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[RobotNixon]

Guns3 wrote...

Establishing canon does make it so you only get stuff like small cameos in sequels at least Biowares sequels, but I'm not worried how much my decision affects the game as much as I'm worried about Bioware making sequels of story based games for people who have the intent on skipping the first.

I can agree with this.

But in reality, don't small cameos make more sense?

[elearon1]

If they didn't have any canons what would the pirates fire during sea battles? Come on man, think!

[Guns3]

elearon1 wrote...

If they didn't have any canons what would the pirates fire during sea battles? Come on man, think!

Ale and gold out of their arse

[Revya]

Awakening had canon if you used a new Warden.



I just want the canon story to have more personality than ME canon

[In Exile]

RobotNixon wrote...

Apparently Shepard, in canon form, is Space Stalin.

I think the logic was, no reccuring characters. If it could die, it did, so new players didn't start reminiscing with people they didn't know. It actually made for a great crapsack world.

[Guns3]

Revya wrote...

Awakening had canon if you used a new Warden.

I just want the canon story to have more personality than ME canon

What was the canon if you used a new Warden?

[Aradace]

What alot of people are not realizing is that BioWare, just like ANY other company, will ultimately choose SALES and PROFITS in the end over what the fan base wants. If this new "approach" nets them more sales and profits, then guess what? That's what they're going to do. As I've said on other threads; If you dont like the direction they're taking with the franchise, then dont buy the game...I can promise you, by you NOT buying the game, you are NOT going to hurt they're profit margins at all.

[TheMufflon]

elearon1 wrote...

If they didn't have any canons what would the pirates fire during sea battles?

Maybe they could try fireing cannons?

[Revya]

Guns3 wrote...

Revya wrote...

Awakening had canon if you used a new Warden.

I just want the canon story to have more personality than ME canon

What was the canon if you used a new Warden?

From what I can remember Bhelen is king so is Alistair

[Guns3]

Revya wrote...

Guns3 wrote...

Revya wrote...

Awakening had canon if you used a new Warden.

I just want the canon story to have more personality than ME canon

What was the canon if you used a new Warden?

From what I can remember Bhelen is king so is Alistair

Which means Loghain is dead good

Modifié par Guns3, 19 juillet 2010 - 09:48 .

[Aradace]

TheMufflon wrote...

elearon1 wrote...

If they didn't have any canons what would the pirates fire during sea battles?

Maybe they could try fireing cannons?

Or perhaps even FIRING cannons? (sorry had to do it.)

[Narreneth]

Guns3 wrote...

Arttis wrote...

What are you trying to say?
Canon is needed unless you want to ignore everything that happened in the games before.
They want people to see effects of their decisions.

I'm saying I don't support them having canon. Make them play the first one. Why wouldnt you start playing a story based game with the first?

Way to be an elitist ******.

[elearon1]

Oh, c.a.n.n.o.n.s! Yeah, cannons are sweet!

As for the why ... it makes writing the story easier if you have a solid center from which you can then let people deviate rather than a mess of choices with no concept of what the mean is.

Modifié par elearon1, 19 juillet 2010 - 09:52 .

[The Console Version is good]

I deleted all of my Dragon age saves after my disk broke and I sure as hell am not buying another disk, So I will start Dragon age 2 fresh off the bat.



I feel like Dragon age 2 is going to be like a reboot except Bioware is doing it very silently.

[Noviere]

Guns3 wrote...

I'm saying I don't support them having canon. Make them play the first one. Why wouldnt you start playing a story based game with the first?

This will never happen. The mere notion of requiring people to buy the first game in order to play the second is completely absurd. EA will not turn away sales just to grant your bizarre request.

Modifié par Noviere, 19 juillet 2010 - 09:59 .

[I saved Star Wars :D]

What if I buy a new pc, or reformat and lose my saves. Are you saying that I should have to play through DAO again just to play its sequel, Guns3?



I think you are angry about something to do with the new game, which is fair enough, but having a canon backstory for those not importing surely isn't a bad thing? On the contrary, these forums would be absolutely deluged with complaints if Bioware were to announce that the only way to play DA2 is if you buy and play DAO.



Just look at people's attitude to paid DLC if you want evidence of that.

[Arrtis]

too true.

[Chuvvy]

I felt left out of ME2 and I played ME1. WTF is this ****?

[Guns3]

If anything then just make something at the beginning which has the main options listed out then choose your outcome. Making sequels for people who haven't played the first makes no sense.

Modifié par Guns3, 19 juillet 2010 - 10:04 .

[Vaeliorin]

To the best of my knowledge, Jade Empire is the only Bioware game (well, starting with BG) that doesn't have canon.



I don't see how it really matters, but hey, whatever floats your boat, I suppose.

[Narreneth]

Guns3 wrote...

If anything then just make something at the beginning which has the main options listed out then choose your outcome. Making sequels for people who haven't played the first makes no sense.

Yeah because they're specifically making the sequel for people who haven't played the first one; and, it's a good move to let them make decisions on certian events that they have literally no reference point or clue about and could have major effects on the story they receive.    Not to mention these people may later go buy Origins if they liked DA:2 enough to do it.  Do you think before you post or do you just smash your face against the keyboard and go with whatever the resulting letters are?

[Arrtis]

They should really add just a random canon every new game.

[Guns3]

Narreneth wrote...

Guns3 wrote...

If anything then just make something at the beginning which has the main options listed out then choose your outcome. Making sequels for people who haven't played the first makes no sense.

Yeah because they're specifically making the sequel for people who haven't played the first one; and, it's a good move to let them make decisions on certian events that they have literally no reference point or clue about and could have major effects on the story they receive.    Not to mention these people may later go buy Origins if they liked DA:2 enough to do it.  Do you think before you post or do you just smash your face against the keyboard and go with whatever the resulting letters are?

WHICH IS WHY MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T PLAY A GAME WITH 2 STAMPED ON IT AND PLAY THE FIRST ONE SO THEY UNDERSTAND. 

[Narreneth]

Guns3 wrote...

Narreneth wrote...

Guns3 wrote...

If anything then just make something at the beginning which has the main options listed out then choose your outcome. Making sequels for people who haven't played the first makes no sense.

Yeah because they're specifically making the sequel for people who haven't played the first one; and, it's a good move to let them make decisions on certian events that they have literally no reference point or clue about and could have major effects on the story they receive.    Not to mention these people may later go buy Origins if they liked DA:2 enough to do it.  Do you think before you post or do you just smash your face against the keyboard and go with whatever the resulting letters are?

WHICH IS WHY MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T PLAY A GAME WITH 2 STAMPED ON IT AND PLAY THE FIRST ONE SO THEY UNDERSTAND. 

Again, you're acting like an elitist ******.  They are consumers and may be drawn to it for multiple different reasons.  Let go of the caps lock and take a few breaths.  If you still can't understand why what you're whining about here doesn't make sense, drag your face across the pavement a few thousand times.  Forcing someone to play the first game in a series that they a) may not be interested in or may not have heard of before the sequel is the worst idea anyone could ever conceive when they are writing a game.

You made a point earlier that canon limits the possibilities of having characters return in new games beyond anything but a cameo:  do you realize how completely off base that is?  If there is no canon at all the characters cannot return.  Period.  Why?  Because in order to allow for all characters to make a return they would have to have  all the voice actors return all writers for those characters write an entire games worth of lines for those characters, and ultimately many of them would be unused content.  If I killed Wynne in my game, or Alistair got executed, just how are they going to make more than a cameo in my next game, hmmm?  The canon allows for a pick-up point and backstory to exist.  Otherwise everything is a separate game with no ties to the others.  It can't all be completely driven by your choices in the first one.

[Guns3]

Narreneth wrote...

Guns3 wrote...

Narreneth wrote...

Guns3 wrote...

If anything then just make something at the beginning which has the main options listed out then choose your outcome. Making sequels for people who haven't played the first makes no sense.

Yeah because they're specifically making the sequel for people who haven't played the first one; and, it's a good move to let them make decisions on certian events that they have literally no reference point or clue about and could have major effects on the story they receive.    Not to mention these people may later go buy Origins if they liked DA:2 enough to do it.  Do you think before you post or do you just smash your face against the keyboard and go with whatever the resulting letters are?

WHICH IS WHY MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T PLAY A GAME WITH 2 STAMPED ON IT AND PLAY THE FIRST ONE SO THEY UNDERSTAND. 

Again, you're acting like an elitist ******.  They are consumers and may be drawn to it for multiple different reasons.  Let go of the caps lock and take a few breaths.  If you still can't understand why what you're whining about here doesn't make sense, drag your face across the pavement a few thousand times.  Forcing someone to play the first game in a series that they a) may not be interested in or may not have heard of before the sequel is the worst idea anyone could ever conceive when they are writing a game.

You made a point earlier that canon limits the possibilities of having characters return in new games beyond anything but a cameo:  do you realize how completely off base that is?  If there is no canon at all the characters cannot return.  Period.  Why?  Because in order to allow for all characters to make a return they would have to have  all the voice actors return all writers for those characters write an entire games worth of lines for those characters, and ultimately many of them would be unused content.  If I killed Wynne in my game, or Alistair got executed, just how are they going to make more than a cameo in my next game, hmmm?  The canon allows for a pick-up point and backstory to exist.  Otherwise everything is a separate game with no ties to the others.  It can't all be completely driven by your choices in the first one.

There is really no problem with a character returning with lines, that some will not see. They're aren't exactly lacking in money.