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[Khaos2000]

The voice direction the director made Hale go with Jacob is the key reason why mine will never go that way either. If for some reason Cathryne didn't return to Liara it'd have to be Tali or Garrus, since they've just been through SOOOO much together. The new crew is good and all but... it's not the same, the levels of emotions just aren't there.



Edit: Top of the page Cat! (I hope) OR not, and I even logged in... wiiiieeeerrdd

To try again...

Modifié par Khaos2000, 25 mars 2011 - 11:53 .

[FireEye]

*snrk* I never had a real problem with Shepard's voice there. I still think it sounds more threatening than flirty. Not that threatening bodes well for a romantic relationship, mind you...

I'm also amused at how there seems to be a normal friendship path recording for that line, but it seems busted and only cropped up for me once (and Jacob went back from "Hey, let's spill drinks!" to "I'm not to keen on forcing these conversations" for that one exchange... weird).

Modifié par FireEye, 25 mars 2011 - 11:46 .

[Captain Crash]

jwalker wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...

Well as we know Ash was scripted as a femshep LI initially so it could have been a possibility...


Wonder if it made the final game how many people would select it...  

Yay !
scampermax' Prosperity and Ash <3

:innocent:

[ADLegend21]

I still don't see how Hale's voice work hs anything to do with Jacob being a bad romance option, if Anything it's like she's giving the player a hint, hey this guys cool give him a shot. But then again I'm also one of the people who dont' find hale's voicing towards him flirty when not pursuing the romance option.

[Cyansomnia]

@ADLegend

To be honest, I just don't feel any of my current FemSheps really fit with Jacob. I tend to be very particular about their personalities. I've romanced him just for the heck of it, because I want to see everything in the game. Most of them are good friends with him though, and find him likeable (except his occasional foot-in-mouthery, which I think makes him more interesting).

[Lord Zeuss]

Cara is romancing Jacob, and Hale's lines fit her perfectly.

[Khaos2000]

My biggest problem with Jacob (Beyond the way in which Hale talks to him, which is different than anyone else imho) is that he seems far to two dimensional. I think the Biotics actually cause it. I feel that if he didn't have the biotics and he was just an ex-alliance now cerberus soldier with shotgun and assault rifle in some armor he'd have been a stronger character. Just my opinion. As it stands none of my shep's personalities really work with him either but I think that might be -my- personality influencing my shep in this case. Besides the fact that he willingly signed up with a terrorist organization...

[ADLegend21]

Khaos2000 wrote...

My biggest problem with Jacob (Beyond the way in which Hale talks to him, which is different than anyone else imho) is that he seems far to two dimensional. I think the Biotics actually cause it. I feel that if he didn't have the biotics and he was just an ex-alliance now cerberus soldier with shotgun and assault rifle in some armor he'd have been a stronger character. Just my opinion. As it stands none of my shep's personalities really work with him either but I think that might be -my- personality influencing my shep in this case. Besides the fact that he willingly signed up with a terrorist organization...

There is a logical reason to join cerberus. The fact that they've done terroist things in the past doesn't take away from them doing the right thing now by bringingour girl Shepard back to fight the reapers. the enitre CREW willingly left the alliance for Cerberus. Chakwas signed up. Joker signed up. Garrus signed up. Tali signed up. Plus Jacob's saved the council with Cerberus before and even states that he's only onboard as long as their oing the right thing. Plus they're in it for Shepard not for Cerberus.

[Kaltrec]

The way i see the conversations with Jacob, is that Shepard knows that he finds her attractive and she's just having fun with it, most of the time it looks like she's about to laugh during the scene. The problem here is that Shepard is reacting despite the opinion of the player, we lose control of her at this point, that's why it feels so akward with everyone,

Modifié par Kaltrec, 26 mars 2011 - 12:42 .

[Shenzi]

ADLegend21 wrote...

I still don't see how Hale's voice work hs anything to do with Jacob being a bad romance option, if Anything it's like she's giving the player a hint, hey this guys cool give him a shot. But then again I'm also one of the people who dont' find hale's voicing towards him flirty when not pursuing the romance option.

Well given that Shepard at that point has only been alive again for a few days if you talk to him right after you enter the SR2 for the first time and she's not exactly going to be looking for a new romance if she was in one when she died (well at least not my Shepards).

I got that line the very first time I talked to Jacob and at that time thought "wtf just came out of Shepard's mouth", hit reload and never choose that option again with any Shepard of mine.  To me it was just completely out of character for my Shepard to respond like that.

Modifié par Shenzi, 26 mars 2011 - 12:42 .

[Khaos2000]

The difference is those people signed up BECAUSE of Shephard. Jacob signed up to chase Miranda's backside essentially. He signed up with Cerberus before you were even dead. I almost view Cerberus activities as a smoke screen to try and get Shep's help as the first game, the books, they all pain Cerberus in a -very- different light. The Illusive man was giving Shep missions custom designed to try and make Shep have faith in Cerberus. We can't forget what they did to Toombs, or Admiral Kohaku, or trying to keep the base so the Illusive Man could make his own Reaper and just forget about the little indoctrination thing...

[Captain Crash]

Kaltrec wrote...

The problem here is that Shepard is reacting despite the opinion of the player, we lose control of her at this point, that's why it feels so akward with everyone,

Very true,  guess we can add this to the list of things were helpless to prevent

- Being grounded by the Council and almost having your mission crushed.  Thankfully your LI and Anderson come to your rescue.

- Suprise attack from Collectors. Seeing your beloved spaceship get destroy and some crew dieing. Then you yourself get spaced and die from asphyxiation

- Talking to Jacob

   

[ADLegend21]

Shenzi wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I still don't see how Hale's voice work hs anything to do with Jacob being a bad romance option, if Anything it's like she's giving the player a hint, hey this guys cool give him a shot. But then again I'm also one of the people who dont' find hale's voicing towards him flirty when not pursuing the romance option.

Well given that Shepard at that point has only been alive again for a few days if you talk to him right after you enter the SR2 for the first time and she's not exactly going to be looking for a new romance if she was in one when she died (well at least not my Shepards).

I got that line the very first time I talked to Jacob and at that time thought "wtf just came out of Shepard's mouth", hit reload and never choose that option again with any Shepard of mine.  To me it was just completely out of character for my Shepard to respond like that.

"I'm more interested in just talking for a bit" qualifies as "looking for new romance"? she's asking for a personal chat it's not like you can only do that with Jacob. I'll admit it's more than the "have you got a minute?" than most squaddies get but Jascob does ask if you need him for something.

[FireEye]

ADLegend21 wrote...

There is a logical reason to join cerberus.

I disagree. 

Cerberus aside, I can see where "the voice" would put some people off.  Besides the fact that it seems to be a glitch (the "I'm interested in getting to know you better" line that apparently never shows up in play is delivered friendly and beautifully nonchalant, perfect for a friendship path), if you're trying to play Shepard as... say... a no-nonsense, no-joking stoic, it might jar with the perception of the character you thought you knew.

Regardless, my main problem with Jacob is what feels like a drastic shift from Lazarus to the Normandy (I liked him on Lazarus, but felt distanced on the Normandy).  I wasn't particularly impressed with his views of the Alliance, either.  His romance, as I understand it, is decent once it gets rolling... he's just not someone we're interested in.

[Shenzi]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Shenzi wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I still don't see how Hale's voice work hs anything to do with Jacob being a bad romance option, if Anything it's like she's giving the player a hint, hey this guys cool give him a shot. But then again I'm also one of the people who dont' find hale's voicing towards him flirty when not pursuing the romance option.

Well given that Shepard at that point has only been alive again for a few days if you talk to him right after you enter the SR2 for the first time and she's not exactly going to be looking for a new romance if she was in one when she died (well at least not my Shepards).

I got that line the very first time I talked to Jacob and at that time thought "wtf just came out of Shepard's mouth", hit reload and never choose that option again with any Shepard of mine.  To me it was just completely out of character for my Shepard to respond like that.

"I'm more interested in just talking for a bit" qualifies as "looking for new romance"? she's asking for a personal chat it's not like you can only do that with Jacob. I'll admit it's more than the "have you got a minute?" than most squaddies get but Jascob does ask if you need him for something.

It's not what she says, but how she says it.

Edit -  I know other people may interpret the VA differently but to me it sounded inappropriate given the circumstances.

Modifié par Shenzi, 26 mars 2011 - 01:10 .

[ADLegend21]

Khaos2000 wrote...

The difference is those people signed up BECAUSE of Shephard. Jacob signed up to chase Miranda's backside essentially. He signed up with Cerberus before you were even dead. I almost view Cerberus activities as a smoke screen to try and get Shep's help as the first game, the books, they all pain Cerberus in a -very- different light. The Illusive man was giving Shep missions custom designed to try and make Shep have faith in Cerberus. We can't forget what they did to Toombs, or Admiral Kohaku, or trying to keep the base so the Illusive Man could make his own Reaper and just forget about the little indoctrination thing...

Doing good work =/= chasing Miranda. I doubt Cerberus could have kept Jacob without assinging him to Shepard's mission especially if he was assinged to the Overlord cell. YEs they've done terrible things but right now they're the only game in town when it comes to the reapers. The Alliance is held down by the council now and the council says "reapers are a myth" They're actively fighting your enemies so you have to. Jacob is the security Chief on Lazarus station Guarding Shepard during the entire process. He's still loyal to Shepard and cares about how she's doing (in fact he's the only LI that asks hwo shepard feels about being dead and brought back to life, so there's her reaction to it). Point is, you shouldn't forsake his romannce path base on a "lets talk" line because he's one damn fine Love interest.

[ADLegend21]

FireEye wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

There is a logical reason to join cerberus.

I disagree. 

Cerberus aside, I can see where "the voice" would put some people off.  Besides the fact that it seems to be a glitch (the "I'm interested in getting to know you better" line that apparently never shows up in play is delivered friendly and beautifully nonchalant, perfect for a friendship path), if you're trying to play Shepard as... say... a no-nonsense, no-joking stoic, it might jar with the perception of the character you thought you knew.

Regardless, my main problem with Jacob is what feels like a drastic shift from Lazarus to the Normandy (I liked him on Lazarus, but felt distanced on the Normandy).  I wasn't particularly impressed with his views of the Alliance, either.  His romance, as I understand it, is decent once it gets rolling... he's just not someone we're interested in.

I understand. but his  views on the alliance are similar to most of the non combat crew since most of them lef the alliance during their backslide during Shepard's death. a cerberus was actively recruiting to fight the reapers (hence the logical reason to join Cerberus)

[JamieCOTC]

Jacob does let femShep (and only femShep) vent about being "gone" or how she got roped into this job, but then he dismisses it and that's a very important point to his character. Jacob is ALL about the mission, everything else is secondary. he may have conflicts w/ joining Cerberus, but for him, that has to wait.  Yes, he chose to join Cerberus which should make it all the more personal.  He comes off as stonewalling or hiding his feelings and maybe he is, but it would have been nice had they explored that a bit further ... w/out the prize.

And now back to femShep ... she's hot.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 26 mars 2011 - 01:14 .

[FireEye]

ADLegend21 wrote...

I understand. but his  views on the alliance are similar to most of the non combat crew since most of them lef the alliance during their backslide during Shepard's death. a cerberus was actively recruiting to fight the reapers (hence the logical reason to join Cerberus)

I dunno: I always got the impression that the only reason the Alliance seems to have backslid at all is because tIM was spreading rumors of Shepard being with Cerberus.  In fact, the Lazarus cell seems to have specifically recruited using the slogan, "Get your Shepard here!" 

[ADLegend21]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Jacob does let femShep (and only femShep) vent about being "gone" or how she got roped into this job, but then he dismisses it and that's a very important point to his character. Jacob is ALL about the mission, everything else is secondary. he may have conflicts w/ joining Cerberus, but for him, that has to wait.  Yes, he chose to join Cerberus which should make it all the more personal.  He comes off as stonewalling or hiding his feelings and maybe he is, but it would have been nice had they explored that a bit further ... w/out the prize.

And now back to femShep ... she's hot.

eh, I only remembering him "dimissing" or encouraging her when she expresses surivivors guilt. the others I forget cuz that's the last one I chose but yes Femshep is hot and Jacob deserves a hot Femshep.

[ADLegend21]

FireEye wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I understand. but his  views on the alliance are similar to most of the non combat crew since most of them lef the alliance during their backslide during Shepard's death. a cerberus was actively recruiting to fight the reapers (hence the logical reason to join Cerberus)

I dunno: I always got the impression that the only reason the Alliance seems to have backslid at all is because tIM was spreading rumors of Shepard being with Cerberus.  In fact, the Lazarus cell seems to have specifically recruited using the slogan, "Get your Shepard here!" 

that is an interesting idea since we have no Idea when the backslide started and when TIM started the rumors of Shepard being with Cerberus, but the council made it clear that they don't believe in the Reapers and that sovereign was a geth ship (even dismissing Legion as a trophy bot when he dismisses their opinion) The alliance is too shorthanded with the alien council allive so they can't help anyway so Our girl femshep needs all the allies she can get to get the job done.


"I'll teach those bastards to dismiss my claims"

[sagefic]

Khaos2000 wrote...

My biggest problem with Jacob (Beyond the way in which Hale talks to him, which is different than anyone else imho) is that he seems far to two dimensional. I think the Biotics actually cause it. I feel that if he didn't have the biotics and he was just an ex-alliance now cerberus soldier with shotgun and assault rifle in some armor he'd have been a stronger character. Just my opinion. As it stands none of my shep's personalities really work with him either but I think that might be -my- personality influencing my shep in this case. Besides the fact that he willingly signed up with a terrorist organization...

this, this, and THISSSSSS.

omg, i'm sorry, but I CAN'T STAND that jacob is a biotic. 

kaidan - horrible youth in biotic hell training.
jack - HORRIBLE childhood/youth in biotic hell HOLE
mirianda - troubling childhood/youth pushed by tutors to be "perfect" in everything
biotic shepard - depends on how you choose to view it, but most have a story in mind that involves some heartache

+ biotic commune mission
+ biotic extremists mission
+ biotic terrorists mission

then...

jacob? "I'm a biotic. Tell me when you want me to hit them with the good stuff."

WHHHAAA?? ugh. i hate that! it just undermines everything the writers had estabilished about human biotics. human biotics ALL have something insane to say about it their pasts even if they've gotten over it like kaidan has and miranda seems to. it just annoyed me so much. i, too, would have liked jacob much more if he'd been a soldier and they'd been able to do more with why he's bada** without the biotics.

i seriously think they did it just to use biotic powers in the intro tutorial, which is just beyond lame.

Modifié par sagequeen, 26 mars 2011 - 01:42 .

[ADLegend21]

@Sage-I see your point, but all human biotics don't have to be tortured or jaded, Biotic Shepard's don't have special backstories compared to the non biotic Shepard's.

[NM7]

Did you really expect Jacob to be a popular alternate LI choice for people's femshep, AD?

I've never done the Jacob romance with any of my Shepards, (and never will) as that opening line just kills it for me. As Shenzi said, it's the way Hale says the; "I'm more interested in talking for a bit." line. The tone of her voice implies she's after him, (or at least that's how it sounds to me) regardless of if that was the players intention or not. I don't even bother speaking to him, apart from triggering his loyalty mission, purely because of the way that opening line is delivered. It just doesn't fit with my Shepard's personality for her to talk to him like that.

As for working with Cerberus. If I could tell TIMmeh to do one right from the off, I would. The fact Shepard just agrees to work with them so readily after everything she knows they've done makes her come across as gullible. Especially if your Shepard has the sole survivor background.

[JamieCOTC]

ADLegend21 wrote...

@Sage-I see your point, but all human biotics don't have to be tortured or jaded, Biotic Shepard's don't have special backstories compared to the non biotic Shepard's.

You're wrong, AD.  All characters regardless of biotics must be tortured or jaded.  Didn't you play DA2? 


"Must DA2 be criticized in every thread?"