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[Sable Phoenix]

Harpalyce wrote...

I haven't played ME1 yet (though just going through LotSB, I can start to see it). But here goes -

If you want to put on your feminist literary analysis hat, I can see that in this romance, FemShep gets to stay in an accepted gender role as 'butch masculine lesbian'. After doing all of these "butch" things like, oh, stomping around saving the universe, some players are probably used to seeing her in that masculine role. So it's more comfortable for her to be 'the man' in a relationship (with Liara) instead of trying to reconcile her as feminine in a traditional relationship, as she isn't about to go to the kitchen and make any sandwiches any time soon*.

Given how many players say that Liara tops their Shepard (including mine!), and given that Liara is the initiator at every stage of the romance (the only time Shepard takes charge is the Paragon interrupt kiss in the Shadow Broker's base), I don't tend to put a whole lot of stock into this.  It doesn't explain the charm of the relationship, anyway, nor the more important aspect of how it can draw in so many players who aren't lesbian in and of themselves.

edit: Gah!  ToPShep!









Appropriate, given the subject.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 04 avril 2011 - 10:30 .

[Cyansomnia]

@Sable

Actually, what's funny is Constance was not supposed to end up with Liara... in the beginning, anyway. I remember when I was playing through ME with my other Sheps, I always found Liara to be incredibly sweet and compelling. I always feel horrendously bad shooting her down with my other characters, but I'm always nice about it (even with Moira).

For some reason, while playing my Vanguard I felt overwhelmingly compelled to pursue the romance. Now I just couldn't imagine Constance with anyone else, and I'm very glad I went on my feelings.

I'd say that Liara has a mystique about her. She's beautiful, graceful, intelligent, incredibly sweet, awkward and has a voice that just makes me go into melt mode. And those giant blue eyes. They were even more mesmerizing to me in LotSB. Anyway, I could make similar lists of why I find Thane, Garrus and Kaidan attractive and why they ended up with my various Sheps, but yeah.

I also noticed that I'm quite selfish with both Liara and Thane... I don't have more than one Shep that romances either of them.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 04 avril 2011 - 11:26 .

[Cyansomnia]

@Nyoka

I think your Shep looks amazing in that picture! Why would you feel bad? It's an awesome shot. I have pics of all my Sheps in that pose, not to mention it's in a few of my vids.

[Kaltrec]

@Nyoka
You're more original than i am, im awful at taking picture or playing with the flycam

[JamieCOTC]

@ Sable - femShep/Liara

Here's my theory. I believe that Liara is written to be the "main" romance of ME1. Both genders can romance her, Shepard has to save her and she later has a traumatic event happen to her in the game whereby Shep can console her. Therefore she gets a lot more attention than Ash and Kaidan. Not to rub salt in the wound, but she is the only character who can be a constant romance throughout both games. I'm sorry, CHUD, but a couple of emails does not a romance make. Why is the Liara/Shepard so well done, it's because BW focused more attention on her than the other two in ME1. Why does it work so well w/ femShep and Liara? I believe it is the chemistry of the VAs, Jennifer Hale and Alli Hillis. I certainly don't mean to diminish Ash and Kaidan. One of my fenShep's, Erica, is also a Kaidan girl.

Personally, I like the combination because UJ and Liara's personalities are so different, even though their values are inherently similar. They complete each other.

 

Edit: Like Aislinn, I am very selfish w/ Liara as well.  I could not imagine another Shepard of mine romancing her other than UJ. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 05 avril 2011 - 12:29 .

[ADLegend21]

@Jamie, well said. It does seem as though Bioware intended her to be the main romance since she does all this stuff for Shepard with or without the romance and without relying on how Shepard treats her.

[Goodwood]

Pretty much for all the reasons that others have stated. Goodwood is himself a heterosexual male, and fully understands that a FemShep/Liara romance isn't a same-sex romance. Add to this the fact that he can't get into playing a DudeShep and doesn't like the idea of having to shoot Kaiden down after getting ninja'd into the whole romance line in the first place (hence why most of his Sheps never talk to him).

There's no graceful way to back out of the Kaiden thing so they just avoid him entirely. Plus, Goodwood is a total Liara fanboy.

[ADLegend21]

Goodwood wrote...

Pretty much for all the reasons that others have stated. Goodwood is himself a heterosexual male, and fully understands that a FemShep/Liara romance isn't a same-sex romance. Add to this the fact that he can't get into playing a DudeShep and doesn't like the idea of having to shoot Kaiden down after getting ninja'd into the whole romance line in the first place (hence why most of his Sheps never talk to him).

There's no graceful way to back out of the Kaiden thing so they just avoid him entirely. Plus, Goodwood is a total Liara fanboy.

Thre are ways of gracefully backing out of every romance. Plus Kaidan is an outstanding romance. also I think there are some people who would disagree that Femshep/Liara isn't same sex.

[jeweledleah]

there are couple of ways to back out of Kaidan romance and still keep talking to him - I believe "you're out of line" choice is a good one (second convo) without having to sound like too much of a jerk.

that said, its interesting for me to read about all your reasons for femshep/liara pairings because personally, I've never felt such a connection. I like her, I just never been able to "like" her with a femshep. I do have a maleshep who's with her though

[NM7]

I can't say why other people romance Liara with their femshep, only why I chose her for Hrist.

I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that I really like Liara as a character. She's so adorable, sweet, caring, inteligent and awkward. Then there's her voice and those big puppy dog eye's she's got! Infact I can't think of any part of her character that I dislike. Non of the other LIs really come across as caring about Shepard, at least not in the way Liara does. She's the one who confronts Shepard and tells her how she feels about her. She asks Shepard how she is at the end of LotSB and really seems to genuinely care about her as a person.

I don't know, I'm probably not making any sense, but she just seems to fit perfectly with femshep in my head. Well for Hrist anyway. I can't actually romance Liara with any other Shepard but her, as it doesn't seem right.





And something I made ages ago now, but this seems like a good time to give it another run out:

Modifié par Akari Tenshi, 05 avril 2011 - 12:26 .

[Sable Phoenix]

ADLegend21 wrote...
also I think there are some people who would disagree that Femshep/Liara isn't same sex.

Exactly.  A female with a female is a same sex romance.  Just because the asari race does not have the male gender doesn't negate their status as females.  Mono-gendered does not mean non-gendered.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 05 avril 2011 - 12:26 .

[Cyansomnia]

@Akari

Actually I find both Liara and Thane to show concern for FemShep. Thane also takes the initiative and confesses his feelings. The relationship has this nice building tension. If you go talk to him anytime after the romance he'll ask her if "she is well". Unfortunately, you only get one actual response.

Perhaps that's why I'm so fond of both of them. There seems to be more tenderness and emotion in their relationships.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 05 avril 2011 - 12:52 .

[Interactive Civilian]

Harpalyce wrote...

But to make this less of a boring hey-look-at-me post, might as well turn it into a question: does your FemShep have any tattoos? What are their significance to her? How'd she get them?

Nope. No tattoos for either Artemis or Athene. My next femShep (whose name will probably be "Anaideia"; some day I'll choose a Greek entity whose name doesn't start with A ^^;; ) might be the tattoo type, but we'll see as she develops. That's still a way ahead, as I still need to get my current incarnations of Artemis and Athene through ME1 and into ME2.

Sable Phoenix wrote...

I’ve asked it before but it was a looong time ago, so I’ll ask it again for people who are recently come to the thread. Why is your particular femShep fit so well with Liara, and additionally, why do you think so many other femSheps end up with her? What is it about femShep and Liara that “clicks” with so many people, regardless of their gender or orientation in real life? I can’t deny that it’s a fantastic pairing (my own Jessica is yet another LIaramancing femShep, after all), but why is it so fantastic? What is it that makes the Liara/femShep pairing so special?

In-game-universe-wise, Artemis and Athene fall for Liara because of the "mind meld". It's the only way I can justify the "love at first sight" that seems to happen. It wasn't intentional, it just happened that when they joined, something fundamental in them just clicked perfectly, like a key in a lock. From our outisde point of view, this seems hidden until we see Liara grow into her fuller potential through ME1 and the LotSB. But, in game, Shepard gets a taste of what Liara is and can become first-hand, mind-to-mind. At first, she is a bit confused and worried by her sudden feelings; she's never experienced such a thing, there is the mission to consider, Liara is an alien, Liara seems female (and neither Athene nor Artemis are decidedly homosexual; nttawwt), etc. But as she considers and examines her feelings and gets to know Liara better over the course of events in ME1, she finds that everything she learns only serves to strengthen and support that inititial feeling that stemmed from their "meeting of minds".

Meta-gaming-wise, two things:

1.) apologies to any Kaidan fans, but I have yet to find a Shepard that is attracted to him, and I usually find him annoying (from the romance angle; I like him and find his backstory interesting from the just know your characters angle). Case in point: I thought we were just talking and I was learning about him, and he asked if I was like that with everyone. I said Yes, I like to know the people I'm working with. But I don't necessarily enjoy it with everyone. Now, to me that is not a come on. That's just being straight up friendly and honest. And he comes off with "I'm gonna need some time to process that." EVERY TIME, my reaction is "Process WHAT???"


2.) I find that romancing Liara makes for a better story. You get to have someone there for that touching scene outside the lockers, not to mention the love scene. On top of that you get that feeling of... of... "I don't know what it feels like but it feels right" when you reaffirm the romance at the end of LotSB (and not just reaffirming the romance, but having someone to talk to who isn't making any demands of you). I honestly hope that those of you who romanced Kaidan get a similar moment in ME3, because for me it was one of the most powerful moments I've ever experienced in a game.
:happy:

And since I'm sure everyone has the exact same picture with their own femShep, I'll throw mine into the mix.

http://cloud.steampo...3E18A72AC3CDF9/
Artemis and Liara, reunited

Modifié par Interactive Civilian, 05 avril 2011 - 12:52 .

[JamieCOTC]

Kaidan: I didn't know you were interested in other woman, ma'am.
Liara: For the record, I'm not exactly a woman.
femShep: Hold the phone. What do you mean you're not a woman? You got something down there that's going to freak me out later? What?
Liara: Oh ... by the goddess, this is ... embarrassing.
Kaidan: I think I'll leave you two alone.

And for the record I do wish there was a better way to tell Kaidan, no. You either tell the guy you may be interested or you tell him he is boring. Of course you can choose to tell him he is out of line later, but that's leading him on. Hopefully they will fix it by ME3.

[FireEye]

So I finally came up with a halfway decent FemShep question (which may or may not have been asked before):

Your FemShep, in one word and only one word. Go!

[Interactive Civilian]

FireEye wrote...

So I finally came up with a halfway decent FemShep question (which may or may not have been asked before):

Your FemShep, in one word and only one word. Go!

Athene: clever

Artemis: precise

(yes, it's cliche that they are living up to their namesakes, but I like cliche )

Modifié par Interactive Civilian, 05 avril 2011 - 01:00 .

[ADLegend21]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

@Akari

Actually I find both Liara and Thane to show concern for FemShep. Thane also takes the initiative and confesses his feelings. The relationship has this nice building tension. If you go talk to him anytime after the romance he'll ask her if "she is well". Unfortunately, you only get one actual response.

Perhaps that's why I'm so fond of both of them. There seems to be more tenderness and emotion in their relationships.

not to devalue Thane or anyhting but that's why I don't count him as an LI who ask's Shepard how they feel about the mission, since there's only one response instead of letting the player through.

[ADLegend21]

FireEye wrote...

So I finally came up with a halfway decent FemShep question (which may or may not have been asked before):

Your FemShep, in one word and only one word. Go!

ShesTotallyAwesomeSauceAndIWouldMarryHerIfSheWasReal! one word cuz there's no spaces

[Interactive Civilian]

jeweledleah wrote...

there are couple of ways to back out of Kaidan romance and still keep talking to him - I believe "you're out of line" choice is a good one (second convo) without having to sound like too much of a jerk.

Kaidan doesn't have "You're out of line" in his second conversation, like Ashley does. Strike that and turn it into a request for confirmation: Does Kaidan actually have that option? I don't recall ever seeing it, and it is my impression that he doesn't. In my experience, the earliest you can break it off is if you tell him his story was boring (Shepard says something like, "Yeah, I was waiting for the good part to come" or something mean like that). I accidentally chose that one in my current, non-canon Artemis play-through. However, I don't know if that stops the chance to hear more of his story or not, as I've not played since Sunday. Did that cut off future conversation chances? (can't play for another 9 hours... work and stuff)

The conversation that occurs after the "I'm going to need some time to process this" (again, I say, "Process WHAT???"** ) seems like the earliest confirmed chance to let him down nicely and still hear all of his stories about braincamp.

**seriously, I have that reaction every time, like I said. It's like "Were we even participating in the same conversation? I know what I said, but I honestly have no idea what you heard."

Modifié par Interactive Civilian, 05 avril 2011 - 01:12 .

[Goodwood]

And this is why Goodwood could never get past talking to Kaiden after Spectre induction. The first time playing he got the "confrontation" and chose Liara, and could never really bear to get it again.

[Cyansomnia]

@ADLegend

At least he asks. Everyone is so wrapped up in their own stuff they don't even bother. It says something when the dying man who's probably not feeling well a majority of the time, shows more concern for the woman he cares about than himself.

But that's just me. ;-)

Anyways, new video will be up very soon.

My FemSheps in one word, that's difficult:

Holly:  Protector
Aislinn:  Fiery
Trista:  Stoic
Constance:  Immovable
Mac:  Determined
Moira:  Ruthless

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 05 avril 2011 - 01:29 .

[ELE08]

oops misread post, have a Teagan



while I'm here, one word:

Caroline - pragmatic

Teagan - brash

Modifié par ELE08, 05 avril 2011 - 01:32 .

[ADLegend21]

ELE08 wrote...

oops misread post, have a Teagan

Dat Teagan!