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[Cypher0020]

Wooow... the baby answer is tricky... honestly... Charlie wouldn't want kids.. she'd like them, but it'd never work... she thinks its safer for Liara anyways....she can be thre for their children, long, long, long after she's dead and gone....

[lacuna_]

i finally have pictures of my girls! :3
i apologize in advance for the shoddy quality... 360 player representin'.

ara- earthborn/ruthless
LI: liara



nikita shepard- colonist/ war hero
LI: kaidan alenko



rhiannon shepard- spacer/war hero
LI: kaidan/ jacob



i have tons of pics of ara from my runthrough of arrival today, but the other girls... not so much. i also have a few pictures of my old femsheps but i'm none too proud of them, nor attached to them.
 
...just lemme know if you want more, i guess. ;]

[JamieCOTC]

@ Godwood

UJ Shepard would not want children of her own right away, but age tends to mellow a person and give perspective.  As your Jane, UJ would be w/ Liara.  Given that this is 200 years in the future there is probably a store on the Citadel they can go to and ... well, maybe not.  I don't know.  I think UJ ultimately would like to experience bringing a child of her own into the world somehow. 

UJ: I want to have a baby of my own.  I want to experience what that's like.
Liara: It hurts.  A lot.  *snicker*

Anyway, speaking of Arrival, someone mentioned it a couple of messages back, and Liara, I had to write this little fic for UJ.  Shepard writes Liara after the events of Arrival. 

A Letter to Liara

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 01 avril 2011 - 04:33 .

[ADLegend21]

What about the femsheps who do have human romances??

Kallen would want kids with Miranda or Ashley. They'd need a donor though *Both ladies look at Jacob with predatory glares*

[Sable Phoenix]

Goodwood wrote...

Aislinn Trista wrote...

I just had a thought. What if being brought back by the Lazarus Project left Shepard sterile? It's entirely possible, with all the crazy stuff they did to her body. It makes me wonder if Miranda made sure something like that wouldn't happen to Shep, considering what she'd gone through...

That is indeed an intriguing thought. Shep is, in essence, a zombie -- albeit a zombie still possessed of a human "soul" and sans the compulsion to eat brains -- and that can have long-term effects that are still unpredictable. For all we know, Shep could walk through some hidden degaussing loop and drop dead because her cybernetics or whatever suddenly shut down. Considering this, it does seem like her chances of still being fertile are somewhat on the low side.

Still, as you say, Miranda having such a thing to deal with herself...

Many hundreds of pages back in this thread I put forth my theory that the real Shepard is dead for good and that what we see in Mass Effect 2 is in actuality a synthetic Shepard.  We know from Miranda's logs on Lazarus Station that they tried to reconstitute Shepard with purely medical reconstruction before finally giving up and moving to "bio-synthetic fusion".  I posit that part of that involved a quantum bluebox into which they downloaded every bit of Shepard's record and medical brainwave scans.  Shepard in ME2 is as much a synthetic as a geth.  That doesn't make the Lazarus Project any less of a technological achievement, since this synthetic has real emotion and is externally indistinguishable from an organic being, but she's still synthetic.

I've dug up even more backing for that theory since then, actually based on the graphics of the screen where you choose your class.  If you look at the overlays of the various enhancements, you'll see wiring laid into the nervous system to support tech and biotic skills (in bright blue and bright green, respectively, if I recall).  They're tying the special class powers to the lore, and vice versa.  The time dilation effects that you experience in sniper bullet-time or in Adrenaline Rush are not pure gameplay mechanics but actual enhancements that Shepard received.  I doubt they could've pulled this off with an organic brain... time dilation to such an extreme degree is not something that the human brain can fire off at will.  I think this is even further evidence that Shepard's brain is just as synthetic as those cybernetic signal boosters bolted to her spinal cord.

So yeah.  Zombie is a more accurate description than it first appears.  No soul or actual humanity left, just a really, really good facsimile.

On the original subject, I doubt her reproductive system is functional either.  Even if it were, all her eggs would've been killed, and those are un-clone-able.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 01 avril 2011 - 04:56 .

[Goodwood]

@JamieCOTC:

Goodwood simply used "Jane" as an example, since the default FemShep is named Jane. His Sheps tend to have quite different names from that. Funnily enough however, they all end up hooking up with Liara... 

Modifié par Goodwood, 01 avril 2011 - 04:49 .

[JamieCOTC]

@ Sable

For the record, I think it would be interesting for BW to address some of your theories and the resurrection in general. It would be nice if it were more than a convenient cliched plot device.

[JamieCOTC]

Goodwood wrote...

@JamieCOTC:

Goodwood simply used "Jane" as an example, since the default FemShep is named Jane. His Sheps tend to have quite different names from that. Funnily enough however, they all end up hooking up with Liara... 

My apologies. 

[Goodwood]

JamieCOTC wrote...

@ Sable

For the record, I think it would be interesting for BW to address some of your theories and the resurrection in general. It would be nice if it were more than a convenient cliched plot device.

Goodwood thinks that could have been an interesting climactic twist, worked into the so-called final confrontation. Kind of like a new take on "I have to fight the demons! -- No, you are the demons" schtick.

[Goodwood]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

@JamieCOTC:

Goodwood simply used "Jane" as an example, since the default FemShep is named Jane. His Sheps tend to have quite different names from that. Funnily enough however, they all end up hooking up with Liara... 

My apologies. 

Don't worry about it.

[jeweledleah]

you know, Sable, your theory makes me wonder all over again about Ghost in a Shell, Terminator, Blade runner movies... what does humanity mean exactly? does it require an actual human brain, or is it the imprint of the personality, the choices made, the emotions felt? I'm not sure if Shepard is entirely cybernetic with uploaded memories, especially if you consider that she/he have a memory of dying..

Shepard really has a lot on common with Motoko Kusanagi though....

[Goodwood]

jeweledleah wrote...

you know, Sable, your theory makes me wonder all over again about Ghost in a Shell, Terminator, Blade runner movies... what does humanity mean exactly? does it require an actual human brain, or is it the imprint of the personality, the choices made, the emotions felt? I'm not sure if Shepard is entirely cybernetic with uploaded memories, especially if you consider that she/he have a memory of dying..

Shepard really has a lot on common with Motoko Kusanagi though....

Major Shepard has a nice ring to it...

[thompsmt]

1. I'm quite sure the technology exists for inducing meiosis (production of sexual cells). It could be possible from a sample of Shepard's DNA (think a lock of hair kept by the parents, or Alliance genotyping).

2. Having read Mad Wizard Weber a bit too much, he mentions in one of the later Honor Harrington books the RMN pays for women to have ova frozen while on active service. I wouldn't be surprised if the Alliance does the same thing, especially since being a Special Forces type would mean FemShep is most definitely in a high risk occupation, and it would be helpful for her morale.

3. For my only FemShep who's got a non human LI, Renee might go for it, maybe even essentially have near twins (same due date) with Liara. But then, she might just be happy with raising a whole mess of little blue girls. As for the biological father, I'm sure there would be a mess of men who'd gladly perform that duty.

4. I'm not sure zombie is quite correct for Shepard after Project Lazarus. Wouldn't Lich be more correct, in that Shepard still has a personality and will? Zombies, in Voodoo and other sources, have no will.

[Goodwood]

Shepard the Lich...interesting.

Goodwood is glad to have stimulated such interesting conversations on this April Fool's Day...

[TheMarshal]

@Goodwood - I think that one of Alice's greatest joys in life will be to be a father to her and Liara's children (though my headcanon only has one daughter so far). There might be a point during Liara's first pregnancy where Alice feels a twinge of regret that she'll never be able to be the one bearing a child, but the moment she sees her newborn daughter, and a tiny blue hand wraps itself around her finger, she'll be happy for any child, so long as it's theirs.

[Cypher0020]

@Jamie

Wow I LOOOOOVE that letter. It fits the mood perfectly! I think its safe to say any Liara loving paragon Shep would feel the same way? This act will certainly keep Charlie up for nights for the rest of her life.....

[Goodwood]

Cypher0020 wrote...

@Jamie

Wow I LOOOOOVE that letter. It fits the mood perfectly! I think its safe to say any Liara loving paragon Shep would feel the same way? This act will certainly keep Charlie up for nights for the rest of her life.....

Goodwood concurs, that is a very good letter.

[Cyansomnia]

@Jamie

That letter was wonderful. =-) I think Constance might have written something similar.

[Sable Phoenix]

I don't know whether it's just the overall lack of urgency and emotion in the DLC or the fact that I felt so completely railroaded by everything that happened, but interestingly Jessica didn't feel a whole lot about lighting off a miniature supernova in an inhabited system.  She'd rather have avoided it, sure, but she saw firsthand that doing so was impossible and she took the only course of action open to her with no hesitation.  On the other hand, while she intellectually knows that more than 300,000 sentients just got incinerated, she has not internalized that.  She didn't see them or interact to them in any way, heck she never even saw the planet they were on, there was no visual there for her to relate to.  It was a place she'd never even heard of until Kenson told her the name, meaning there is no way for her to notice its absence.  So the number remains just a number, a necessary statistic to prevent the destruction of all sentient life in the galaxy.  There wasn't a whole lot of time to contemplate the situation, anyway.

(I'm still mad about the gigantic combination asspull and retcon that was the Citadel Mk. II, I mean, uh, the Alpha Relay, the whole thing was so freaking contrived it makes my teeth itch, so I have no emotional investment as a player, either, and I'm sure that's rubbing off on my perception of Jessica.)

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 01 avril 2011 - 06:38 .

[Goodwood]

Just to play demon's advocate, Goodwood proposes that while this so-called "Alpha Relay" is indeed a retcon, it is one that makes logical sense. If the Reapers had to invade the galaxy the "old fashioned way" after being denied the Citadel as a quick-jump catch'em-by-surprise MacGuffin, it makes sense that the first relay they would get to after making the trip from darkspace would be the relay that gets them access to the entire rest of the network. Object Rho is obviously a homing beacon of magnificent power which tells the Reaper fleet where to go to access this relay.

Keep in mind two things: First, both games have acknowledged that there are likely many more mass relays out there than have been discovered, let alone activated and used by the current crop of starfaring species. Second, the Reapers seem to have had rather a long time to themselves in order to come up with various contingency plans.

The fact that the anonymous Reaper that addresses Shepard at the end of Arrival describes her as being "annoying" demonstrates just how big a jump that the Citadel races have over any other species the Reapers have previously subdued. Goodwood draws your attention to Legion's recollection of the events which led to the Morning War: "First, they ignored us. Then, they reprogrammed us. Then, they attacked us." Yes, Goodwood is asserting that humanity is the geth to the Reapers' quarians... ;o)

Modifié par Goodwood, 01 avril 2011 - 06:54 .

[ADLegend21]

It' in batarian space. Theyv'e never done anything in Batarians space. You make it seem like new things introduced to teh series are "ass pulls" and "retcons" Shouldn'tht apply the Mu relay as well? a mysterious relay that no one's heard of or seen but oh wait, this ancient bug that just got released for statis knows about it.

just my thoughts at least.

[Sinapus]

thompsmt wrote...

1. I'm quite sure the technology exists for inducing meiosis (production of sexual cells). It could be possible from a sample of Shepard's DNA (think a lock of hair kept by the parents, or Alliance genotyping).

2. Having read Mad Wizard Weber a bit too much, he mentions in one of the later Honor Harrington books the RMN pays for women to have ova frozen while on active service. I wouldn't be surprised if the Alliance does the same thing, especially since being a Special Forces type would mean FemShep is most definitely in a high risk occupation, and it would be helpful for her morale.

You can never read too much MWW! Okay, maybe my desire to introduce the Reapers to a Bolo from one of the stories he wrote, meet Dahak and/or the Apollo targetting system might mean I have...

Another possibility is if the 150 year lifespan humans have in Mass Effect is similar to prolong from the Honorverse. I mean, Honor's mother had twins when she was in her 90s and Honor had her first child in her 60s. Human women nowadays usually hit menopause before that.

3. For my only FemShep who's got a non human LI, Renee might go for it, maybe even essentially have near twins (same due date) with Liara. But then, she might just be happy with raising a whole mess of little blue girls. As for the biological father, I'm sure there would be a mess of men who'd gladly perform that duty.

...and if not, there are sperm banks even today.

4. I'm not sure zombie is quite correct for Shepard after Project Lazarus. Wouldn't Lich be more correct, in that Shepard still has a personality and will? Zombies, in Voodoo and other sources, have no will.

Great, now I find myself thinking of a run-in between Lich-Shepard and Xykon from the Order of the Stick webcomic. Especially Paragon Lich-Shepard. ["Hey! You're supposed to be evil! You'll ruin our reputation if you keep this up!"]

(...am I the only one who has pronounced "Lich" like "ditch" for decades and then found out its actual pronounciation is more like, er, "like" instead?)

[Cyansomnia]

<---- did not know it was pronounced "like". And Order of the Stick is awesome.

[Goodwood]

No Sinapus, you aren't. Goodwood also pronounces it like "ditch" and doesn't see a need to correct himself ever.

He does have a question for you, however. Would you recommend the Honor Harrington books to someone who's sci-fi reading is limited to Star Wars EU, a couple of Trek EU stories, various sci-fi short stories from a high school textbook, a smattering of Larry Niven, and Ender's Game?

[Sinapus]

@Goodwood: If you don't mind 50,000km being considered "suicide range" for a battle. You won't see ships fighting in visual range like in Star Wars at least.

Or if you don't mind coming to like a character only to have Weber kill him or her off suddenly. We're lucky that we only have to pick one person to die in ME1 and can make decisions that avoid casualties in ME2.



Oh and he throws in tech dumps into some places that some people find annoying. (Though I was amused at one point where I realized the time it took me to finish his "brief" history of hyperspace travel was about as much time as it took Honor's ship to bring it's drive fully online.)

The first two novels are free over on the Baen Free Library.

@Aislinn: This "FemShep wants a child of her own body" subthread is making me want to post a link to a certain OOTS comic from a few years back. Okay, temptation wins. No, I don't think a heavily-pregnant FemShep would be a good target either...

...22nd century technology probably has other options for children as well.

Modifié par Sinapus, 01 avril 2011 - 07:46 .