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[hawat333]

Archereon wrote...

hawat333 wrote...

Ksandor wrote...

You can't bring Shepard back from dead -- it is impossible.

You know, scifi stands for science fiction. Look up what fiction means.

Ressurection is a frowned upon plot element in most of its uses.  While it has been used masterfuly by some writers, Bioware failed to pull it off, ultimately it seems cheap, and serves no plot value.

Absolutely cheap, I've never ever used a plot device like this. I was just pointing out that the Opening Post's basic statement, that resurrecting Shepard is impossible is irrelevant as the game is half fiction.

[stewie1974]

Ksandor wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Dear Op,

If you honestly think Bioware will retcon a game that is onw of their highest rated and best selling titles, your need mental help. Also, you arin't prevy to the technology that they have in the ME universe. Just because we lack the ability to repair a decayed brain, doesn't mean they do.

SpiderFan1217.

P.S. Thank you for wasting everyone's time.

You just proved your scientific ignorance. Of course as long as there are people like you out there companies like Bioware won't be forced to improve their crap scenarios. Seriously if Hollywood crap is enough for you then you don't deserve better. Actually I am wasting my time discussing this with you. You can't understand me. But I won't waste my breath. Feel free to rant in the air.

In a galaxy filled with HUMANOID aliens -THIS- is your biggest complaint about biology?

Come now, Evolution isn't going to follow the humanoid model on all the worlds in the galaxy is it?

Then "biotics", then "mass effect feilds".... then the whole science behind just about everything.....  ya know it's like star wars... you don't complain about the technology, it's just there.....   they didn't try to -explain- how they rebuilt him, they just did.....  shep waking up from a coma isn't as cinematically interesting as having that nifty sequence when they rebuild him.....

[Archereon]

hawat333 wrote...

Archereon wrote...

hawat333 wrote...

Ksandor wrote...

You can't bring Shepard back from dead -- it is impossible.

You know, scifi stands for science fiction. Look up what fiction means.

Ressurection is a frowned upon plot element in most of its uses.  While it has been used masterfuly by some writers, Bioware failed to pull it off, ultimately it seems cheap, and serves no plot value.

Absolutely cheap, I've never ever used a plot device like this. I was just pointing out that the Opening Post's basic statement, that resurrecting Shepard is impossible is irrelevant as the game is half fiction.

Looking solely at Mass Effect 1, I would have said it isn't possible to bring back the dead in this setting.  His line of thinking isn't completely off.


Stewie: Well, its arguable that the Reapers might be manipulating the evolution of species more than we think.  Their technology (particularly the citadel) obviously favors humanoid species.

Modifié par Archereon, 03 septembre 2010 - 12:34 .

[Heimdall]

smudboy wrote...

Zurcior wrote...
Maybe for you. Don't project onto others.

He's not projecting.  We'd like to thnk others (you) are given the benefit of the doubt (aren't morons.)  But clearly, railroading, having 0 plot relevance to a plot and the overarching one, throwing logic, reason and proper storytelling away, all for wanting a "darky, edgier sequel with the mysterious terrorist group"--> much more important that having every part of the narrative make sense.

Well, that's just rude <_<

Of all those things, the only one I'll give you is a lack of revelence to the overarching plot.  ME2 was as railroaded as ME1, had fine storytelling (Though not as good a story as ME1, in my opinion), and 98% of it seemed quite logical to me, the bit with Cerberus just could have been better.

Don't state opinion as fact

[Archereon]

Lord Aesir wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Zurcior wrote...
Maybe for you. Don't project onto others.

He's not projecting.  We'd like to thnk others (you) are given the benefit of the doubt (aren't morons.)  But clearly, railroading, having 0 plot relevance to a plot and the overarching one, throwing logic, reason and proper storytelling away, all for wanting a "darky, edgier sequel with the mysterious terrorist group"--> much more important that having every part of the narrative make sense.

Well, that's just rude <_<

Of all those things, the only one I'll give you is a lack of revelence to the overarching plot.  ME2 was as railroaded as ME1, had fine storytelling (Though not as good a story as ME1, in my opinion), and 98% of it seemed quite logical to me, the bit with Cerberus just could have been better.

Don't state opinion as fact

You have to admit though, Bioware kind of botched the ressurection bit.  It didn't acomplish anything plot-wise that couldn't have been done by other means which wouldn't strain the suspension of disbelief so much.

[stewie1974]

I guess you could be right there... they seem to visit prehistoric neanderthalls after all...

[Heimdall]

Archereon wrote...

You have to admit though, Bioware kind of botched the ressurection bit.  It didn't acomplish anything plot-wise that couldn't have been done by other means which wouldn't strain the suspension of disbelief so much.

I can agree to that.  I'd be fine with the ressurection itself even if Shepard's body had been more or less intact but instead they had to make him fall through the atmosphere of a planet.  They botched it.

[Archereon]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Archereon wrote...

You have to admit though, Bioware kind of botched the ressurection bit.  It didn't acomplish anything plot-wise that couldn't have been done by other means which wouldn't strain the suspension of disbelief so much.

I can agree to that.  I'd be fine with the ressurection itself even if Shepard's body had been more or less intact but instead they had to make him fall through the atmosphere of a planet.  They botched it.

For me its not that, its more that ressurection doesn't make sense in the Mass Effect setting (from what we saw in the first), which appears to be fairly hard (in terms of scienctific accuracy <_< you pervs), or bound by semi scientific rules. 

Modifié par Archereon, 03 septembre 2010 - 12:55 .

[Matdeception]

smudboy wrote...

Matdeception wrote...
Does he actually have a medical degree? Does he actually know anything about what the hell processes Cerberus cooked up to restore Shepard? Hell I can look at a dog on the side of the road and say he's dead too, but when that thing starts mewling I'd be like "OH FUX ZOMBIE DAWG!" Which wouldn't make me right at all, but I can still *say* that.

I don't think it takes a medical degree, for a soldier who has seen combat, to identify pieces of flesh and body parts as "something that is dead."

I'm not arguing Jacob's experience as a soldier. It is, however, irrelevant. When Cerberus first got Shepard from TSB he was alive. It was mentioned in the comic. Jacob saw him, he was nothing but meat and tubes. This is the factual evidence that no one can dispute.

My counter point is Jacob's perspective is entirely flawed. You can't quote him for a variety of reasons - Why the hell would he be in the Bio-Wing monitoring Shepards recovery? Why would he be informed, ever, 'Oh shiznit, Shepard died and his brain assploded!'. Why would he be informed at all? He was the Security Chief for that station, not a medical doctor with a Ph.D that is at all qualified to claim jack and shiat when it comes to surgical procedures and the like.

You can actually suggest that he was walking by, doing his rounds, and he overheard other people say Shepard died a few times during a procedure, but that still wouldn't matter. Hearsay isn't just stupid, you can't even use it as evidence in a court of law (Least in the USA, I am ignorant of other countries judicial systems).

To the point. Jacob's entire statement can not be used as factual evidence that Shepard's brain was damaged to the point it had to be reconstructed. He utterly lacks any type of expertise in the Bio-Medical field that worked on Shepard, thus there is simply no excuse for him to be kept inform of such instances. The likly-hood of him just walking by as the monitors flat-lined is about as believeable as a cat dancing a jig.

I am not arguing the possibility Shepard did indeed have brain damage that was repaired by Cerberus. I am arguing the ridiculous notion you can quote Jacob of all people to support the claim. What were the words he used again?

"You were dead, deader then dead, or worse the whole time?" (Might not be accurate)

Really. Well hell, what does Jacob consider worse then *death*. If it's watching Soap Operas I'll have to agree.

[Archereon]

Matdeception wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Matdeception wrote...
Does he actually have a medical degree? Does he actually know anything about what the hell processes Cerberus cooked up to restore Shepard? Hell I can look at a dog on the side of the road and say he's dead too, but when that thing starts mewling I'd be like "OH FUX ZOMBIE DAWG!" Which wouldn't make me right at all, but I can still *say* that.

I don't think it takes a medical degree, for a soldier who has seen combat, to identify pieces of flesh and body parts as "something that is dead."

I'm not arguing Jacob's experience as a soldier. It is, however, irrelevant. When Cerberus first got Shepard from TSB he was alive. It was mentioned in the comic. Jacob saw him, he was nothing but meat and tubes. This is the factual evidence that no one can dispute.

My counter point is Jacob's perspective is entirely flawed. You can't quote him for a variety of reasons - Why the hell would he be in the Bio-Wing monitoring Shepards recovery? Why would he be informed, ever, 'Oh shiznit, Shepard died and his brain assploded!'. Why would he be informed at all? He was the Security Chief for that station, not a medical doctor with a Ph.D that is at all qualified to claim jack and shiat when it comes to surgical procedures and the like.

You can actually suggest that he was walking by, doing his rounds, and he overheard other people say Shepard died a few times during a procedure, but that still wouldn't matter. Hearsay isn't just stupid, you can't even use it as evidence in a court of law (Least in the USA, I am ignorant of other countries judicial systems).

To the point. Jacob's entire statement can not be used as factual evidence that Shepard's brain was damaged to the point it had to be reconstructed. He utterly lacks any type of expertise in the Bio-Medical field that worked on Shepard, thus there is simply no excuse for him to be kept inform of such instances. The likly-hood of him just walking by as the monitors flat-lined is about as believeable as a cat dancing a jig.

I am not arguing the possibility Shepard did indeed have brain damage that was repaired by Cerberus. I am arguing the ridiculous notion you can quote Jacob of all people to support the claim. What were the words he used again?

"You were dead, deader then dead, or worse the whole time?" (Might not be accurate)

Really. Well hell, what does Jacob consider worse then *death*. If it's watching Soap Operas I'll have to agree.

Is it not concievable that the Illusive Man would want one of his most trusted operatives to guard Shepard personally at critical points in the projects?

[Zurcior]

Archereon wrote...

Zurcior wrote...

Archereon wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Archereon wrote...

hawat333 wrote...

Ksandor wrote...

You can't bring Shepard back from dead -- it is impossible.

You know, scifi stands for science fiction. Look up what fiction means.

Ressurection is a frowned upon plot element in most of its uses.  While it has been used masterfuly by some writers, Bioware failed to pull it off, ultimately it seems cheap, and serves no plot value.

Of course it does, it's supposed to make you grateful to Cerberus, it was the only reason my Shepard was willing to hear TIM out

And Cerberus is just an attempt to make Mass Effect 2 darker and edgier (by forcing us to work with terrorists).  The entire plot of Mass Effect 2 could have been done with Shepard working for the council, and it wouldn't have strained the audiences suspension of disbelief nearly as much.  (ressurection, when used improperly, really kills suspension of disbelief.)

 Maybe for you. Don't project onto others.

I could write a plot for ME2 that doesn't require cerberus at all, and it would be almost identical to the one we have now.  (thouhgh, if I had full creative control, I would have removed quite a bit more than Cerberus and the Lazarus project.)

 Yeah, suuure you can. >_> Cerberus is there for a reason. The same can be said with other plot elements YOU disagree with.

[MrnDvlDg161]

I do believe your aloud one unexplainable pheneoma to happen in any given decent Sci-fiction story according to the old school laws of  Robert H's day.

Wow though --- the game isn't going to change so I guess your just going to have to be happy with what ever you can come up with in the luxury of your own blank word document.  Hell --- knock yourself out!  Re-write the entire damn universe if it makes you feel better...


...but ME1 will stay as is...  and its been paved over by  ME2.  So ME2 is really  ME1 while ME1 has been condemned into Prolougism.

I say again...this series of video games isn't supposed to be an  Arthur C Clarke or Larry Niven written novel with cited facts and plausable/hypothetical physics of which you'd need a few degrees to decipher. Its very light,  Harlequin Romance/Bane books  Space Opera.  What you see is what your going to get.  If you wanted Honor Harrington --- there's a hell of an ammount of books for your reading enjoyment.  If you want techocalities why not just sift through a 1,000 page book of  Tom Clancy then... I am sure you will be in heaven as far as minute details.


I realise fans will go above and beyond with everything --- its fun to reconsider and think about such things but to outright cross your arms, tap your feet and start demanding that Bio-Ware guts an already finished project...is...

Fruitless.

Modifié par MrnDvlDg161, 03 septembre 2010 - 01:17 .

[Heimdall]

Archereon wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Archereon wrote...

You have to admit though, Bioware kind of botched the ressurection bit.  It didn't acomplish anything plot-wise that couldn't have been done by other means which wouldn't strain the suspension of disbelief so much.

I can agree to that.  I'd be fine with the ressurection itself even if Shepard's body had been more or less intact but instead they had to make him fall through the atmosphere of a planet.  They botched it.

For me its not that, its more that ressurection doesn't make sense in the Mass Effect setting (from what we saw in the first), which appears to be fairly hard (in terms of scienctific accuracy <_< you pervs), or bound by semi scientific rules. 

Eh, might of made enough sense to me if Shepard's body had been intact enough to be plausibe with medical science a hundred and fifty years more advanced than our own and they had gotten his body almost imediatly and put it in stasis or something.  It's not like it was something people did regularly within the setting and they seemed to have had unlimited resources, and they didn't explain enough about the how beyond a few cybernetic implants to really destroy me suspension of disbelief (Which I feel an attempt at a proper explanation inevitably would have) that's probably one of the few things I feel they did right about it.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 03 septembre 2010 - 01:19 .

[Archereon]

Zurcior wrote...

Archereon wrote...

Zurcior wrote...

Archereon wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Archereon wrote...

hawat333 wrote...

Ksandor wrote...

You can't bring Shepard back from dead -- it is impossible.

You know, scifi stands for science fiction. Look up what fiction means.

Ressurection is a frowned upon plot element in most of its uses.  While it has been used masterfuly by some writers, Bioware failed to pull it off, ultimately it seems cheap, and serves no plot value.

Of course it does, it's supposed to make you grateful to Cerberus, it was the only reason my Shepard was willing to hear TIM out

And Cerberus is just an attempt to make Mass Effect 2 darker and edgier (by forcing us to work with terrorists).  The entire plot of Mass Effect 2 could have been done with Shepard working for the council, and it wouldn't have strained the audiences suspension of disbelief nearly as much.  (ressurection, when used improperly, really kills suspension of disbelief.)

 Maybe for you. Don't project onto others.

I could write a plot for ME2 that doesn't require cerberus at all, and it would be almost identical to the one we have now.  (thouhgh, if I had full creative control, I would have removed quite a bit more than Cerberus and the Lazarus project.)

 Yeah, suuure you can. >_> Cerberus is there for a reason. The same can be said with other plot elements YOU disagree with.

If you gave me a similar timeframe to the Bioware writers, I do believe I could.  Off the top of my head, I can justify Shepard working for the Council rather than Cerberus and following the same general plot.

Considering that the colonies that are disapearing are located in the Terminus systems, and its established that the Council is against military intervention in the region due to the certainty of it sparking a major war, it would make sense to send a single elite agent (like Shepard) to investigate the disepearences rather than a full fleet.  While it would be tricky to explain why the Council would have you recruit Jack, Thane, and some of the other less savory (from the perspective of a politician) squadmates, it has been established that the council does not generally question the methods Spectres use to complete their missions, and it would make sense that they would not question your decision to recruit them if Shepard encounters them on his own.

[Moiaussi]

Lord Aesir wrote...

The Illusive Man refused to let Miranda put in a control chip.  To me this means they wanted Shepard's mind back the way it was, not necesarily his/her body. 

Change body chemistry and expect no risk to  brain patterns or thought processes? Blood from the rest of the body still feeds the brain...

[Matdeception]

Archereon wrote...

Matdeception wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Matdeception wrote...
Does he actually have a medical degree? Does he actually know anything about what the hell processes Cerberus cooked up to restore Shepard? Hell I can look at a dog on the side of the road and say he's dead too, but when that thing starts mewling I'd be like "OH FUX ZOMBIE DAWG!" Which wouldn't make me right at all, but I can still *say* that.

I don't think it takes a medical degree, for a soldier who has seen combat, to identify pieces of flesh and body parts as "something that is dead."

I'm not arguing Jacob's experience as a soldier. It is, however, irrelevant. When Cerberus first got Shepard from TSB he was alive. It was mentioned in the comic. Jacob saw him, he was nothing but meat and tubes. This is the factual evidence that no one can dispute.

My counter point is Jacob's perspective is entirely flawed. You can't quote him for a variety of reasons - Why the hell would he be in the Bio-Wing monitoring Shepards recovery? Why would he be informed, ever, 'Oh shiznit, Shepard died and his brain assploded!'. Why would he be informed at all? He was the Security Chief for that station, not a medical doctor with a Ph.D that is at all qualified to claim jack and shiat when it comes to surgical procedures and the like.

You can actually suggest that he was walking by, doing his rounds, and he overheard other people say Shepard died a few times during a procedure, but that still wouldn't matter. Hearsay isn't just stupid, you can't even use it as evidence in a court of law (Least in the USA, I am ignorant of other countries judicial systems).

To the point. Jacob's entire statement can not be used as factual evidence that Shepard's brain was damaged to the point it had to be reconstructed. He utterly lacks any type of expertise in the Bio-Medical field that worked on Shepard, thus there is simply no excuse for him to be kept inform of such instances. The likly-hood of him just walking by as the monitors flat-lined is about as believeable as a cat dancing a jig.

I am not arguing the possibility Shepard did indeed have brain damage that was repaired by Cerberus. I am arguing the ridiculous notion you can quote Jacob of all people to support the claim. What were the words he used again?

"You were dead, deader then dead, or worse the whole time?" (Might not be accurate)

Really. Well hell, what does Jacob consider worse then *death*. If it's watching Soap Operas I'll have to agree.

Is it not concievable that the Illusive Man would want one of his most trusted operatives to guard Shepard personally at critical points in the projects?

Of course it's not concievable. First, TIM gave operational lead to Miranda. Things such as duty shifts, rosters, who and the like would be under her purview. That's only a minor point from your statement however.

At the end of the day Jacob is a soldier. He has no business guarding Shepard personally. His duty was to maintain security for the entire base (At least thats what one assumes when you call yourself head of security). Department heads are all about distributing responsibility to the people under their command.

Now, taking your possibility into account, it simply doesn't fit. For a guy who 'guarded Shepard' anywhere near enough to have such vital information, he sure as hell made it seem like he really had no freaking clue what they had actually done to you.

"I'm pretty sure you aren't a clone." Lolwut? You were guardian my parapalegic ass for so long and you don't know for certain, absolutely certain, I'm not a clone? 

Or even...

"Get any upgrades?"

Jacob actually admits with out saying the words that he really has no idea what actually went into your reconstruction. It's not that he's being evasive, the tone and the words themselves show this.

But to be fair, the game itself doesn't really tell you jack **** either. Oh you can see where your ribs, spine, ect. ect. were broken in the little video's, but we have no idea what was actually put into shepard.

Though, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't believe I actually saw any time of mods attached to Shepards head in those brief moments.

Simply put, there is simply no evidence to suggest his brain was smashed/decayed/wutever. It can be inferred, but that still doesn't make it absolute fact. Arguing Jacob's words as all the evidence needed is simply absurd.

Modifié par Matdeception, 03 septembre 2010 - 01:40 .

[Zurcior]

Archereon wrote...

Zurcior wrote...

Archereon wrote...

Zurcior wrote...

Archereon wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Archereon wrote...

hawat333 wrote...

Ksandor wrote...

You can't bring Shepard back from dead -- it is impossible.

You know, scifi stands for science fiction. Look up what fiction means.

Ressurection is a frowned upon plot element in most of its uses.  While it has been used masterfuly by some writers, Bioware failed to pull it off, ultimately it seems cheap, and serves no plot value.

Of course it does, it's supposed to make you grateful to Cerberus, it was the only reason my Shepard was willing to hear TIM out

And Cerberus is just an attempt to make Mass Effect 2 darker and edgier (by forcing us to work with terrorists).  The entire plot of Mass Effect 2 could have been done with Shepard working for the council, and it wouldn't have strained the audiences suspension of disbelief nearly as much.  (ressurection, when used improperly, really kills suspension of disbelief.)

 Maybe for you. Don't project onto others.

I could write a plot for ME2 that doesn't require cerberus at all, and it would be almost identical to the one we have now.  (thouhgh, if I had full creative control, I would have removed quite a bit more than Cerberus and the Lazarus project.)

 Yeah, suuure you can. >_> Cerberus is there for a reason. The same can be said with other plot elements YOU disagree with.

If you gave me a similar timeframe to the Bioware writers, I do believe I could.  Off the top of my head, I can justify Shepard working for the Council rather than Cerberus and following the same general plot.

Considering that the colonies that are disapearing are located in the Terminus systems, and its established that the Council is against military intervention in the region due to the certainty of it sparking a major war, it would make sense to send a single elite agent (like Shepard) to investigate the disepearences rather than a full fleet.  While it would be tricky to explain why the Council would have you recruit Jack, Thane, and some of the other less savory (from the perspective of a politician) squadmates, it has been established that the council does not generally question the methods Spectres use to complete their missions, and it would make sense that they would not question your decision to recruit them if Shepard encounters them on his own.

 Seriously, why are you still at it? Guess what, the story has already been written. The characters and plot have already been established. They are canon.  Are you under some delusion that Bioware will retcon it all for the sake of your "brilliant" plot? Not only are you wasteing my time, you are wasting your own. It's all been said and done. If you don't like, deal with it and create your own Sci Fi franchise.

[Archereon]

When did I ever say I thought anything I did would change the plot? I just said in essence that if I had written the ME2 plot, I would have done quite a few things different. It is my opinion that there were better alternatives to the Lazarus project in terms of accomplishing a two year time skip, and even in railroading Shepard into working for Cerberus.

So yes, in essence, I'm complaining about something that's set in stone already, in the interest that such "issues" could be avoided in the future.

Modifié par Archereon, 03 septembre 2010 - 01:50 .

[Zurcior]

Archereon wrote...

When did I ever say I thought anything I did would change the plot? I just said in essence that if I had written the ME2 plot, I would have done quite a few things different. It is my opinion that there were better alternatives to the Lazarus project in terms of accomplishing a two year time skip, and even in railroading Shepard into working for Cerberus.

So yes, in essence, I'm complaining about something that's set in stone already, in the interest that such "issues" could be avoided in the future.

 You do realise that they have been working on ME3 all this time right? Bioware probably has already established their plot for ME3 so whatever you say here will fall on deaf ears. Once again, you're wasting your time.

[Archereon]

Zurcior wrote...

Archereon wrote...

When did I ever say I thought anything I did would change the plot? I just said in essence that if I had written the ME2 plot, I would have done quite a few things different. It is my opinion that there were better alternatives to the Lazarus project in terms of accomplishing a two year time skip, and even in railroading Shepard into working for Cerberus.

So yes, in essence, I'm complaining about something that's set in stone already, in the interest that such "issues" could be avoided in the future.

 You do realise that they have been working on ME3 all this time right? Bioware probably has already established their plot for ME3 so whatever you say here will fall on deaf ears. Once again, you're wasting your time.

The Future!= ME3.  (unless you think Bioware is going out of business after its release.)

Its all too common for writers to rehash the same plot elements over and over again, the temptation to use an element that you've done before is all to real.  I'd rather not see ressurection used as a plot device again in a Bioware game, TYVM.

Modifié par Archereon, 03 septembre 2010 - 02:04 .

[Tyrael02]

Ksandor wrote...

You can't bring Shepard back from dead -- it is impossible.

If you are brain dead your neurons and neural pathways and protein based memory molecules decompose. Since nobody knows what protein based memories and neural pathways Shepard had in life reconstructing them is impossible (you can't reconstruct memories and the personality).

Besides quantum mechanics says 100% reproduction is impossible. Especially when it comes to a complex system like a thinking brain. Unless there was some sort of hibernation mechanism in Shepard's suit reviving a brain dead person is impossible.

If I were Bioware I would create circumstances where Shepard's brain could be salvaged more or less intact. At least they did not clearly state that Shepard fell to the planet. No "body" can survive that. Simple impact would pulverize the body even if the atmosphere does not contain oxygen so the body would not burn. Maybe Shepard's body was in orbit and his body suit's emergency systems preserved him to some degree. Any specifics about this in Redemption comic?

The solution would be to imply that Shepard's body recovered from orbit and the suit protected him from extreme decomposition -- especially an emergency mechanism which protected his brain. This would not directly conflict with Jacob when he said Shepard was dead as dead can be and Miranda when he summarizes the extensive damage Shepard suffered. If your brain is preserved bringing you back from dead should be possible with future tech.

I wish they just said that Shepard was in comma for 2 years. That was the most plausible solution but Bioware wanted to scandalize audience with this flashy death idea so instead they have chosen this Hollywood no brainer. They should retcon this without conflicting Mass Effect 2.

Don't like the game or its lore? here's a solution - DONT PLAY IT jerk

[Moiaussi]

Zurcior wrote...

Seriously, why are you still at it? Guess what, the story has already been written. The characters and plot have already been established. They are canon.  Are you under some delusion that Bioware will retcon it all for the sake of your "brilliant" plot? Not only are you wasteing my time, you are wasting your own. It's all been said and done. If you don't like, deal with it and create your own Sci Fi franchise.

Why are you replying? Guess what, the posts in this thread have already been made. They can no longer be edited. They are a matter of record. Are you under some delusion that your pointing out that ME2 will not be re-written will change the opinions of some of us that it was poorly written and/or could have been written a lot better?

It has all been said and done now. If you don't people being critical of any given thing, deal with it and post a constructive response instead of hypocritically complaining about others complaining.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

What part of science fiction don't you understand?

[ladydesire]

Moiaussi wrote...

Zurcior wrote...

Seriously, why are you still at it? Guess what, the story has
already been written. The characters and plot have already
been established. They are canon.  Are you under some
delusion that Bioware will retcon it all for the sake of your "
brilliant" plot? Not only are you wasteing my time, you are
wasting your own. It's all been said and done. If you don't like,
deal with it and create your own Sci Fi franchise.

Why are you replying? Guess what, the posts in this thread
have already been made. They can no longer be edited. They
are a matter of record. Are you under some delusion that your
pointing out that ME2 will not be re-written will change the
opinions of some of us that it was poorly written and/or could
have been written a lot better?

It has all been said and done now. If you don't people being
critical of any given thing, deal with it and post a constructive
response instead of hypocritically complaining about others
complaining.

My question is this; why, if the Council had technology like Cerberus does, didn't they bother to even look for Shepard? In my opinion, they probably thought a dead hero was better than a "loose cannon"; don't forget that only Captain Anderson seems to believe that the Reapers exist at all. The rest of the Citadel races probably breathed a collective sigh of relief when they heard about Shepard's death.

[didymos1120]

Archereon wrote...
Ressurection is a frowned upon plot element in most of its uses. 

Really?  Which uses are those ( if all you say is "comic books" I'm gonna be disappointed)  , and who exactly (besides you, and of course Smudboy) is doing all that frowning? 

Modifié par didymos1120, 03 septembre 2010 - 10:37 .