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[Saibh]

Sundance31us wrote...

I don't think the biotic implant itself would store the memories since its function was to act as a conduit/amplifier for biotic powers. My thought was whether there would be any residual biotic energy in the implant that might somehow sustain brain tissue like the hippocampus long enough for Cerberus to recover/restore it.
Even with this theory I would say without hesitation that Shepard died shortly after the Normandy’s destruction.

Edit: missed a quote box

EEZO. IT DOES STUFF. Mini-Animus is one of them.

[Saibh]

That was a weird double post.

Modifié par Saibh, 08 octobre 2010 - 01:52 .

[Notker_Biloba]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Notker_Biloba wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
158 mph is roughly 70 meters per second. The snow would compress instanteneosly and serve as no cushion at all. (Snow deeper than 2-3 meters is usually already compressed - by its own weight - to almost solid ice density.)

There is a Davy Crockett story of a Soviet airman Ivan Chisov, that is at least remotely believable - he is said to hit a fresh snow -clad shoulder of a big ravine and thus to undergo somewhat gradual deceleration before reaching the bottom of it...

You're talking about a dude surviving a fall.  Shepard does not survive.

Shepard does survive.

He was only "mostly dead" = not dead enough.

Dead = no Shepard, zero Shepard. Impossible to rebuild "exactly as you were". Personality is information. Information needs a hardware to persist. This hardware is brain.

Ok, Billy Crystal, she's mostly dead.  I was making a distinction between clinically dead and obliterated.  When I say "does not survive", I mean clinically dead.  If you want to call that "mostly dead", that's fine with me.

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Notker_Biloba wrote...
The only thing necessary to prove are (1) she does not burn up in re-entry,

Dusty Everman, BioWare, said so.

Where was that?  All I saw was:

Dusty Everman wrote...
The Normandy wasn’t in orbit around that planet. After the combat that occurred, the ship was relatively at a standstill above the planet. The ship and Shepard did a free fall straight down into the planet (yep, orbit gives weightlessness, but if you aren’t in orbit and within the gravity well of a planet, there is gravity!).

I don’t have the time (or the knowledge of physics) to calculate just how fast the Normandy and Shepard would have been when they hit the thick of the atmosphere and were brought to terminal velocity. Maybe a physics-savy fanactic… err, I mean fan… could make some assumptions and do the math .

Since they don't say explicitly, I'll take the simplest case.  There's an explosion on board that knocks her in the opposite direction of the Normandy's trajectory, leaving her motionless in space, or moving slowly in some direction, or whatever.  In my scenario, the Normandy is in some sort of orbit, let's say 1000km above the surface.  Acceleration near the planet's surface is 6.7m/s/s, so let's say she starts down at about 6m/s/s, since the planet's radius is 10,000km.  At a height of 10,000m (postulated upper limit of atmosphere) she's doing about 3.6km/s, much less than your normal Earth re-entry speed (7.8-12km/s).  I'm guessing her armor has some future version of that silica gel stuff (http://en.wikipedia....spheric_reentry).  So she slows to terminal velocity, hits a snow drift on a steep incline, and rolls/slides to her final resting spot.  Then there are two options, (1) planet surface is on average -22C, so she ends up in a spot that 4C, or there's a mini heat wave, or whatever, or (2) suit has an eezo supply or whatever that keeps internal contents at 4C.

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Notker_Biloba wrote...
and (2) she does not break into a million pieces on impact.

And (3) Shepard's brain was not damaged at all. (Well, may be only a little bit, to explain the thermal ammo and boobs in space delusions)

Some damage, granted.  But not more than could be remedied with 22nd century medicine.  Brain mostly intact, no tabula rasa necessary.

Modifié par Notker_Biloba, 08 octobre 2010 - 02:01 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Saibh wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nice try, but (1) how did Cerberus manage to find a way to transcribe it back on new Shepard's body? and (2) how could Shepard remember the events that took place after he interacted with the beacons (like who was appointed the New Council's chairman)?

I admit, the Mako theory is a stretch of belief, but it's the smallest stretch yet.

I liked the idea that a biotic plant could store your memories--as for non-biotic Shepards, the fact that you can have a biotic bonus power tells me Shepard always has biotic capabilities, and perhaps always has the plants even if they aren't doing her any good.

My Shepard does not have a biotic bonus power and he has no biotic ability, and no biotic implant, and biotic implants can't store memories, and even a secretly installed graybox on the ME1 Shepard wouldn't cut it. Because memories alone do not constitute a personality.
A graybox can't store Shepard's leadership qualities, his tactical cunning, oratory skill, Reaper-slaying carma and so on. Hence the original Shepard's brain must have survived this snowball's journey in hell. How? In the Mako.

[Saibh]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

My Shepard does not have a biotic bonus power and he has no biotic ability, and no biotic implant, and biotic implants can't store memories, and even a secretly installed graybox on the ME1 Shepard wouldn't cut it. Because memories alone do not constitute a personality.
A graybox can't store Shepard's leadership qualities, his tactical cunning, oratory skill, Reaper-slaying carma and so on. Hence the original Shepard's brain must have survived this snowball's journey in hell. How? In the Mako.

Hey, you don't know that. Besides that, my point is Shepard can have those powers, even if you aren't a biotic class. It's not inconceivable that Shepard has the implant.

I don't really believe it did. I, personally, will accept any excuse for why Shepard was preserved. It doesn't matter that much to me.

[Schneidend]

Again, Shepard's leadership qualities, tactical cunning, oratory skill - all reconstructed with the same VI technology that brought President Huerta back from being brain-dead.



Read your Cerberus Daily News, folks. Check the wiki.

[Zulu_DFA]

Notker_Biloba wrote...
Ok, Billy Crystal, she's mostly dead.  I was making a distinction between clinically dead and obliterated.  When I say "does not survive", I mean clinically dead.  If you want to call that "mostly dead", that's fine with me.

Even today clinical death does not count as "death". That's why they do the resuscitation, which allows later to say "Mr. Brown survived a grave car accident", although Mr. Brown may have been clinically dead for several minutes.

Notker_Biloba wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Notker_Biloba wrote...
The only thing necessary to prove are (1) she does not burn up in re-entry,

Dusty Everman, BioWare, said so.

Where was that?  All I saw was:

Dusty Everman wrote...
The Normandy wasn’t in orbit around that planet. After the combat that occurred, the ship was relatively at a standstill above the planet. The ship and Shepard did a free fall straight down into the planet (yep, orbit gives weightlessness, but if you aren’t in orbit and within the gravity well of a planet, there is gravity!).

I don’t have the time (or the knowledge of physics) to calculate just how fast the Normandy and Shepard would have been when they hit the thick of the atmosphere and were brought to terminal velocity. Maybe a physics-savy fanactic… err, I mean fan… could make some assumptions and do the math .

Since they don't say explicitly, I'll take the simplest case.  There's an explosion on board that knocks her in the opposite direction of the Normandy's trajectory, leaving her motionless in space, or moving slowly in some direction, or whatever.  In my scenario, the Normandy is in some sort of orbit, let's say 1000km above the surface.  Acceleration near the planet's surface is 6.7m/s/s, so let's say she starts down at about 6m/s/s, since the planet's radius is 10,000km.

 
What part of "the Normandy was not in orbit" you do not understand? How an object can be in space but not in orbit, or what?

By the time Shepard ejected Joker's life pod, the Normandy was right above the spot of Alchera where you put the monument later, and plummeting down.

Joker's life pod accelerted to escape velocity and was salvaged a few hours (days) later by whoever rescued all the survivors minus Shepard. Who, together with the Normandy's wreck continued plummeting down, until he somehow managed to get in the Mako, clear the cargo bay or whatever was remaining of it, and engage the deceleration thrusters shortly before touch down. About a month later (Redemption, #1, p. 2.) Shepard was delivered to Omega in extremely bad shape, but with undamaged brain.

Notker_Biloba wrote...
At a height of 10,000m (postulated upper limit of atmosphere) she's doing about 3.6km/s, much less than your normal Earth re-entry speed (7.8-12km/s).  I'm guessing her armor has some future version of that silica gel stuff (http://en.wikipedia....spheric_reentry).  So she slows to terminal velocity, hits a snow drift on a steep incline, and rolls/slides to her final resting spot.  Then there are two options, (1) planet surface is on average -22C, so she ends up in a spot that 4C, or there's a mini heat wave, or whatever, or (2) suit has an eezo supply or whatever that keeps internal contents at 4C.

For weeks?

And that's too many "ifs" and guesses, don't you think, compared to, for example, one and a half mine? And it completely overlooks the fact that Shepard's helmet is found among the Normandy's debris and not a couple of hundred kilometers away.

Notker_Biloba wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Notker_Biloba wrote...
and (2) she does not break into a million pieces on impact.

And (3) Shepard's brain was not damaged at all. (Well, may be only a little bit, to explain the thermal ammo and boobs in space delusions)

Some damage, granted.  But not more than could be remedied with 22nd century medicine.  Brain mostly intact, no tabula rasa necessary.

This we seem to agree on.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 08 octobre 2010 - 02:44 .

[Sundance31us]

DTKT wrote...
It's a video game.

We know that...at least I'm assuming we all know that.
We can debate all day, but in the end I'm quite certain that Shepard's body was traveling toward the planet at the same speed as a Starfury flying in space and according to Mr. Straczynski, "They travel at the speed of "plot".

[Notker_Biloba]

[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...
[quote]Notker_Biloba wrote...
Ok, Billy Crystal, she's mostly dead.  I was making a distinction between clinically dead and obliterated.  When I say "does not survive", I mean clinically dead.  If you want to call that "mostly dead", that's fine with me.
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Even today clinical death does not count as "death". That's why they do the resuscitation, which allows later to say "Mr. Brown survived a grave car accident", although Mr. Brown may have been clinically dead for several minutes.
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No one disputes that.  This point has been belabored due to a lack of a convention on semantics.  We were talking about whether or not people "survive" free-falls on Earth and, by extension, whether it could be done on other planets.  The known cases I'm thinking of involve the survivor being not clinically dead, so in my mind that was the threshold for "survival". 
[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...
[quote]Notker_Biloba wrote...
[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...
[quote]Notker_Biloba wrote...
The only thing necessary to prove are (1) she does not burn up in re-entry,
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Dusty Everman, BioWare, said so.
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Where was that?  All I saw was:
[quote]Dusty Everman wrote...
The Normandy wasn’t in orbit around that planet. After the combat that occurred, the ship was relatively at a standstill above the planet. The ship and Shepard did a free fall straight down into the planet ...[/quote]
Since they don't say explicitly, I'll take the simplest case.  There's an explosion on board that knocks her in the opposite direction of the Normandy's trajectory, leaving her motionless in space, or moving slowly in some direction, or whatever.  In my scenario, the Normandy is in some sort of orbit, let's say 1000km above the surface.  Acceleration near the planet's surface is 6.7m/s/s, so let's say she starts down at about 6m/s/s, since the planet's radius is 10,000km.
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What part of "the Normandy was not in orbit" you do not understand? How an object can be in space but not in orbit, or what?
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It's not a question of understand or not understand.  I merely overlooked Dusty's statement about not being in orbit.  But it's inconsequential.  "Not in orbit" doesn't specify an altitude.  Could be 10km, could be 10,000km.  I just picked a number that makes my story work.

[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...
Joker's life pod accelerted to escape velocity and was salvaged a few hours (days) later by whoever rescued all the survivors minus Shepard ... About a month later (Redemption, #1, p. 2.) Shepard was delivered to Omega in extremely bad shape, but with undamaged brain.
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So Shepards body was recovered from the planet's surface some time between impact and "about a month" after impact and kept in stasis until being brought to Omega.  I really don't know the official line on her recovery.  Who brought her to Omega?  Did Cerberus operatives drop in moments after the crash and retrieve her body?

[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...
[quote]Notker_Biloba wrote...
At a height of 10,000m (postulated upper limit of atmosphere) she's doing about 3.6km/s, much less than your normal Earth re-entry speed (7.8-12km/s).  I'm guessing her armor has some future version of that silica gel stuff (http://en.wikipedia....spheric_reentry).  So she slows to terminal velocity, hits a snow drift on a steep incline, and rolls/slides to her final resting spot.  Then there are two options, (1) planet surface is on average -22C, so she ends up in a spot that 4C, or there's a mini heat wave, or whatever, or (2) suit has an eezo supply or whatever that keeps internal contents at 4C.
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For weeks?
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Why not?  May have only been a few hours, I don't know.

[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...
And that's too many "ifs" and guesses, don't you think, compared to, for example, one and a half mine?[/quote]
I'm not comparing my story to anyone else's.  My only goal was to show that based on current knowledge and technology, it could happen.  Anything that's even remotely possible now, I would argue, is considerably less improbable two centuries in the future.

[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...
And it completely overlooks the fact that Shepard's helmet is found among the Normandy's debris and not a couple of hundred kilometers away.
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According to Dusty, the Normandy was essentially at a stand-still when it finally broke apart and started its free-fall.  I can't see any reason why Shepard couldn't end up near the crash site.  There are many possible scenarios.

[Zulu_DFA]

Notker_Biloba wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Joker's life pod accelerted to escape velocity and was salvaged a few hours (days) later by whoever rescued all the survivors minus Shepard ... About a month later (Redemption, #1, p. 2.) Shepard was delivered to Omega in extremely bad shape, but with undamaged brain.

So Shepards body was recovered from the planet's surface some time between impact and "about a month" after impact and kept in stasis until being brought to Omega.  I really don't know the official line on her recovery.  Who brought her to Omega?  Did Cerberus operatives drop in moments after the crash and retrieve her body?

The Redemption graphic novel about Liara's quest to retrieve the remains of Commander Shepard starts around one month after the destruction of the Normandy SR-1. Spoilers now... The Shadow Broker made a deal with the Collectors to deliver Shepard's body to them and apparently employed the Blue Suns mercenaries to go find Shepard's body on Alchera, as it were them who had it at the beginning of the story. They were about to hand over the body (in a stasis pod) to the Shadow Broker's agent on Omega when Liara arrived there.

I can see no reason why the Blue Suns would go to Alchera before they were contracted by the Shadow Broker for this specific task, or delay the delivery once they took hold on Shepard. Also, there was some time for several parties (namely Cerberus and Feron, who was more of a freelancer, than a Shadow Broker's permanent employee) to learn about the Shadow Broker's intentions and contact one another.

So it's quite clear that whoever rescued the Normandy survivors from the life pods (and it definitely was not the Alliance) did not bother to go to the crash site. Maybe it were even the same Blue Suns that would come later for Shepard, but at that time they only expected to get paid for their trouble of saving the living, while Shepard was presumed dead. Why the Collectors took interest in retrieving the body and put a bounty on it only some time later is never explained nor hinted at.

Given that, I find it even more doubtful that Shepard [his brain] could remain salvageable long enough if he just fell down there.

[Notker_Biloba]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Notker_Biloba wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Joker's life pod accelerted to escape velocity and was salvaged a few hours (days) later by whoever rescued all the survivors minus Shepard ... About a month later (Redemption, #1, p. 2.) Shepard was delivered to Omega in extremely bad shape, but with undamaged brain.

So Shepards body was recovered from the planet's surface some time between impact and "about a month" after impact and kept in stasis until being brought to Omega.  I really don't know the official line on her recovery.  Who brought her to Omega?  Did Cerberus operatives drop in moments after the crash and retrieve her body?

[Back-story]

Interesting.  I was kinda going off the ME2 intro, where TIM says to Miranda to make sure not to lose Shepard, since she's our best weapon against the Reapers.  I was sort of envisioning Miranda getting word of the Normandy's destruction and then zipping over and grabbing her.  In-game it would take about five seconds to do that; not sure what that translates to in actual (story) time.

Maybe I'll ckeck out some of those graphic novels.  So, even in the graphic novels they're mum on everything that happens to Shepard between parting ways with the Normandy and waking up in the Cerberus facility?

Modifié par Notker_Biloba, 08 octobre 2010 - 08:15 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Notker_Biloba wrote...

Maybe I'll ckeck out some of those graphic novels.  So, even in the graphic novels they're mum on everything that happens to Shepard between parting ways with the Normandy and waking up in the Cerberus facility?

Yes, it's all very ambigous. I kind of waited for the last issue to be released before posting my Mako theory, in hopes it would be revealed, but alas. All we get is some reassurance that Shepard was medically salvageable and there was no need of black magic at any point to bring Shepard back.

[Nozybidaj]

I'm sticking with the barbeque sauce theory.  Its still better than any explanation BW has put forth.

[ryu niiyama]

At this point I just accept it is a poor plot device. We all know they did it so that you could remake the character or to give a springboard for people that come into the series with ME2 (why you would start a trilogy in the middle is beyond me though…). I personally think the better question is how his BW (if they even make an attempt to) going to incorporate this in ME3. Since they gave us the whole reapers need organic goo deal I think they'll likely go with Shepard is the first human reaper, (as in those cybernetics are reaper in origin) and that is how she'll some how get the insight to stop a whole fleet of the things. I just hope they don't use this again in ME3. One ZombieRoboShep is enough.

[PG420]

Well let's think for a second, not only has human technology advanced 200 years, but you've got the collective technology of the entire galactic civilization which would be thousands or tens of thousands of years more advanced than what we have now. Reviving someone sounds pretty plausible actually.

[MGIII]

Ah yes, "brain damage." We have dismissed those claims. Now excuse me while I fly off in my superluminal spaceship and pewpew some extragalactic giant synthetic cuddlefish.

[AlexXIV]

Teknor wrote...

They should also retcon the idea of mass effect, you know the main idea behind the game since it's technically impossible.

Why ressurect a thread that was done 5 months ago? The post I quoted says everything that's to say about it.

[CARL_DF90]

Oh, brother. My thoughts exactly. Still, let me point a few things out here that has been lost in the sauce: 1.) due to his exposure to the beacons, Asari melding, and the Thorian on Feros, he is not a normal human in the slightest. We have NO clue what kind of physiological changes his brain went through after all that. Maybe his brain chemistry changed as a result, or Cerberus had a way of regenerating brain cells. There are a few deep sea animals that are capable of regenerating their own brain cells. Who's to say that Cerberus couldn't have found a way to do the same for humans. The very fact that Shepard was making it a point to tell almost no one outside Cerberus just how the hell he was alive should also make you think about it. Maybe they also found a way to tap into a little something called "genetic memory", which is real. Couple all these possibilities with the unique sequence of events that Shepard went through and you have just enough plausibility to make Shep's resurrection either believable, or at the very least believable enough to suspend your disbelief to just enjoy the awesome GAME that it is. So then, ENJOY!

[Zulu_DFA]

Never thought I'd find myself interested in the PS3 release of ME2. Now it is quite so, because it seems like there will be a few changes to the openning sequence. Like, the "interactive comic", which is basically a ME1 surrogate will pop up between the Normandy's destruction and the character creator. So it will probably portray Shepard recalling his life as his consciousness fades out...

The question is: will there be added any particularities of Shepard's descent and touchdown on Alchera, which made it possible for him to survive?

Seriously, BioWare needed this chance to clear up this stuff. Have they taken it? Bets, anyone?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 18 décembre 2010 - 09:49 .

[Archereon]

PG420 wrote...

Well let's think for a second, not only has human technology advanced 200 years, but you've got the collective technology of the entire galactic civilization which would be thousands or tens of thousands of years more advanced than what we have now. Reviving someone sounds pretty plausible actually.

No, it doesn't, barring recovering a graybox from someone and uploading the memories into a clone, which technically isn't even bringing them back.

While Bioware claims the Normandy was stationary when it was destroyed, and Shepard had a nice, relatively gentle fall form orbit, that is even more deserving of a facepalm.

The normandy should have been travelling at several kilometers per SECOND in a combat situation, in real life, any actual military engagements in space will take place at distances and speeds unthinkable on Earth.

Honestly Shepard should have gone flying into deep space, bounced off the planet's atmosphere and gone into deep space, or burned up on the way down. 

[Zulu_DFA]

Archereon wrote...

While Bioware claims the Normandy was stationary when it was destroyed, and Shepard had a nice, relatively gentle fall form orbit, that is even more deserving of a facepalm.

The reason why present day space vehicles in Earth's orbit maintain speed of several kilometers per second is that they achieve it to gain the orbit and there is nothing there to slow them down. If a space vehicle could kill the orbital speed, it would fall from space to the surface of Earth at square angle. The only shortcoming of this is that you would need just as much rocket fuel to do so as you need to launch that vehicle... Only, as you would be launching it now with the second rocket full of juice, you'd need even more juice for the launch. Thus the cost of two-way missions would tripple. That's why the reentry  procedure relies on killing the speed by atmospheric friction, aerodynamics, parachutes, etc.

In the ME universe rocket fuel must be cheaper than fresh water, and the mass effect allows for reducing the mass of the spacecraft, which results in acceleration (deceleration) to incredible speeds requiring miniscule fuel burns.

Therefore, if BioWare says the Normandy was "stationary", it was "stationary", period. It means, Joker had killed the speed for whatever reason just before the Collector ship finished her off, and she plunged down like a bankrupt stock broker off a skyscraper roof.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 18 décembre 2010 - 10:33 .

[Archereon]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Archereon wrote...

While Bioware claims the Normandy was stationary when it was destroyed, and Shepard had a nice, relatively gentle fall form orbit, that is even more deserving of a facepalm.

The reason why present day space vehicles in Earth's orbit maintain speed of several kilometers per second is that they achieve it to gain the orbit and there is nothing there to slow them down. If a space vehicle could kill the orbital speed, it would fall from space to the surface of Earth at square angle. The only shortcoming of this is that you would need just as much rocket fuel to do so as you need to launch that vehicle... Only, as you would be launching it now with the second rocket full of juice, you'd need even more juice for the launch. Thus the cost of two-way missions would tripple. That's why the reentry  procedure relies on killing the speed by atmospheric friction, aerodynamics, parachutes, etc.

In the ME universe rocket fuel must be cheaper than fresh water, and the mass effect allows for reducing the mass of the spacecraft, which results in acceleration (deceleration) to incredible speeds requiring miniscule fuel burns.

Therefore, if BioWare says the Normandy was "stationary", it was "stationary", period. It means, Joker had killed the speed for whatever reason just before the Collector ship finished her off, and she plunged down like a bankrupt stock broker off a skyscraper roof.

You would never kill the speed on a military spacecraft engaged in combat, since any viable weapon system on a spacecraft would be able to hit a stationary target from tens of thousands of kilometers away.  Even in Mass Effect mobility is an important part of space combat.

But honestly, the MTS3K Mantra exists for a reason.

Modifié par Archereon, 18 décembre 2010 - 10:46 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Archereon wrote...

You would never kill the speed on a military spacecraft engaged in combat

Sir! Tell that to Joker, Sir! He's got his own opinion on evasive manuevers, Admiral, Sir!

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 18 décembre 2010 - 11:03 .

[Archereon]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Archereon wrote...

You would never kill the speed on a military spacecraft engaged in combat

Sir! Tell that to Joker, Sir! He's got his own opinion on evasive manuevers, Admiral, Sir!

If you're not moving, you're not going to evade anything.  It might just be my opinion, but if something's going to hit you in space, and you don't move, its going to hit you.  Plus there's the fact that if Joker brough the Normandy to a complete stop, as you said, it'd fall straight down towards the planet.

Note: Even with Mass Effect reducing the fuel expenditure of course changes to almost nothing, its going to be easier, faster, and more efficient to make a manuever that doesn't complete reverse your velocity.

Modifié par Archereon, 18 décembre 2010 - 11:02 .

[Archereon]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Archereon wrote...

You would never kill the speed on a military spacecraft engaged in combat

Sir! Tell that to Joker, Sir! He's got his own opinion on evasive manuevers, Admiral, Sir!

Seriously, "stationary" means in relation to tha spot downm below on the planets surface. In relatiion to the Collector ship it means the Normandy stayed in motion (due to the Colector ship's own velocity, and synchronizing with the planet's rotation).

C'mon, it's no rocket science... Oh, wait...

The Earth rotates at about 1.609344 kilometers per second.  While that's a very high speed for a real spacecraft, adding mass effect in this mix makes it pathetically slow.  Honestly I don't know why the Normandy didn't immediate jump away, if only to put some distance between it and the collector cruiser as soon as it detected it moving on an intercept trajectory.

All I'm trying to say is that it seems EXTREMELY improbable that the Normandy would be perfectly stationary relative to the planet at the time of its destruction, especially in a combat situation.  Even if it was, there's still the fact that brain damage would set in rather quickly even with Shepard's body temperature greatly reduced, it might even do more harm than good considering that water expands when it freezes, and the brain contains a great deal of fluid.

Modifié par Archereon, 18 décembre 2010 - 11:10 .