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[Riona45]

errant_knight wrote...


Oh my, you really must be new to the interwebz....

You keep thinking that if it will help you sleep well tonight.

[Kastlefeer]

I'm a total hater right now; how does this game come out in 8 months?

[Sarkus]

Am I the only one amused that despite all the angst on these boards, over half the poll respondents so far have said that they either love everything or that it's too early to know?



I'm in the "too early to know" group, by the way.

[17thknight]

Sarkus wrote...

Am I the only one amused that despite all the angst on these boards, over half the poll respondents so far have said that they either love everything or that it's too early to know?

I'm in the "too early to know" group, by the way.

It just depresses me. They/'re obviously not going to change the awful dialogue wheel or the abhorrent decision to take away any form of character generation and force you into a mass-effect style story.

Let's hope this is the last time they do **** ****, because I will vomit if they turn the rest of the series into this garbage.

[LPPrince]

17thknight wrote...

Sarkus wrote...

Am I the only one amused that despite all the angst on these boards, over half the poll respondents so far have said that they either love everything or that it's too early to know?

I'm in the "too early to know" group, by the way.

It just depresses me. They/'re obviously not going to change the awful dialogue wheel or the abhorrent decision to take away any form of character generation and force you into a mass-effect style story.

Let's hope this is the last time they do **** ****, because I will vomit if they turn the rest of the series into this garbage.

I would equate your opinion to, "Jumping the gun".

That, and my God you are being overly hostile. You know, you don't HAVE to buy the game.

Its not like David Gaider took a dump on your porch and smiled as he took off in his 1986 Honda Accord with a spoiler mounted on the back.

[17thknight]

Wrong thread.

Modifié par 17thknight, 19 juillet 2010 - 06:44 .

[Chairon de Celeste]

ok - wrong thread it is then

Modifié par Chairon de Celeste, 19 juillet 2010 - 06:55 .

[17thknight]

LPPrince wrote...

I would equate your opinion to, "Jumping the gun".

That, and my God you are being overly hostile. You know, you don't HAVE to buy the game.

Its not like David Gaider took a dump on your porch and smiled as he took off in his 1986 Honda Accord with a spoiler mounted on the back.

I am not at all jupming the gun. They have turned the story and style of the game into Mass Effect. They are emulating it for ... whatever reason.

I'm terrified, and hopefully I'm wrong, that this is going to turn into the exact same thing as Mass Effect...one stupid hero plodding through a "Trilogy". Any form of character creation and RPG elements will be slashed to pieces in favor of "streamlined" and "cinematic" gameplay. It'll be very very sad.

It's the direction Mass Effect took with the sequel. They took 2 steps forward and 6 steps backwards. The slashing of any RPG elements, stats, etc. was very very very very very sad. As DA2 continues to move in the direction of Mass Effect I will continue to weep for the one, the ONE, new RPG on the market that hearkened back to the days of Baldur's Gate.

Those days in gaming are just...dead. They're dead and gone.

The twitchy 12 year old console gamer is the only market anyone cares about anymore. It's sad.

[LPPrince]

17thknight wrote...

LPPrince wrote...
I would equate your opinion to, "Jumping the gun".

That, and my God you are being overly hostile. You know, you don't HAVE to buy the game.

Its not like David Gaider took a dump on your porch and smiled as he took off in his 1986 Honda Accord with a spoiler mounted on the back.

1. I'm not jumping the gun. I'm complaining about something that was in DA:O and saying I hope it died with DA:O. How is that jumping the gun?

2. You're damn right I'm hostile about it. The next thing you know we'll have billboards advertising crap in the middle of a Dragon Age game. Saying that they couldn't put Warden's Keep in the game, but they had time to shove in an NPC who demanded you shell out cash for it was ABHORRENT. It was absolutely vile. I would gladly, GLADLY, punch whoever made that decision right in the teeth.

If it "wasn't ready" then they should've left the stupid NPC out of the game. But yet the DLC was available at launch, along with the NPC begging you to fork over money. It was disgusting.

You also don't have to get the DLC. No one is forcing you to do anything.

You can easily say, "I won't purchase this game/DLC"

For example, I play Modern Warfare 2.

I absolutely refuse to purchase either map pack because both are horridly overpriced.

I will not pay $30 for 10 more maps. That to me is ridiculous.

You can do the same. Don't purchase DA2. Don't get Warden's Keep. You're acting like Bioware is charging you monthly to play DAO. Now that would be something to complain about.

The Devs go out of their way to help people. To make them happy. Sure, they're never going to make everyone happy, and they will always make bad decisions as any dev team does, but that's no reason to go insane on them.

They try their best. And Bioware's best is very very VERY good.

I respect them enough to voice my concerns in a mature manner, sans cussing or frothing at the mouth.

I suggest you do the same should you expect to be taken seriously and listened to.

They're friendly people, once you get to know them.

Hell, I owe 4 of them A LOT right now. Whether I succeed or fail at my goal, they helped me every step of the way, even though we've never met and I am worth just as much to them as any other fan.

My advice to you, in a few words-

Relax. Calm down.

Take a moment to understand that its not that bad. Yes, you have concerns, but these concerns can be laid to rest if you just wait for more information.

If you don't, you'll always be bitter, and that's not good for me, other forumites, the developers, and most importantly, yourself.

[17thknight]

LPPrince wrote...
They try their best. And Bioware's best is very very VERY good.

They're friendly people, once you get to know them.

1. I thought I was in a different thread. Was wrong response to your post.
2. Yes, their best is usually a good game. That doesn't mean it's a good RPG, that doesn't mean it's the direction the fans want it to go in. Imagine if DA3 was an exact clone of Call of Duty. Sure, it might be an amazing game in its own right, but it would be an affront to the fans of Dragon Age.

3. Yes I know they are nice. I used to chat with many of them, frequently, back when KotOR came out. I like to think I was pretty instrumental in the decision that led to KotOR 2  having the opening conversation that allowed you to shape how the last game had been. Which is WHY I bother to voice my concerns, I know they used to listen. Considering the EA monster (not being remotely as horrible as Activision, but still) I have my doubts.

The Bioware of 10 years ago whould never, never, NEVER have shoved in a random NPC into their game, destroying the atmosphere, who demanded you fork over real money for DLC. They would have never done that. I can't imagine it was their decision, but if it was, it's all the more sad.

[17thknight]

17thknight wrote...

LPPrince wrote...
They try their best. And Bioware's best is very very VERY good.

They're friendly people, once you get to know them.

1. I thought I was in a different thread. Was wrong response to your post. So you're quoting something that shouldn't even be here.
2. Yes, their best is usually a good game. That doesn't mean it's a good RPG, that doesn't mean it's the direction the fans want it to go in. Imagine if DA3 was an exact clone of Call of Duty. Sure, it might be an amazing game in its own right, but it would be an affront to the fans of Dragon Age.

3. Yes I know they are nice. I used to chat with many of them, frequently, back when KotOR came out. I like to think I was pretty instrumental in the decision that led to KotOR 2  having the opening conversation that allowed you to shape how the last game had been. Which is WHY I bother to voice my concerns, I know they used to listen. Considering the EA monster (not being remotely as horrible as Activision, but still) I have my doubts.

The Bioware of 10 years ago whould never, never, NEVER have shoved in a random NPC into their game, destroying the atmosphere, who demanded you fork over real money for DLC. They would have never done that. I can't imagine it was their decision, but if it was, it's all the more sad.

[LPPrince]

That idea of what the Bioware of 10 years ago was?



Is an opinion. No fan will ever know the full inner workings of the company unless they become a part of it.

[aries1001]

There's about 220 votes right now. About 25% of these are very positive and about 25% say 'it's way too soon to tell.About 12% dislike the new art direction, and about 6-8% dislike either the ME-dialogue wheel or the main protagonist and the change of location.



I did vote that 'it is too early to tell'. I feel that with the current info, I can't say anything either positive or very negative about thes upcoming Dragon Age 2 game.

[DPB]

17thknight wrote...

3. Yes I know they are nice. I used to chat with many of them, frequently, back when KotOR came out. I like to think I was pretty instrumental in the decision that led to KotOR 2  having the opening conversation that allowed you to shape how the last game had been. Which is WHY I bother to voice my concerns, I know they used to listen. Considering the EA monster (not being remotely as horrible as Activision, but still) I have my doubts.

That wasn't Bioware.

[Games4ever]

I'm not a fan of Bioware/EA, But I did enjoy Dragon age very much,despite graphics was passé



had big expectations when DA2 was revealed,but my expectations decreased seriously when I saw the screenshots.



Only a fan of Rockstar me :-)

[aries1001]

As others have stated, KOTOR 2, was not made by Bioware, it was made by Obsidian (with an engine developed by Bioware, however).



As for Bioware and DLCs, we'll never know. The industry has changed a lot in the previous ten years. Bioware is not the same company it was 10 years ago (neither am I, or any os us, for that matter). The old Bioware might not even be here today, since many of the game companies from years ago are now dead and gone forever. And exits only in the long for-gotten nostalgic memory of the (old) rpg players of their games. 10 years ago, maybe the gaming industry were still making 'game for gamers', forgetting the business side of things, not saving up money to pay for things in the long run, but spending them all at once, when they got them from say EA.



As for Bioware 'NEVER have shoved in a random NPC' (don't you mean player character, the pc?) in a game, I don't exactly agree with you.

In the Baldur's Gate games, you were a random player character who just happened to be thrown into events you couldn't control yourself. It is true that you chreated the character, even the race of said character. But all other aspects of the character you also controlled. You can still do that in Dragon Age 2, the only thing you can't control is that Hawke has to be 'a human'. You can still controls his hair, his face, and most importantly he can become a she. This means you get to control her hair, her face and what length ner nose is etc.



As for the narrative structure (the way the story is told), I find it very refreshing that Bioware dares to try something new, just like they did with the Origin stories in DA: Origins. It'll be interesting to see how they'll the tale this time around...

[StreetlightEagle]

I went for 'fanboi' but I wouldn't really say that. I like everything I'm hearing so far and I approve of the overall direction but it's way too early to call myself a fanboy. Still, I wouldn't go for 'exasperated' either.

[YourFriendlyTarrasque]

Haven't formed my opinion yet. The funny thing with all the informations that have come out until now is that they basically said nothing about the changes to the gameplay.



Yeah, I'm not thrilled about the fact that there's only one race playable, but the little we do know about the story sounds refreshing compared to Bioware's standards (ancient evil rising and all those little clichés, though, of course, Bioware is far by being the only developer using them, otherwise they wouldn't be clichés in the first place).



So yeah, at this point I'm neutral towards the game. I won't comment on the awful screenshots since it's evident that they screwed up the marketing by releasing them so early.

[Tirigon]

Addai67 wrote...

I would never hate a kitten, for instance.  If a dev was riding it, I'd even try to rescue it.

I hate kittens, if only because every troll posts a kitten picture that´s soooo cuuuuuute and haz cookies at least once per day.
Btw, I hate people who say "haz".

[AlanC9]

17thknight wrote...
3. Yes I know they are nice. I used to chat with many of them, frequently, back when KotOR came out. I like to think I was pretty instrumental in the decision that led to KotOR 2  having the opening conversation that allowed you to shape how the last game had been. Which is WHY I bother to voice my concerns, I know they used to listen. Considering the EA monster (not being remotely as horrible as Activision, but still) I have my doubts.

The Bioware of 10 years ago whould never, never, NEVER have shoved in a random NPC into their game, destroying the atmosphere, who demanded you fork over real money for DLC. They would have never done that. I can't imagine it was their decision, but if it was, it's all the more sad.

Besides BG, as mentioned above, didn't KotOR have a protagonist who was every bit as restricted as the one in DA2?

And what on earth makes you think that Bio wouldn't have charged for DLC if the concept and infrastructure had been around back then?

Modifié par AlanC9, 19 juillet 2010 - 03:53 .

[Wishpig]

Awwww... you really didn't have the option for me. I'm optimistic, but dislike the lack of multiple orgins to pick from, I like the voiced character, and I'm neutural considering the forced shepard like character (major benefits and drawbacks.)

So i went with fanboi! Although I wouldn't say I love it...

[TheSpaceKraken]

Super excited for DA2 but not a fan of the conversation wheel.

[Fantazm1978]

Not a massive fan of the screenshots, though seeing them move might make them look better. Assuming the backgrounds are just placeholders for now.



Other than that, not bothered. I'll buy it, I'll enjoy it. Of that much I'm pretty certain. The most important thing to me is the storyline.

[Tirigon]

17thknight wrote...

The twitchy 12 year old console gamer is the only market anyone cares about anymore. It's sad.

Most console games aren´t even allowed for 12 years old people......:happy:

[BomimoDK]

Exasperated: I think it's too early to form an opinion.

if people knew how to form an opinion properly, this one would be the only one voted yet. Thanks to vaguely founded panic and overinterpretation, it is not.