cut off all their arms and legs?

They are no threat at all that way.

Then he can't feed himself.

Worried about his wellbeing, Shand?

How noble of you.

[AntiChri5]

Sursion wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Sursion wrote...

Prisons exist as punishment. They're designed to make people sit down and think about where it all went wrong. I'm well aware that quite a lot of people do not do this, and in those cases, they require more punishment.

What's the alternative? Letting them walk away?

No, they do not. People simply like to think they do.

Prison exist for two reasons.

1. Remove dangerous individuals from the general population.

2. Rehabilitate the inmates.

And how do you rehabilitate when being in the prison doesn't do the job? You have to take more extreme measures.

Seriously?

Prisons arent magical, this stuff takes effort.

[thegreateski]

Bruises fade. Bloody stumps do not.

[Sursion]

MadCat221 wrote...

Sursion wrote...


He was talking about the guards actually. The guards get meaner the longer they beat, so they rotate them out.

Which means that in addition to containing sociopathic individuals, it is also generating them.

If the guards become bloodthirsty from dishing out beatings, I'd be disturbed about the kind of people I'm hiring. This should be something they have to do, not something they want to do. Normally I'd say the Warden should hire better people, but considering what kind of man he is, I can see where it comes from.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Prisons worked better when they actually made the prisoners work and didn't give them the luxuries of TVs and weight-rooms, etc.

[AntiChri5]

Shandepared wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Worried about his wellbeing, Shand?

If he can't feed himself then he costs me extra money.

Food tube.

Straight into the mouth.

[thegreateski]

Hmm . . . you know . . . odds are we shot and killed those guards and that prisoner on our way out of the facility.

[dreman9999]

Sursion wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sursion wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

Sursion wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

Sursion wrote...
I let it continue. Aside from being none of my damn business, if you ever talked to the other prisoners, you'd know that he killed someone in the showers. Not to mention he's at Purgatory in the first place, which means he probably did something terrible to begin with. He deserves it.

My only problem with this train of thought is that he killed someone you apparently think deserves a merciless beating - being in Purgatory after all - so...what's the big deal about the 'killed a man in the showers' part?

Because he's clearly not learning his lesson. If simply being in the prison won't make him better himself, he must be beaten.

And beating him teaches... what, exactly?  'Don't get caught'?

No. It will make him think twice before going around killing people. It's not like he's going to get away with it inside of a prison. Much less a crowded shower.

Ha haha ha.....Nope. The prisoner   next to him tells you he gets meaner after  EACH beating and when he's relesed he gets set back. So that beating does nothing.

He was talking about the guards actually. The guards get meaner the longer they beat, so they rotate them out.

No, he was refering to the prisoner  .........proof


Not they don't rotate guards through prisons.

[AntiChri5]

Sursion wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

Sursion wrote...


He was talking about the guards actually. The guards get meaner the longer they beat, so they rotate them out.

Which means that in addition to containing sociopathic individuals, it is also generating them.

If the guards become bloodthirsty from dishing out beatings, I'd be disturbed about the kind of people I'm hiring. This should be something they have to do, not something they want to do. Normally I'd say the Warden should hire better people, but considering what kind of man he is, I can see where it comes from.

You would be amazed, simply amazed, at how quickly it happens. To simple, "normal" people.

Besides which, that is the point of the beatings.

[MadCat221]

Sursion wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

Sursion wrote...


He was talking about the guards actually. The guards get meaner the longer they beat, so they rotate them out.

Which means that in addition to containing sociopathic individuals, it is also generating them.

If the guards become bloodthirsty from dishing out beatings, I'd be disturbed about the kind of people I'm hiring. This should be something they have to do, not something they want to do. Normally I'd say the Warden should hire better people, but considering what kind of man he is, I can see where it comes from.

Remember that quote from Neitzche?  "He who fights monsters..."

Better to just not involve such savage corporal punishment to begin with if you want your guards to remain safe to discharge back into society.

[thegreateski]

dreman9999 wrote...

Sursion wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sursion wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

Sursion wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

Sursion wrote...
I let it continue. Aside from being none of my damn business, if you ever talked to the other prisoners, you'd know that he killed someone in the showers. Not to mention he's at Purgatory in the first place, which means he probably did something terrible to begin with. He deserves it.

My only problem with this train of thought is that he killed someone you apparently think deserves a merciless beating - being in Purgatory after all - so...what's the big deal about the 'killed a man in the showers' part?

Because he's clearly not learning his lesson. If simply being in the prison won't make him better himself, he must be beaten.

And beating him teaches... what, exactly?  'Don't get caught'?

No. It will make him think twice before going around killing people. It's not like he's going to get away with it inside of a prison. Much less a crowded shower.

Ha haha ha.....Nope. The prisoner   next to him tells you he gets meaner after  EACH beating and when he's relesed he gets set back. So that beating does nothing.

He was talking about the guards actually. The guards get meaner the longer they beat, so they rotate them out.

No, he was refering to the prisoner  .........proof


Not they don't rotate guards through prisons.

Not to be a jerk but . . . are you you dumb?

[Sursion]

dreman9999 wrote...

Sursion wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sursion wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

Sursion wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

Sursion wrote...
I let it continue. Aside from being none of my damn business, if you ever talked to the other prisoners, you'd know that he killed someone in the showers. Not to mention he's at Purgatory in the first place, which means he probably did something terrible to begin with. He deserves it.

My only problem with this train of thought is that he killed someone you apparently think deserves a merciless beating - being in Purgatory after all - so...what's the big deal about the 'killed a man in the showers' part?

Because he's clearly not learning his lesson. If simply being in the prison won't make him better himself, he must be beaten.

And beating him teaches... what, exactly?  'Don't get caught'?

No. It will make him think twice before going around killing people. It's not like he's going to get away with it inside of a prison. Much less a crowded shower.

Ha haha ha.....Nope. The prisoner   next to him tells you he gets meaner after  EACH beating and when he's relesed he gets set back. So that beating does nothing.

He was talking about the guards actually. The guards get meaner the longer they beat, so they rotate them out.

No, he was refering to the prisoner  .........proof


Not they don't rotate guards through prisons.

Actual quote from the video you just posted:

Funny thing though. The more a guard does it, the meaner he get's. So they rotate them through.

To me, that means they rotate the guards so that they don't get too insane.

[thegreateski]

Shandepared wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Food tube.

Straight into the mouth.

You are such an unintelligent man. It's a pleasure to converse with you.

Okay, let me explain this in greater detail so you can try and grasp it.

If I need a machine or an extra person to feed this miserable piece of murderous flesh then I'm losing money. It's cheaper to slap some slop on a tray and slide it through as lot in his cell.

Pad on the fact you would have to cloth and bath the prisoner.

That's more money.

Modifié par thegreateski, 19 juillet 2010 - 04:50 .

[AntiChri5]

Shandepared wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Food tube.

Straight into the mouth.

You are such an unintelligent man. It's a pleasure to converse with you.

Okay, let me explain this in greater detail so you can try and grasp it.

If I need a machine or an extra person to feed this miserable piece of murderous flesh then I'm losing money. It's cheaper to slap some slop on a tray and slide it through as lot in his cell.

You really cant tell that im taking the ******?

The "chop his limbs off" bit was to see how far you would go.

At that point you should simply kill them

[thegreateski]

Welcome to the internet. Sarcasm is not conveyed well through the medium of text.

[MadCat221]

*Nevermind, AntiChr handled it already*

Modifié par MadCat221, 19 juillet 2010 - 04:51 .

[MadCat221]

Sursion wrote...

Actual quote from the video you just posted:

Funny thing though. The more a guard does it, the meaner he get's. So they rotate them through.

To me, that means they rotate the guards so that they don't get too insane.

How about "ban the beatings so you don't waste money rotating guards"?

And it seems Shand is still oblivious to the fact that he fell for a Batman Gambit...

Modifié par MadCat221, 19 juillet 2010 - 04:53 .

[thegreateski]

MadCat221 wrote...

Sursion wrote...

Actual quote from the video you just posted:

Funny thing though. The more a guard does it, the meaner he get's. So they rotate them through.

To me, that means they rotate the guards so that they don't get too insane.

How about "ban the beatings so you don't waste money rotating guards"?

It doesn't cost money to rotate guards?