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[Sable Phoenix]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

What we know of Arrival still bugs me. It strikes me as the final push of ME2 to completely jettison ME1 and render it irrelevant to the story. Mass relays are indestructible and the only one into the galaxy from wherever the Reapers are is the Citadel. Suddenly now neither of those are true (supposedly... I'm still hoping we've been given red herrings, somehow). It just rubs me wrong.

an the Codex also said the Protheans just vanished, the reapers are a myth and Sovereign is a geth Ship. Also (non codex) REapers are invicible immortals, but Is eem to rmemeber Joker punching a massive hole in one and it going boom.

Mass relays can survive supernovae.  Somehow, I doubt crashing an asteroid into one would manage to do much more than scratch the paint.

edit:  GAH!  ToPShep!

This is probably pushing the line for the public boards, but you can't actually see anything that's "objectionable" here, especially considering some of the other stuff that's appeared from time to time.  And I find the scene to be beautiful, in several ways, so...

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 28 mars 2011 - 11:00 .

[Cyansomnia]

@Sable

I'm wondering about those things myself. Maybe the Reapers had some sort of back-up plan in case the Citadel relay trap failed. There's no way to really know their plans. Even so, they'd get to the Milky Way eventually, somehow. I don't see them giving up. Ever.

There's a few things in the trailer that have me formulating some theories, which is why I try to avoid spoilers somewhat. It'll be interesting to see if they're correct!

As for destroying a Relay... no freakin' clue.  I have a feeling things will play out differently (judging from what I saw).

@Sage and TheMarshal

I agree with you that Kaidan/Ash and their relationship with Shepard should be given much needed attention and care in ME3. It better. Or I'm getting out the torches and pitchforks.

EDIT:
FlyCam question:

Is there a way to setup FlyCam in ME1 so you can move it around in cutscenes like the one above?  It always freezes the camera in place when I use it.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 28 mars 2011 - 11:09 .

[Captain Crash]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

@Sable

I'm wondering about those things myself. Maybe the Reapers had some sort of back-up plan in case the Citadel relay trap failed. There's no way to really know their plans. Even so, they'd get to the Milky Way eventually, somehow. I don't see them giving up. Ever.

"Human you have failed. We will find another way....  again!"  


And Thanks for the support with the zip and downloads folks.  Much appreciated 

[ADLegend21]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

What we know of Arrival still bugs me. It strikes me as the final push of ME2 to completely jettison ME1 and render it irrelevant to the story. Mass relays are indestructible and the only one into the galaxy from wherever the Reapers are is the Citadel. Suddenly now neither of those are true (supposedly... I'm still hoping we've been given red herrings, somehow). It just rubs me wrong.

an the Codex also said the Protheans just vanished, the reapers are a myth and Sovereign is a geth Ship. Also (non codex) REapers are invicible immortals, but Is eem to rmemeber Joker punching a massive hole in one and it going boom.

Mass relays can survive supernovae.  Somehow, I doubt crashing an asteroid into one would manage to do much more than scratch the paint.

edit:  GAH!  ToPShep!

This is probably pushing the line for the public boards, but you can't actually see anything that's "objectionable" here, especially considering some of the other stuff that's appeared from time to time.  And I find the scene to be beautiful, in several ways, so...

/sexiness snip

That's true but a SuperNova is an outward push of radiation if I rememeber correctly from my astronomy class last fall. This is a massive asteroid making PHYSICAL contact at high speeds in zero gravity and the asteroid is posssibly covered in explosives which would also help in destroying it. It's made from reaper tech and reaper tech can be destroyed, so it's not that hard to believe, at least for me.

[Shadow_Soul]

Re: FemShep litho
Hm...I want something like Ele08's Commanders. Because, you know, that's just awesome. It has many  iconic FemSheps, is really well done, and has a fanfic that goes with it, done by ADLegend21.

I really need to stop playing DA2 lately, Arrival comes out really soon, and I'm still playing DA2 *sigh* Not that that's a bad thing...plus RL and everything.

Edit:

@Captain Crash
That takes I lot of work, yes? It's worth it, like cosplay. Take time and energy but is always worth it in the end (except cosplay also takes money....)

@Aislinn
If the VS romance doesn't get the correct attention it deserves in ME3, there will be a lot of mad fans...and Shepards.

Modifié par Shadow_Soul, 28 mars 2011 - 11:16 .

[TheMarshal]

@Aislinn

Amen. I'm only really looking for the conclusion to one romantic relationship, personally, but I certainly want some sort of continuation for the rest of the friendships that were built up over the two games.

[NM7]

MizzNaaa wrote...

Akari Tenshi wrote...

MizzNaaa wrote...
-snip-

I mean, look at ELE's Caroline, or Akodo's Marge, or Sage's Valkyrie, or or Aslinn's Holly, or Akari's MacKenzie...I mean wow.

-snip-

As awesome as MacKenzie is, she isn't my femshep. She belongs to Aislinn.

@Crash: Nice work on the zip file. Thanks for taking the time to put it together.

First of all congrats on the video...I just subscribed to your channel cause you make the best ME videos out there!

And ooops I didn't know that lol. But see, those aren't just the ones I like, the one in your Avatar is awesome...and every FemShep I see on here! They're all amazing!

Just to clear things up. Aislinn makes all those kick arse videos, and brings you such awesome femsheps as Moria, Holly, Mackenzie, Aislinn, Constance & Trista. There may be more, she seems to have a lot of them.

Me? I do a half decent photoshop job every now and then and generally spam pics of Hrist. That's her to the left of this post.

And since the posts seem to be getting a bit spoilerific, I'm gonna duck out of this thread for now. Hopfully Arrival gets released at a reasonable hour here and I can play through it with Hrist. If not I have Wednesday off work. :happy:

[Captain Crash]

Shadow_Soul wrote...

@Captain Crash
That takes I lot of work, yes? It's worth it, like cosplay. Take time and energy but is always worth it in the end (except cosplay also takes money....)

It is time consuming doing it. But I do enjoy it  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]  Of course if they were only downloaded by a few people I would stop. But there not and two of the zips now have over 1000 downloads each!  :happy:

My additional reasons are:

1. I love all the art on here and was saving a lot to my hard drive.  It seemed natural to then share it anyway.
2. I dont contribute much art to the thread because of my 360 so I felt like I should do something to show support
3. I think this is the best thread on the wesite and also want it to be most organised and well run. It stands leaps and bounds above many of character threads and these zips also add some organisation too.
4. More people who download and see how awesome some of artists are the further the femshep message spreads!
5. Its quite relaxing listening to music and going back looking at your favourite screenshots to save 

[ELE08]

sagequeen wrote...

as for Arrival, mebbe i'll get some girl scout cookies to go with the DLC. that way, if I don't care for it, there's still thin mints. <-- plans ahead

This is a brilliant idea.  No girlscouts in the neighborhood, I'll settle for Keebler grasshoppers.  They are an excellent knock-off.

[FireEye]

Captain Crash wrote...

4. More people who download and see how awesome some of artists are the further the femshep message spreads!

I read that as "femshep massage."

Yeah, I don't know where I left my brain today. 

Modifié par FireEye, 28 mars 2011 - 11:46 .

[blackashes411]

Totally random: In the Arrival Trailer, Shepard goes through several cutscenes punching enemies and kicking a** in his/her casual clothing.

So anybody here wanna see their femshep kicka** in her dress and high heels? I'd ONLY be reluctant to do that if we get another awkward view of Shepard's dress again. 

Modifié par blackashes411, 28 mars 2011 - 11:53 .

[aimlessgun]

Captain Crash wrote...

Shadow_Soul wrote...

@Captain Crash
That takes I lot of work, yes? It's worth it, like cosplay. Take time and energy but is always worth it in the end (except cosplay also takes money....)

It is time consuming doing it. But I do enjoy it  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]  Of course if they were only downloaded by a few people I would stop. But there not and two of the zips now have over 1000 downloads each!  :happy:

My additional reasons are:

1. I love all the art on here and was saving a lot to my hard drive.  It seemed natural to then share it anyway.
2. I dont contribute much art to the thread because of my 360 so I felt like I should do something to show support
3. I think this is the best thread on the wesite and also want it to be most organised and well run. It stands leaps and bounds above many of character threads and these zips also add some organisation too.
4. More people who download and see how awesome some of artists are the further the femshep message spreads!
5. Its quite relaxing listening to music and going back looking at your favourite screenshots to save 

I've only been around for the last 50 pages, so I really enjoyed DLing all those to see the stuff from before (without having actually scroll through 1000 pages ). So thank you!

Modifié par aimlessgun, 28 mars 2011 - 11:53 .

[Cyansomnia]

@Sage and ELE

Oh man, now I want some mint/chocolate cookies. *shakes fist*

blackashes411 wrote...

So anybody here wanna see their femshep kicka** in her dress and high heels? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie] I'd ONLY be reluctant to do that if we get another awkward view of Shepard's dress again. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

I have video evidence of Moira beating up two turians in the Afterlife VIP room, whilst wearing her little black dress.  

I just found this in my screenshot folder. I forgot I took a shot of this from the other side when I made that photoshop a while ago. It makes me go "awwwww".

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 29 mars 2011 - 12:03 .

[aimlessgun]

RE: Making a Shep print:

You could do some sort of stylized one where the face is indistinct (humble example: my poster from 1099 s4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/aimlessgun/). The default would be a little strange.


Also, everyone ready for a massive flood of arrival screens? It's going to take me like twice as long to finish this DLC from hitting PlayersOnly.

Modifié par aimlessgun, 29 mars 2011 - 12:15 .

[sagefic]

Shadow_Soul wrote...

Re: FemShep litho
Hm...I want something like Ele08's Commanders. Because, you know, that's just awesome. It has many  iconic FemSheps, is really well done, and has a fanfic that goes with it, done by ADLegend21.

@Aislinn
If the VS romance doesn't get the correct attention it deserves in ME3, there will be a lot of mad fans...and Shepards.

i, too, would love a commanders litho. 

re: VS in ME3, sheesh, i HOPE people want them back. sometimes i read the haters hate and think...i sure hope bioware isn't listening to those fans. just crazy fans like me...and aislinn...and chignon...and ELE...and...you get the picture. they can listen to us. :innocent:

[Interactive Civilian]

JamieCOTC wrote...

And the word for today is, "retcon."

I kind of think of it like I think of Stephen King's "Dark Tower Series". In my mind, there are two Dark Tower series:

1.) Original, unfinished one: The Gunslinger (original version) -> The Drawing of Three -> The Wastelands

2.) The alternate 'fanfic'ish finished one: The Gunslinger (revised edition) -> The Drawing of Three -> The Wastelands -> Wizard and Glass -> Wolves of the Callah -> Song of Susannah -> The Dark Tower

Thinking about it like this is what keeps me from getting angry about how the story changed so much and then ended up being retconned.

How does this apply to Mass Effect, which so far has no revised editions? Well, before anyone gets me wrong, I do like Mass Effect 2 a lot. It is a great, fun game. If it weren't, I wouldn't have put over 200 hours into it (and counting, once I get my current ME1 characters built up for it) since buying it in January. But, given how much changed between ME1 and ME2, how many details just don't make sense, how much ignored a good deal about the characters we'd built for ourselves (e.g. my canon femShep, upon waking up in a Cerberus facility and fighting through to the end to have Miranda say "This is the last shuttle leaving, but you are welcome to stay with the mechs.", she would have replied "Well, I can deal with the mechs, and I see several more shuttles parked right over there, so have a nice life. Bye."), etc.; given all that, I have to rationalize it as kind of alternate universe 'fanfic' (not disparaging fanfic; some fanfic writers do amazing work) rather than the "real" sequel to Mass Effect. Well, maybe not to that extreme, but I can see it leading in that direction for ME3. ME2 is kind of on the borderline between plausible in my ME universe and screwing up the fundamentals.

At least by rationalizing it like this I can enjoy the games for being fun no matter how they butcher things that were set up in the first one, because I "know" in my heart that the original Mass Effect is still there, and these weaker follow-ups aren't the "real" story.

Keeping more closely related to the actual topic of this thread, I've noticed that the new, brown-eyed Artemis is significantly more renegade than both Athene and the original Artemis.



Fist is still having a really bad day

Athene is a very paragon-y paragade. I'm pretty sure Artemis will add much more -gade to her paragade-ness. (Can't bring myself to play any character purely one way or the other, and so far I tend to like leaning towards the paragon side in many choices, though don't hesitate to go renegade when it is appropriate). Athene will use wisdom and sweet-talking. Artemis will be a bit more prone to direct action.

For example, I'm thinking with Athene, Jeong (sp? the jerkface on Feros) might actually get to live. With Artemis, he will surely die.

[ADLegend21]

sagequeen wrote...

Shadow_Soul wrote...

Re: FemShep litho
Hm...I want something like Ele08's Commanders. Because, you know, that's just awesome. It has many  iconic FemSheps, is really well done, and has a fanfic that goes with it, done by ADLegend21.

@Aislinn
If the VS romance doesn't get the correct attention it deserves in ME3, there will be a lot of mad fans...and Shepards.

i, too, would love a commanders litho. 

re: VS in ME3, sheesh, i HOPE people want them back. sometimes i read the haters hate and think...i sure hope bioware isn't listening to those fans. just crazy fans like me...and aislinn...and chignon and AD...and ELE...and...you get the picture. they can listen to us. :innocent:

yeah, whenever one of their names is in a thread the haters flock to it. I hope they don't take feedback.

[sagefic]

Interactive Civilian wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

And the word for today is, "retcon."

I kind of think of it like I think of Stephen King's "Dark Tower Series". In my mind, there are two Dark Tower series:

1.) Original, unfinished one: The Gunslinger (original version) -> The Drawing of Three -> The Wastelands

2.) The alternate 'fanfic'ish finished one: The Gunslinger (revised edition) -> The Drawing of Three -> The Wastelands -> Wizard and Glass -> Wolves of the Callah -> Song of Susannah -> The Dark Tower

Thinking about it like this is what keeps me from getting angry about how the story changed so much and then ended up being retconned.

that's a really good comparison. hmmm... yeah, i like. i think it must be hard, too, since no matter what the devs do, it will end up pushing more to one style of story over another (more action-y, more drama, more james bondish, etc.) and someone will be annoyed.

again, girl scout cookies as coping mechanism while i play ME3. this is my plan.

Modifié par sagequeen, 29 mars 2011 - 01:07 .

[Interactive Civilian]

sagequeen wrote...

re: VS in ME3, sheesh, i HOPE people want them back. sometimes i read the haters hate and think...i sure hope bioware isn't listening to those fans. just crazy fans like me...and aislinn...and chignon...and ELE...and...you get the picture. they can listen to us. :innocent:

I'm not what you might call a VS lover, but I'm also definitely not a hater. None of my characters have ever romanced the VS, nor have I managed to make one who wants to (hey, I've only been at it a few months  ).

That said, I also really want the VS to come back in ME3. Even without having a romantic relationship with them, there is a lot unresolved, and the really shoddy treatment of that scene on Horizon is just the sort of thing I have to rationalize away as not the "real" ME universe as described in my previous post.

So, yeah, I'm all for VS in ME3.

Speaking of VS, even now on every play through (I think I'm on my 9th or 10th of ME1) the Virmire decision still gets me every time, no matter who I choose to leave behind. It's STILL a heart-wrenching decision.

[edit]
OH, and BTW, regarding my comparisons with the Dark Tower above, dont get me wrong. I LOVE the Dark Tower series, even the finished one. I love them both a lot. However, I do often find myself wishing the original series had been finished.

Modifié par Interactive Civilian, 29 mars 2011 - 01:12 .

[Shadow_Soul]

@Sage
I'm with you. I love the VS, I wish you could have saved them both. I really hope that Ash/Kaidan come back in ME3, Arrival without them is enough, but if they aren't in ME3...let's not go there. They have huge fan-base, the haters can suck it up, because their fans want them back. I want closure for the Sheps who romanced them.
Out of my Sheps, Maria wants her Kaidan back. My others are lucky, they have other LIs, but Maria got Horizon with Kaidan....I see why you guys hate it even more when the VS is romanced....talk about heartbreak. T-T God, so aweful (I just beat it...a couple days before DA2 was out with her)

On a side note, Lia is coming along fairly well, just past the Grunt's loyalty mission. Adpet on Insanity is awesome with the barrier/bastion build, quite fun. Next, onto the rest of the loyalty quests. Only have a couple to do now, if I keep up at this rate, I'll be able to beat the game before Arrival is here. Hm...she's been taking Miri annd Garrus with her. (Sage, your vid is helping me a ton. Have only died a few times.) Alright, off to Jack's, Tali's, Thane's and Samara's loyalty mission. Plus recruiting Legion and their loyalty mission.

[MizzNaaa]

Okay...thanks for clearing that up Akari *facepalm* I'm sleep deprived 0.o

Aislinn, congrats on the vid recognition dear, you certainly deserve it.

@Sage, they better have the VS back and kicking butt in ME3 because imagine how angry us KAST ladies would be...seriously, there'll be a very big, angry mob of fangirls with torches and pitchforks...

On a side note, I'm almost done with my last replay with Jennifer, perfect playthrough on normal difficulty (I'm a wuss I know ) so I'm guessing I'll be ready for Arrival in time.

I'm so excited!!

[jeweledleah]

I think the problem with VS hate is caused by developers in a first place. most people might not have been huge fans of VS in ME1 but very few disliked them all that much back then. and then Horizon happened. Developers were trying to tempt the break up, temp people into trying out new romances.. but for a lot of people it was a much deeper betrayal, such an incredibly wtf moment, that happened after you met half your former crew on very friendly terms and then soon after you meet Liara and Wrex and both of them are practically ecstatic to see you... yeah, screw you you yelling bastard, I have all these people who like me and follow me and trust me no matter what!

On good days, I think that developers might be thinking..hmm, we might have overdone it a bit, gonna have to have VS do something truly spectacular to mend the wounds ME2 caused.

On bad days, I wonder if this really was deliberate and they just wanted to do away with now complicated subplot to write and are now surprised that some people still remain fans...

we'll see...

but for now, Leah Shepard is armed and ready to shoot some Batarians

[Khaos2000]

I just want to say Thanks to Interactive Civ and Ele08, cuz without those two, Cat wouldn't be as stylish as she is right now... Will have new pics! And better ones once I figure out the flycam thing now

No Flycam yet but still:



Cathryne finally trusting in her biotics, no longer a spectre, no longer in the Alliance, and definitely not with Cerberus... Thanks to Aria and ELE08!

Modifié par Khaos2000, 29 mars 2011 - 02:15 .

[datSilencer]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

@Sable

I'm wondering about those things myself. Maybe the Reapers had some sort of back-up plan in case the Citadel relay trap failed. There's no way to really know their plans. Even so, they'd get to the Milky Way eventually, somehow. I don't see them giving up. Ever.

There's a few things in the trailer that have me formulating some theories, which is why I try to avoid spoilers somewhat. It'll be interesting to see if they're correct!

As for destroying a Relay... no freakin' clue.  I have a feeling things will play out differently (judging from what I saw).

@Sage and TheMarshal

I agree with you that Kaidan/Ash and their relationship with Shepard should be given much needed attention and care in ME3. It better. Or I'm getting out the torches and pitchforks.

EDIT:
FlyCam question:

Is there a way to setup FlyCam in ME1 so you can move it around in cutscenes like the one above?  It always freezes the camera in place when I use it.

Yes, otherwise I would not have had a way to shoot alternate angles on the cinematics. Let me know if you want the macro bindings.

Cheers.