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[Guns3]

"Unlike the Mass Effect series, you won't feel left out if you haven't played Origins. The team has established canon if you start out fresh, and since the story isn't a direct continuation, Dragon Age 2 will be a great entry point."

What's the point of me being able to pick a choice if ultimately it doesn't change much and the "true" outcome is decided for me. Especially if it just causes small cameos like in Mass Effect 2. Bioware should be making a sequel for the fans of the original not as a means of getting more sales because the first was so successful.

Modifié par Guns3, 19 juillet 2010 - 07:52 .

[Arttis]

What are you trying to say?

Canon is needed unless you want to ignore everything that happened in the games before.

They want people to see effects of their decisions.

[Guns3]

Arttis wrote...

What are you trying to say?
Canon is needed unless you want to ignore everything that happened in the games before.
They want people to see effects of their decisions.

I'm saying I don't support them having canon. Make them play the first one. Why wouldnt you start playing a story based game with the first?

Modifié par Guns3, 19 juillet 2010 - 08:04 .

[Celticon]

It would be nice though if there was an option for the player to select the outcomes of Origins events when starting a new DA2 game. That way they could experience DA2 in different aspects without having to repeat DA:O countlessly just to meet a particular combination of events.

[Kaiser Shepard]

A "canon" in this context is more like a default story, not a real canon.



That being said, I thought Javier told you to stay away for a day. I'm afraid that this won't end well for you...

[Wittand25]

ME also has a canon if you do not import a Shepard.

It is already announced that we willl be able to import a safegame (even cross platform) so that we can play in the Thedas we left behind in DA:O.

If anything that was player influenced in DA:O (eg Ferelden royalty, dwarfen royalty, ...) gets even a mention or something more in DA2 the devs must decide what happened if you do not import a safegame.,

[17thknight]

Well, they need some kind of canon.



1. If they allow what you did in DA:O to affect DA2, then the plots/characters/worlds will cross over in some areas.



2. If they don't have a "canon" for it, then how would people with no DA:O save even be able to play the game?



Just because they choose something for you doesn't mean it's what "really" happened, it's just to help out the people who never played the original. With Mass Effect the "canon" has part 1 being pure renegade because this was the least popular way to play the game. IT allowed you to experience ME2 as if ME1 had been pure renegade without forcing you to replay ME1 as a pure renegade. IT was nice.

[In Exile]

It's absolutely not possible to create a game with significant plot diversions, and then have a second game meaningfully follow up on that. For one, you have to make your player base buy the first game. Bad, from a business standpoint. Second, you have lots of content people may never see. Bad, from a business standpoint. Third, you have to invest a lot of manpower into branching outcomes that branch, that may have more branching outcomes for the third game. It's just combinatiorally explosive and impossible for anyone to keep up with. It's why even in games, choices aren't actualy really ever referenced, and areas even in DA:O were completey self-contained with no influence on each other. Because it would just take way too long to do this right and would make no fiscal sense to do it.

[RobotNixon]

"One series of events must take presidence over us all!"
- Albert Einstein, Command and Conquer Red Alert 2 Yuri's Revenge

Modifié par RobotNixon, 19 juillet 2010 - 07:58 .

[okiness]

It's no more or less canon than the character I choose to use as my display pic one week or another XD. It's whatever you choose...randomly, it may even turn out.

[Riona45]

Guns3 wrote...

"Unlike the Mass Effect series, you won't feel left out if you haven't played Origins. The team has established canon if you start out fresh, and since the story isn't a direct continuation, Dragon Age 2 will be a great entry point."

Actually both ME2 and DA: Awakening assume a "canon" backstory if you do not import a character.  To be fair, it's nothing new.

Modifié par Riona45, 19 juillet 2010 - 08:05 .

[RobotNixon]

Riona45 wrote...

Guns3 wrote...

"Unlike the Mass Effect series, you won't feel left out if you haven't played Origins. The team has established canon if you start out fresh, and since the story isn't a direct continuation, Dragon Age 2 will be a great entry point."

Actually both ME2 and DA: Awakening assume a "canon" backstory if you do not import a character.  To be fair, it's nothing new.

Apparently Shepard, in canon form, is Space Stalin.

[Guns3]

I know Mass Effect 2 has a canon story which doesn't make any sense either. Again Story driven games aren't meant to be picked up starting with the second and they certainly shouldn't be made to support that.

[RobotNixon]

Guns3 wrote...

I know Mass Effect 2 has a canon story which doesn't make any sense either. Again Story driven games aren't meant to be picked up starting with the second and they certainly shouldn't be made to support that.

I think you're overreacting.

[UndercoverDoctor]

RobotNixon wrote...

Guns3 wrote...

I know Mass Effect 2 has a canon story which doesn't make any sense either. Again Story driven games aren't meant to be picked up starting with the second and they certainly shouldn't be made to support that.

I think you're overreacting.

[Guns3]

"Often, by the time you aren't overreacting it's too late"
- Prophet Guns, Year 1

Modifié par Guns3, 19 juillet 2010 - 08:23 .

[Riona45]

Guns3 wrote...

"Often, by the time you aren't overreacting it's too late"
- Prophet Guns, Year 1

Are you worried about your choices not mattering, or that fact that there is a default story for those who won't import a character? 

I want my choices to matter as well (and at least some of them must, if there's an import option), but for reasons stated by In Exile, I'd be surprised if they made any super huge difference.

[Arttis]

You often have your game watered down if you can not have access to somethings because you did not buy and make the right game choices.

[Loerwyn]

Why is there canon? Because they have no reason to "block" new players from playing their product. When they allow choices like we have (such as the end events of Awakening), there has to be a default story because if they decide to do a spin-off title, the existence of the canon storyline can be used to form a base for that title. It keeps consistency in the game world, and allows new players to jump in without any huge issues.

Sorry, that was a load of nonsensical rubbish. Will go away and come back with a proper answer

Modifié par OnlyShallow89, 19 juillet 2010 - 08:33 .

[RobotNixon]

RobotNixon wrote...

"One series of events must take presidence over us all!"
- Albert Einstein, Command and Conquer Red Alert 2 Yuri's Revenge

What? Nobody?

Lame.

[kansadoom]

Wouldnt it be unfair to make all new people coming to the series play the first one as well

[Lara Denton]

It must be a "canon", some sort of a default story for the people who don't have a save to import, that's all. For those who do have saves to import, their choices are going to be "canon".

[RobotNixon]

I'm telling you, Albert Einstein solved this problem back in the early 70's.

[syllogi]

They can be vague about the gender and race of the Hero of Ferelden, but they have to establish a king or queen, and whether the Dark Ritual took place. Believe me, I'd prefer if this wasn't necessary, but in order to have a default state for the world, and also to be able to do things like write more books or RPG materials, they need canon.

[Guns3]

Establishing canon does make it so you only get stuff like small cameos in sequels at least Biowares sequels, but I'm not worried how much my decision affects the game as much as I'm worried about Bioware making sequels of story based games for people who have the intent on skipping the first.

Modifié par Guns3, 19 juillet 2010 - 08:54 .