931 réponses à ce sujet

[Ksandor]

You can't bring Shepard back from dead -- it is impossible.

If you are brain dead your neurons and neural pathways and protein based memory molecules decompose. Since nobody knows what protein based memories and neural pathways Shepard had in life reconstructing them is impossible (you can't reconstruct memories and the personality).

Besides quantum mechanics says 100% reproduction is impossible. Especially when it comes to a complex system like a thinking brain. Unless there was some sort of hibernation mechanism in Shepard's suit reviving a brain dead person is impossible.

If I were Bioware I would create circumstances where Shepard's brain could be salvaged more or less intact. At least they did not clearly state that Shepard fell to the planet. No "body" can survive that. Simple impact would pulverize the body even if the atmosphere does not contain oxygen so the body would not burn. Maybe Shepard's body was in orbit and his body suit's emergency systems preserved him to some degree. Any specifics about this in Redemption comic?

The solution would be to imply that Shepard's body recovered from orbit and the suit protected him from extreme decomposition -- especially an emergency mechanism which protected his brain. This would not directly conflict with Jacob when he said Shepard was dead as dead can be and Miranda when he summarizes the extensive damage Shepard suffered. If your brain is preserved bringing you back from dead should be possible with future tech.

I wish they just said that Shepard was in comma for 2 years. That was the most plausible solution but Bioware wanted to scandalize audience with this flashy death idea so instead they have chosen this Hollywood no brainer. They should retcon this without conflicting Mass Effect 2.

[SandTrout]

A wizard did it.

[Teknor]

Oh god, another person with inability to suspend disbelief.

[Kronner]

What is a common procedure today seemed impossible 200 years ago too. Who's to say this or that will not be possible in 2185?

[Teknor]

They should also retcon the idea of mass effect, you know the main idea behind the game since it's technically impossible.

[Ksandor]

Mass effect fields are more plausible than bringing Shepard back from dead. You just don't understand how complex brain is. As Penrose stated in Emperor's New Mind reconstructing a brain is impossible. You may have the fastest quantum computer out there and still it would not be enough. Heisenberg's Principle of Uncertainty makes sure of that. You just don't understand the scientific implications here. I can suspend disbelief for mass effect fields but not for resurrecting people. This is science fiction dammit not epic fantasy! Why not retcon it? Star Wars does, Star Trek does why Bioware should not?

Modifié par Ksandor, 19 juillet 2010 - 07:46 .

[SandTrout]

Really, just be happy that we probably won't need to Retcon the First Contact War or something like that.

Edit:The Human brain is not as complicated as you make it out to be since once dead, especially in a non-oxygen enviroment that would prevent bacterial decomposition, it is no longer a dynamic system, it is a static one. A static system can be mapped over time then rebuilt to some semblence of what it probably used to be. Throw in the biological equivilent of a jump start, and you have your necromancy. The body is designed to repair its self within limits, so all you need to do is get the body back within the 'green zone' and it will finish the job.

Modifié par SandTrout, 19 juillet 2010 - 07:50 .

[Christmas Ape]

Hear hear!

Additionally, I wish to stand once and for all against the utterly preposterous notion that any vehicle heavier than air would be capable of flying under its own power!

Good day, gentlemen!

[Teknor]

Ksandor wrote...

Mass effect fields are more plausible then bringing Shepard back from dead.

Really? Because mass effect fields violate every foundation of physics. 

[Kroesis-]

Teknor wrote...

Oh god, another person with inability to suspend disbelief.

This.

[SpiderFan1217]

Dear Op,



If you honestly think Bioware will retcon a game that is onw of their highest rated and best selling titles, your need mental help. Also, you arin't prevy to the technology that they have in the ME universe. Just because we lack the ability to repair a decayed brain, doesn't mean they do.



SpiderFan1217.



P.S. Thank you for wasting everyone's time.

[CroGamer002]

Teknor wrote...

Oh god, another person with inability to suspend disbelief.

^
l
This.




Did anyone complained in Star Wars that how is possible that Death Star can destroy planets?


No, so shut up.

Modifié par Mesina2, 19 juillet 2010 - 07:59 .

[SpiderFan1217]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Hear hear!
Additionally, I wish to stand once and for all against the utterly preposterous notion that any vehicle heavier than air would be capable of flying under its own power!
Good day, gentlemen!

lol,
SpiderFan1217 Approves (+10)

[Ksandor]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Dear Op,

If you honestly think Bioware will retcon a game that is onw of their highest rated and best selling titles, your need mental help. Also, you arin't prevy to the technology that they have in the ME universe. Just because we lack the ability to repair a decayed brain, doesn't mean they do.

SpiderFan1217.

P.S. Thank you for wasting everyone's time.

You just proved your scientific ignorance. Of course as long as there are people like you out there companies like Bioware won't be forced to improve their crap scenarios. Seriously if Hollywood crap is enough for you then you don't deserve better. Actually I am wasting my time discussing this with you. You can't understand me. But I won't waste my breath. Feel free to rant in the air.

[aimlessgun]

Here's the solution: just imagine they said the right things in the game.

Seriously, they're not going to retcon it for you. If I disagree with some detail in a game, I just imagine that they did it correctly.

EDIT: And yes I agree that it's a little dumb. But look, there was SO MUCH dumb stuff in ME2. If you're hung up on this, I'm not sure how you made it through the game.

Modifié par aimlessgun, 19 juillet 2010 - 08:13 .

[SpiderFan1217]

Ksandor wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Dear Op,

If you honestly think Bioware will retcon a game that is onw of their highest rated and best selling titles, your need mental help. Also, you arin't prevy to the technology that they have in the ME universe. Just because we lack the ability to repair a decayed brain, doesn't mean they do.

SpiderFan1217.

P.S. Thank you for wasting everyone's time.

You just proved your scientific ignorance. Of course as long as there are people like you out there companies like Bioware won't be forced to improve their crap scenarios. Seriously if Hollywood crap is enough for you then you don't deserve better. Actually I am wasting my time discussing this with you. You can't understand me. But I won't waste my breath. Feel free to rant in the air.

What's Hollywood got to do with anything? I understand science just fine. I also realise it would be moronic of me to assume that all the laws of science and medicine man has in place to be true. Once upon a time science said that the earth was flat, bees could be created out of thin air, and spontanious combustion was possible. I'm smart enough to realise how improbable it is that they could bring him back to life, but I'm also smart enough to keep an open mind about science and tech I know nothing about and do not understand.

[Jigero]

Lets see Mass Effect was set 100 + years in the future. Hmmmm lets see 100 years Ago the idea of putting a man on the moon was impossible, instantaneous communication on a global scale was impossible, splitting atoms to harness massive amounts of energy was impossible, and so on. If any thing time and time we constantly learn there is no such thing as "impossible".



First of all, Miranda said he was exposed to vacuum for prolonged periods which means he never fell into the planet.



Second of All. Cloning a blank brain then re inscribing memories would not be so hard to do in Mass Effect's Setting. Memories and Experience are psychically recorded in the brain, We now in this day in age are on the Verge of unlocking how these path ways work. Now given a 100+ years and also aided by advanced Prothean technology and a Race of Aliens (The Asari) who are capable of melding minds with humans and reading memories, By the time Mass Effect 2 rolls around Humans understanding of the human brain is probably infinite.



Now Shepard was in the military and with out a doubt was probably gone through regular medical checks where they probably more then a few times where able to brain scans and these brain scans probably carry ever bit of data one could know about Shepards brain and all it's pathways and make up. Cerberus being able to acquire this data would probably be a very easy thing for them.



So then how do we inscribe the memories back on to blank clone of Shepard's brain, well that's actually pretty easy, The Protheans had such technology, the Beacon was a perfect example of that. Not only them but with out a doubt the Reapers where probably capable of this too. Cerberus got to work with Sovereign's wreckage and probably recovered some of the reaper's tech And who's to say Cerberus wasn't able to reverse engineer some kind of tech that could shape a brain how they please.



So in conclusion with the combination of Prothean and Reaper Tech, and a basically perfect schematic of Shepard's brain, rebuilding it wouldn't have been impossible.

[Kroesis-]

Funny I always though the Fi in Sci-Fi stood for Fiction. As in, made up...

[CroGamer002]

Mass Effect is fictional universe like Star Wars.

I pretty much think that Force and Biotic powers are impossible.

[SpiderFan1217]

Jigero wrote...

Lets see Mass Effect was set 100 + years in the future. Hmmmm lets see 100 years Ago the idea of putting a man on the moon was impossible, instantaneous communication on a global scale was impossible, splitting atoms to harness massive amounts of energy was impossible, and so on. If any thing time and time we constantly learn there is no such thing as "impossible".

First of all, Miranda said he was exposed to vacuum for prolonged periods which means he never fell into the planet.

Second of All. Cloning a blank brain then re inscribing memories would not be so hard to do in Mass Effect's Setting. Memories and Experience are psychically recorded in the brain, We now in this day in age are on the Verge of unlocking how these path ways work. Now given a 100+ years and also aided by advanced Prothean technology and a Race of Aliens (The Asari) who are capable of melding minds with humans and reading memories, By the time Mass Effect 2 rolls around Humans understanding of the human brain is probably infinite.

Now Shepard was in the military and with out a doubt was probably gone through regular medical checks where they probably more then a few times where able to brain scans and these brain scans probably carry ever bit of data one could know about Shepards brain and all it's pathways and make up. Cerberus being able to acquire this data would probably be a very easy thing for them.

So then how do we inscribe the memories back on to blank clone of Shepard's brain, well that's actually pretty easy, The Protheans had such technology, the Beacon was a perfect example of that. Not only them but with out a doubt the Reapers where probably capable of this too. Cerberus got to work with Sovereign's wreckage and probably recovered some of the reaper's tech And who's to say Cerberus wasn't able to reverse engineer some kind of tech that could shape a brain how they please.

So in conclusion with the combination of Prothean and Reaper Tech, and a basically perfect schematic of Shepard's brain, rebuilding it wouldn't have been impossible.

  Um... What this guy said. 

[aimlessgun]

I think what's the most bothersome thing about the whole "back from the dead" plot is that it is SO unecessary.

In sci-fi, you try to keep the ridiculous things to a minimum: if you keep things mostly realistic with only a few choice stretches of the imagination, it goes much better.

They brought in yet another suspension of disbelief for what payoff? So they could be like "OOOOH Sheperd DIES in ME2, SHOCKING (buy the game buy it buy it)". Basically a poor WRITING decision. THAT's what's wrong with it.

Coulda said "severely damaged". Coulda said "frozen in space". Had to say "DEAD".

Modifié par aimlessgun, 19 juillet 2010 - 08:28 .

[CroGamer002]

aimlessgun wrote...

I think what's the most bothersome thing about the whole "back from the dead" plot is that it is SO unecessary.

In sci-fi, you try to keep the ridiculous things to a minimum: if you keep things mostly realistic with only a few choice stretches of the imagination, it goes much better.

They brought in yet another suspension of disbelief for what payoff? So they could be like "OOOOH Sheperd DIES in ME2, SHOCKING (buy the game buy it buy it)". Basically a poor WRITING decision. THAT's what's wrong with it.

Coulda said "severely damaged". Coulda said "frozen in space". Had to say "DEAD".