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[Riona45]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

Anything BUT a human. I hate playing humans. It always ends up with the horrible trope that "Humans are special."

As we all know, Tropes are Not Bad.

But seriously, I didn't come away from DA:O (after playing a human mage) with the feeling that Humans are Special.  I felt like my character was special, but not humans as a race.  I got the feeling that many of them were selfish, cruel and/or ignorant bastards.

[Arrtis]

City elf origin shows off how bad the humans can be.

[Ahisgewaya]

Riona45 wrote...
I got the feeling that many of them were selfish, cruel and/or ignorant bastards.

Really? I got the feeling that ALL of them were. Which is yet another reason why I ask why I would want to be the champion of a society so utterly disgusting and slimy? Human mages screwed the world over by trying to be a god. 
Human church people enslaved the elves and in many ways their own people. They also regularly kill people just because they're different. Why would I want to pretend I'm one of them? (and yes, I realize I am human in real life, but humans aren't the kings of douchebaggery in real life that the ones in this game are)

[Maugrim]

Ahisgewaya wrote...

(and yes, I realize I am human in real life, but humans aren't the kings of douchebaggery in real life that the ones in this game are)

Must...not...Godwin....thread.....

[Riona45]

Ahisgewaya wrote...
 Human mages screwed the world over by trying to be a god. 

Only according to the teachings of the Chantry, an institution you don't seem to like or trust anyway. 

(and yes, I realize I am human in real life, but humans aren't the kings of douchebaggery in real life that the ones in this game are)

...Really?

Modifié par Riona45, 20 juillet 2010 - 05:11 .

[Arttis]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Ahisgewaya wrote...

(and yes, I realize I am human in real life, but humans aren't the kings of douchebaggery in real life that the ones in this game are)

Must...not...Godwin....thread.....

I do not understadn what that means but Good job using restraint...

[Ahisgewaya]

Riona45 wrote...

Ahisgewaya wrote...
 Human mages screwed the world over by trying to be a god. 

Only according to the teachings of the Chantry, an institution you don't seem to like or trust anyway. 

(and yes, I realize I am human in real life, but humans aren't the kings of douchebaggery in real life that the ones in this game are)

...Really?

You really think that humans as a whole still are thrilled to death about slavery? Okay, nice cynical view of the world there. Enjoy being part of a group that you hate then.

[Arttis]

Were human people get over it...UNLESS...aliens...

[Riona45]

Ahisgewaya wrote...


You really think that humans as a whole still are thrilled to death about slavery? Okay, nice cynical view of the world there. Enjoy being part of a group that you hate then.

Umm, I never said I hated humans as a whole.  You're assuming a lot about me based on a post on a video game messageboard.  And, you are the one who thinks every single human in the DA world is bad.

[Ahisgewaya]

I understand that this is a "Dark Fantasy" which means everybody isn't nice and the world isn't all rosy, but if that is the case I should be able to lead a group of elves to kill all the humans and free their people. Instead I am made yet another victim. I do not find being a victim "fun".

[Arttis]

Make a mod where your an elf freeing your people and killing all humans...or ask soemoen to make something like it....

[Ahisgewaya]

Riona45 wrote...

Ahisgewaya wrote...


You really think that humans as a whole still are thrilled to death about slavery? Okay, nice cynical view of the world there. Enjoy being part of a group that you hate then.

Umm, I never said I hated humans as a whole.  You're assuming a lot about me based on a post on a video game messageboard.  And, you are the one who thinks every single human in the DA world is bad.

I'm not assuming anything. You implied in your last post that humans are the same in the real world as they are in Dragon Age. I strongly disagree. I've met a lot of decent honorable people, even leaders in real life. In Dragon Age there's Alistair (and even he whines a lot).

[Riona45]

Ahisgewaya wrote...

I'm not assuming anything. You implied in your last post that humans are the same in the real world as they are in Dragon Age. I strongly disagree. I've met a lot of decent honorable people, even leaders in real life. In Dragon Age there's Alistair (and even he whines a lot).

But I don't agree with your declaration that every human in the DA setting is bad, so therefore what you are assuming about me (based on what YOU think about the humans in DA) is wrong, and pretty irrelevant besides.

[Arttis]

Eh was Eamon honorable?

[Aristorum]

I'd play krogan.

[Arttis]

Aristorum wrote...

I'd play krogan.

Why not something that is listed?

[winter troll]

i would choose elf , but considering how cliche, tiny and boring elves look ill stick with humies . Unless i can be a warhammer orc , that would sexy and screaming WAAAGHHH! never gets old

[thegreateski]

winter troll wrote...

i would choose elf , but considering how cliche, tiny and boring elves look ill stick with humies . Unless i can be a warhammer orc , that would sexy and screaming WAAAGHHH! never gets old

[Arttis]

No ORKS or ORCs....

[Sable Rhapsody]

Honestly, I'd care more if the races and race relations weren't so cliched. Tropes are not bad, I know XD But the whole humans are enslaving jerks, dwarves have epic beards and live underground, and "elves are a lithe, pointy-eared people who excel at poverty" thing is JUST PLAIN OLD. It wasn't implemented poorly in DA:O--it was implemented blandly. Except for the backstabbing of the dwarves and their rigid caste system...that was a cool cultural element. Generally, though? Been there, done that, and done it better in other games/books/movies.

...now if BioWare gave me the opportunity to play as a Great Old One... 

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 20 juillet 2010 - 06:37 .

[Arttis]

I thought how elves were treated was new....
Minus Overlord....and Overlord2.....

Modifié par Arttis, 20 juillet 2010 - 06:44 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Arttis wrote...

I thought how elves were treated was new....
Minus Overlord....and Overlord2.....

Mmm...it's not so much elves in specific as the elves' role as Race of Woobies because HUMANZ ARE TEH EVILZ that's horribly cliched. Harry Potter is the first thing that comes to mind for humans' truly god-awful treatment of non-human sentients, not just house-elves.  And if I try to list the number of JRPGs with the humans are a**holes to other sentients trope in them, my eyeballs will explode.

Like I said, tropes are not bad.  It's the bland overuse of them that's bad.  BioWare is generally good at using even the most cliched tropes--like being the child of a god--very well, which is why the dull race dynamics in DA:O surprised me.  Especially given the depth and richness of the species dynamics in the ME IP.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 20 juillet 2010 - 06:49 .

[Arttis]

Not child of god...

Just the soul of a being called an Old god...

[Sable Rhapsody]

Arttis wrote...

Not child of god...
Just the soul of a being called an Old god...

I was referring to BG2   

[Arttis]

Never played it....