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[AkodoRyu]

Harpalyce wrote...
So, it's party-time, and with parties inevitably come booze, strippers, and... drunken karaoke. What song does your FemShep get up there and sing?

Maybe The Touch by Stan Bush (the 80's version of course). It's so Shepard-ish O_O

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Modifié par AkodoRyu, 02 avril 2011 - 06:39 .

[Sinapus]

Blast you, AkodoRyu. I was just searching for that on YouTube.

[SkaldFish]

Interactive Civilian wrote...

SkaldFish wrote...

BTW, I vote that "I give you... Object Rho!" be placed alongside "Ah, yes... 'Reapers'..." in the Mass Effect Silly Cliche Hall of Fame....

Disagree. "Ah, yes... 'Reapers'..." is simply awesome for it's quotability in  so many situations. And please, Bioware, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let us have it as a renegade-interrupt for the Turian councilor in ME3 whenever he mentions Reapers after they show up:

-snip-

Ahem. Anyway, as I was saying, "I give you... Object Rho" is down there with "I. AM. OMEGA." in the annals of weak, cliche dialog. "Ah yes...'Reapers'..." is far too awesome to be ranked down with them.

-snip-

Well... point taken. It certainly has massive comedic value, but I have to stand by my position, and here's why:

I enjoy being able to immerse myself in the game, and moments like that knock me out of the experience instantly. Unless the Turian Councillor's guilty pleasure is watching old episodes of SNL at night while despising humans during the day, I find it outrageous - just another example of "Writer On Board" - the character does it because the writer thought it would be funny. From that perspective, it's an amateurish intrusion into the story, and for that reason I find it even more egregious, actually, than those "I... AM... Omega" and "I give you... Object Rho" blunders.

Am I taking the game too seriously? Maybe, but that would only be because BioWare fairly often achieves brilliance in the creation of a world you can immerse yourself in. If it were a typical game, little comedic touches like that would be welcomed. Take Fallout 3 for example. It was a perfectly fine game, but I never cared about a single character in it and never evaluated any of the dialogue for quality. It was a series of puzzles to be solved, plain and simple. But BioWare has gone far beyond that level, so (to me) the Turian's comment was just one more time for me to reach over and stick another pin in my Mac Walters voodoo doll.

But your mileage may vary. Void where prohibited. Certain restrictions apply. Not available in all areas. I am a non-lawyer spokesperson. See your doctor if you experience a sudden drop in blood pressure.

[SkaldFish]

adneate wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...
Seems the rest of the forum forgoot about him.   I refuse too!

-pic snip-

He'll need a name though so allow me:

Slab bulkhead
Punt Speedchunk
Butch Deadlift
Bald Bigplank
Splint Chesthair
Flint Ironstag
Bulk Vanderhuge
Fist Rockbone
Smash Lampjaw
Dirk Hardpeck
Rip Steakface
Crud Bonemeal

I could go on!

OMG - read these about 10 times now and laugh harder every time!

[Fraevar]

SkaldFish wrote...

Am I taking the game too seriously? Maybe, but that would only be because BioWare fairly often achieves brilliance in the creation of a world you can immerse yourself in. If it were a typical game, little comedic touches like that would be welcomed. Take Fallout 3 for example. It was a perfectly fine game, but I never cared about a single character in it and never evaluated any of the dialogue for quality. It was a series of puzzles to be solved, plain and simple. But BioWare has gone far beyond that level, so (to me) the Turian's comment was just one more time for me to reach over and stick another pin in my Mac Walters voodoo doll.

But your mileage may vary. Void where prohibited. Certain restrictions apply. Not available in all areas. I am a non-lawyer spokesperson. See your doctor if you experience a sudden drop in blood pressure.

I don't think you are taking it too seriously. While Mass Effect did have its lighter moments, the overall feel was one of a consistent, logical world based on the fictional science BioWare had created. Most of the major stuff had an aura of seriousness around them, that helped make the world believable.

Mass Effect 2 has way too many little moments where this gets thrown out the window for no apparent reason. Everything from people wearing spandex and a simple breath-mask while walking around in no atmosphere to "Ah yes, 'Reapers'." ultimately start to pile up. I didn't like everything that was done in Mass Effect, but most of the time I can follow the logic behind it, but in Mass Effect 2, the reasoning often just seems to be either: "Just because" or "It looks so cool!". And the sad truth is that this extends to Shepard as well - in the first game, she was a capable soldier who had to deal with extraordinary circumstances and rose to the occasion. In Mass Effect 2 her sole reason for being around is that Cerberus thinks she's the only one who's badass enough to stop the Reapers...and then send her on a random collection of side missions which ultimately has her back at the exact same spot she was in when Mass Effect ended.

It's hard not to have serious misgivings about the second chapter of a proclaimed "trilogy" being thrown out the window
But I suppose we'll just have to resign ourselves to the fact that "Mass Effect Trilogy" means "3 shooter games with the same dude/dudette".

Modifié par Delerius_Jedi, 02 avril 2011 - 08:18 .

[aimlessgun]

SkaldFish wrote...
But your mileage may vary. Void where prohibited. Certain restrictions apply. Not available in all areas. I am a non-lawyer spokesperson. See your doctor if you experience a sudden drop in blood pressure.

Yeah, it didn't seem out of place at all to me for some reason. Was it the air quote gesture that was odd to you? I guess it doesn't make sense now that I think about it, but really it seems like there are so many human-like things about the ways the aliens act that it wasn't strange.

[ADLegend21]

Anyone who's Shepard is in Commanders 2 (I could only fit 5 people into the message) I'm tweaking the story (already one about Batarians) to fit into Arrival, so send me anything about your shep that would help me keep her the way you envision her going through the DLC. it would be appreciated so I don't mess up and ahve you guys hating me forever ^^

[ELE08]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

SkaldFish wrote...

Am I taking the game too seriously? Maybe, but that would only be because BioWare fairly often achieves brilliance in the creation of a world you can immerse yourself in. If it were a typical game, little comedic touches like that would be welcomed. Take Fallout 3 for example. It was a perfectly fine game, but I never cared about a single character in it and never evaluated any of the dialogue for quality. It was a series of puzzles to be solved, plain and simple. But BioWare has gone far beyond that level, so (to me) the Turian's comment was just one more time for me to reach over and stick another pin in my Mac Walters voodoo doll.

But your mileage may vary. Void where prohibited. Certain restrictions apply. Not available in all areas. I am a non-lawyer spokesperson. See your doctor if you experience a sudden drop in blood pressure.

I don't think you are taking it seriously. While Mass Effect did have its lighter moments, the overall feel was one of a consistent, logical world based on the fictional science BioWare had created. Most of the major stuff had an aura of seriousness around them, that helped make the world believable.

Mass Effect 2 has way too many little moments where this gets thrown out the window for no apparent reason. Everything from people wearing spandex and a simple breath-mask while walking around in no atmosphere to "Ah yes, 'Reapers'." ultimately start to pile up. I didn't like everything that was done in Mass Effect, but most of the time I can follow the logic behind it, but in Mass Effect 2, the reasoning often just seems to be either: "Just because" or "It looks so cool!". And the sad truth is that this extends to Shepard as well - in the first game, she was a capable soldier who had to deal with extraordinary circumstances and rose to the occasion. In Mass Effect 2 her sole reason for being around is that Cerberus thinks she's the only one who's badass enough to stop the Reapers...and then send her on a random collection of side missions which ultimately has her back at the exact same spot she was in when Mass Effect ended.

It's hard not to have serious misgivings about the second chapter of a proclaimed "trilogy" being thrown out the window
But I suppose we'll just have to resign ourselves to the fact that "Mass Effect Trilogy" means "3 shooter games with the same dude/dudette".

My 2c, I've found I enjoy both ME1 and ME2, but I've adapted to enjoy them in different ways for many of the reasons above.

ME1 was very immersive, which is why it's in my top games of all time and what got me into Bioware.  I actually cared about the characters, they all seemed very real and relateable, and I could easily put myself in that universe.

ME2 kind of threw a lot of that out the window.  It's still fun, but I had to adjust my perception of the Mass Effect universe to really enjoy it.  Instead of being really invested in the people and places, I enjoy it for the fun factor.  ME2 is the Michael Bay movie of video games for me.  If I start to think too hard about it, I'm just going to get pissed.  I've stopped caring about the characters so much because I'd rather not be irritated about, say, my favorite character from the first game getting the shaft storywise.  It's just easier to enjoy without the emotional investment.  Which is actually, kind of depressing.

To make short of it, for me personally, ME1 was an immersive experience.  ME2 was a fun videogame.  As SkaldFish says, YMMV.

One of the reasons that I still love FemShep so much is because I've personally fleshed out a lot of her backstory for myself, she exists outside the game universe in my head canon.

Modifié par ELE08, 02 avril 2011 - 07:28 .

[Fraevar]

ELE08 wrote...

My 2c, I've found I enjoy both ME1 and ME2, but I've adapted to enjoy them in different ways for many of the reasons above.

ME1 was very immersive, which is why it's in my top games of all time and what got me into Bioware.  I actually cared about the characters, they all seemed very real and relateable, and I could easily put myself in that universe.

ME2 kind of threw a lot of that out the window.  It's still fun, but I had to adjust my perception of the Mass Effect universe to really enjoy it.  Instead of being really invested in the people and places, I enjoy it for the fun factor.  ME2 is the Michael Bay movie of video games for me.  If I start to think too hard about it, I'm just going to get pissed.  I've stopped caring about the characters so much because I'd rather not be irritated about, say, my favorite character from the first game getting the shaft storywise.  It's just easier to enjoy without the emotional investment.  Which is actually, kind of depressing.

To make short of it, for me personally, ME1 was an immersive experience.  ME2 was a fun videogame.  As SkaldFish says, YMMV.

That's what I was trying to say, in so many words. ME2 is a pretty decent action game, but it doesn't really live up to being Part 2 of anything. But hey, at least we got some really good lines from Jen Hale, right? But yeah, the fact that you have to basically turn your brain off to avoid hurting over the whole Collectors thing is indeed kind of depressing. My personal peeve is that I never really got to take Shepard through the journey of overcoming her death. That was what I bought the game for...

Modifié par Delerius_Jedi, 02 avril 2011 - 07:37 .

[SkaldFish]

aimlessgun wrote...

SkaldFish wrote...
But your mileage may vary. Void where prohibited. Certain restrictions apply. Not available in all areas. I am a non-lawyer spokesperson. See your doctor if you experience a sudden drop in blood pressure.

Yeah, it didn't seem out of place at all to me for some reason. Was it the air quote gesture that was odd to you? I guess it doesn't make sense now that I think about it, but really it seems like there are so many human-like things about the ways the aliens act that it wasn't strange.

Now that you say it, I guess the air quotes took it from just cheesy dialogue to the over the top level. It was a "Wait -- Chris Farley was a Turian?" kind of moment. I was half expecting him to keep doing it like the Chris Farley character:

Turian Councillor: Ah, yes..."Reapers." Even though I "only have three fingers on each hand" and my "mouth doesn't close all the way" and I "kill humans for sport" and I "dress like a woman when I'm alone" and I "have two butt cracks," it's obvious even to me that you are delusional, Shepard.

But enough of that, I suppose. Back to the reason we're here:



EDIT: Thanks, ELE and Delerius, for the comments. Agreed.

Modifié par SkaldFish, 02 avril 2011 - 08:02 .

[Harpalyce]

Thanks everyone for answering the karaoke question!

I was actually thinking of some Fleetwood Mac, so I am tickled by that - maybe it's because Stevie Nick's voice reminds me a little of FemShep's?

Might as well picspam a little - nearly done with LotSB -

http://cloud.steampo...8614D0A33E5805/
"I appreciate the thought, Shepard, but I don't think right now is a good time for cuddles."

http://cloud.steampo...A24990033C3B53/
I know who's quarterback on my fantasy football team now! (Darth Vader is kicker obviously)

[Sable Phoenix]

So, we still haven't seen up here the .ini file mods to give us full freezing and full flycam capabilities in cutscenes for ME1, like we saw used in datSilencer's videos, to give us the ability to take even more awesome screenshots of our femSheps.  Any chance we'll get to see that sometime soon?

>prods datSilencer for good measure, even though the hint was totally unsubtle<

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 02 avril 2011 - 09:13 .

[Centauri2002]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

That's what I was trying to say, in so many words. ME2 is a pretty decent action game, but it doesn't really live up to being Part 2 of anything. But hey, at least we got some really good lines from Jen Hale, right? But yeah, the fact that you have to basically turn your brain off to avoid hurting over the whole Collectors thing is indeed kind of depressing. My personal peeve is that I never really got to take Shepard through the journey of overcoming her death. That was what I bought the game for...

Aye, I wish they'd spent some time exploring how that effected her. It just seemed like another day in the playground for her. It's hard to believe someone can die in such a horrible way and come out the other side completely unscathed, even someone as awesome as FemShep. >.>

[datSilencer]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

So, we still haven't seen up here the .ini file mods to give us full freezing and full flycam capabilities in cutscenes for ME1, like we saw used in datSilencer's videos, to give us the ability to take even more awesome screenshots of our femSheps.  Any chance we'll get to see that sometime soon?

>prods datSilencer for good measure, even though the hint was totally unsubtle<

Argh, the bindings... yes. My apologies, I left my ini files made a mess after Time Orchid. Aislinn has a small summary. Check if the modifications worked for her.

Cheers.

-ds


... can't .... resist.... *control assumed!*

.... AH YES.... BINDINGS.....

heheheheheeh

[aimlessgun]

centauri2002 wrote...

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

My personal peeve is that I never really got to take Shepard
through the journey of overcoming her death. That was what I bought the
game for...

Aye, I wish they'd spent some time
exploring how that effected her. It just seemed like another day in the
playground for her. It's hard to believe someone can die in such a
horrible way and come out the other side completely unscathed, even
someone as awesome as FemShep. >.>

It really does seem like a great opportunity, but I guess Bioware didn't go after it because they realized the whole death/resurrection schtick is one of those "let's just pretend it didn't happen" kind of things  I just pretend Shep was in a coma for 2 years, because amazingly that is better than what actually happened.

Modifié par aimlessgun, 02 avril 2011 - 10:06 .

[Centauri2002]

aimlessgun wrote...


It really does seem like a great opportunity, but I guess Bioware didn't go after it because they realized the whole death/resurrection schtick is one of those "let's just pretend it didn't happen" kind of things  I just pretend Shep was in a coma for 2 years, because amazingly that is better than what actually happened.

Absolutely. Perhaps, after they'd cemented the idea into the story board, BioWare actually realised they'd have to write emotion into the story as well. So better to ignore than get all those messy feelings all over the game. Oh noes.

[NM7]

datSilencer wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

So, we still haven't seen up here the .ini file mods to give us full freezing and full flycam capabilities in cutscenes for ME1, like we saw used in datSilencer's videos, to give us the ability to take even more awesome screenshots of our femSheps.  Any chance we'll get to see that sometime soon?

>prods datSilencer for good measure, even though the hint was totally unsubtle<

Argh, the bindings... yes. My apologies, I left my ini files made a mess after Time Orchid. Aislinn has a small summary. Check if the modifications worked for her.

Cheers.

-ds


... can't .... resist.... *control assumed!*

.... AH YES.... BINDINGS.....

heheheheheeh

Could you not just post the bindings here? That way we don't all have to harass Aislinn to get them. I'm pretty sure most people here who have the PC version would want to use them.

Screenshots tend to be quite popular in this thread.

[Fraevar]

centauri2002 wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...


It really does seem like a great opportunity, but I guess Bioware didn't go after it because they realized the whole death/resurrection schtick is one of those "let's just pretend it didn't happen" kind of things  I just pretend Shep was in a coma for 2 years, because amazingly that is better than what actually happened.

Absolutely. Perhaps, after they'd cemented the idea into the story board, BioWare actually realised they'd have to write emotion into the story as well. So better to ignore than get all those messy feelings all over the game. Oh noes.

I think it's a clash of demographics. They thought this would alienate the people who just came to the game to shoot stuff, and probably assumed us space-opera fans would be happy with a few character moments. The problem there is that when the elephant in the room is as frickin' big as death and ressurection, it kinda becomes impossible to ignore. But I digress - here's Lia doing her impersonation of the person in charge of that design meeting:


"Duurrrrrrrrr....argh I can't do this, somebody get me an Asprin!"

[sagefic]

Unkei wrote...

Penny Arcade's Tycho plays only with FemShep.

Great read btw ----------------^

"Shepherd is not now, nor has ever been, a man. I don't know who the
dude traipsing around in the commercials is; a jerk, most likely."

Ahahahahahahaa

i read that and laughed my head off. penny arcade ftw. 

man, i can't keep up with this thread. but i see many screenshots and goodness and femshep love and it makes me happy. 

[Sable Phoenix]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

 I did like the fact that Shepard carried into the cutscene whatever weapon she was using in battle (did anyone notice this?) and I also liked the heavier presence of synthesized background music. In this sense it felt more like ME1.

I didn't notice that because I always use the Widow and the sniper rifles never carry over into cinematics and cutscenes.

Also, a note that came up in other places discussing Arrival... Shepard wiped out a majority of non-batarians, actually. The readout for the planet reads something like "Population: 90,000 Batarian, 215,000 Other".  Given the batarians' slaving ways, I'm betting that a lot of them were humans.

And yes, I agree that only getting a single line of dialogue dealing with the ramifications of that upon Shepard was a horrendously missed opportunity, even if Jessica didn't give it much of a second thought.  Doesn't mean every Shepard should be forced to be just as cool and distant about the situation (like UJ screaming into her pillow about it as an example).

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 02 avril 2011 - 10:45 .

[Kary Tyrrell]

Harpalyce wrote...

So, it's party-time, and with parties inevitably come booze, strippers, and... drunken karaoke. What song does your FemShep get up there and sing?

Booze and drunken Karaoke? That screams for I'm too Sexy from Right Said Fred performed by an happily drunk Kary
while Athena would sing Queens Another one bites the Dust and that not only in the Karaoke box



Kary: *phew* The Halo's still there, even after inviting that Elcor to the Karaoke Party

[JamieCOTC]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

ELE08 wrote...

My 2c, I've found I enjoy both ME1 and ME2, but I've adapted to enjoy them in different ways for many of the reasons above.

ME1 was very immersive, which is why it's in my top games of all time and what got me into Bioware.  I actually cared about the characters, they all seemed very real and relateable, and I could easily put myself in that universe.

ME2 kind of threw a lot of that out the window.  It's still fun, but I had to adjust my perception of the Mass Effect universe to really enjoy it.  Instead of being really invested in the people and places, I enjoy it for the fun factor.  ME2 is the Michael Bay movie of video games for me.  If I start to think too hard about it, I'm just going to get pissed.  I've stopped caring about the characters so much because I'd rather not be irritated about, say, my favorite character from the first game getting the shaft storywise.  It's just easier to enjoy without the emotional investment.  Which is actually, kind of depressing.

To make short of it, for me personally, ME1 was an immersive experience.  ME2 was a fun videogame.  As SkaldFish says, YMMV.

That's what I was trying to say, in so many words. ME2 is a pretty decent action game, but it doesn't really live up to being Part 2 of anything. But hey, at least we got some really good lines from Jen Hale, right? But yeah, the fact that you have to basically turn your brain off to avoid hurting over the whole Collectors thing is indeed kind of depressing. My personal peeve is that I never really got to take Shepard through the journey of overcoming her death. That was what I bought the game for...

If I can jump in, I won’t defend ME2’s disconnect and maybe it’s just my experience, but in hindsight, I kind of like the “holes” in ME2. I bought ME1 about 4 months before ME2 came out and I agree that it was more immersive.  In ME1, femShep was good, but kind of a brick except for the occasional backstory mission or one-on-one w/ companions, but for the most part I was very satisfied w/ the story.  There were a few holes, but nothing major.  I really didn’t need to delve too deep into her story for my head canon.  ME2 came along and bam, swiss cheese plot and still a brick.  Not good.  So much was left unanswered.  Still, it was a fun game and she was a compelling character, so I was forced to flesh femShep out a bit more on my own.  Had questions been answered, feelings explored, I may not have done that.  Now, I’ve fleshed UJ out so much I almost feel like she is my own character and BioWare just helped.   I guess the best thing to say is, this is the mileage I got out of it. 

[Captain Crash]

AkodoRyu wrote...

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Ok now I know what Morinth saw!!!

eeeeee!!!  <3