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[f1r3storm]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

even if it hasn't come up yet, she's talking about the visions from Object Rho. that's how Harbingers "hologram" appeared to her because of Object Rho.

It can't be.  Neither she nor Hackett know Object Rho even exists at that point.  She's referring to the Prothean visions from ME1.

if you're talking about when Hackett is in the medbay then yes Shepard means from Object Rho, when Kenson shows it to her she get's blasted the same way the beacon did in Me1 and that gives her visions of the arrival then the fight for your life thing happens. thsoe are the visions she's talking about.

I'm talking about when he rings Shepard up on the vidscreen in her quarters.  Before the mission.

But the quote you mentioned ("I’m not seeing any more visions if that’s what you’re asking”) is from that conversation at the end of Arrival.




TopShep

Modifié par f1r3storm, 13 avril 2011 - 09:12 .

[Puzzlewell]

mmmu wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Interactive Civilian wrote...

Akari Tenshi wrote...

@Crash:

The only things I can think of off the top of my head are no more couger femshep please. I want to be able to have Hrist talk to her crew without sounding like she wants to give them a personal debrief in her quarters.

Oh so much THIS. THISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHIS!!!!

It would be nice to be able to talk to male characters without having to wade through a minefield of romance dialog. Dear Bioware: not all relationships can be classified as "want to shag" or "never want to talk to". There's a middle ground, and it would be nice if Shepard's dialog could reflect this, both in content and in tone (this probably goes both for maleShep and femShep, but I noticed the "seductive" tone more with femShep).

Anyway, completely agree on cougar femshep.  I don't mind her getting seductive well into a romance, but the first time she speaks to Jacob is just *facepalm*

James Sanders: Commander Shepard, it's an honor to --
Shepard: I'm gonna ride you like the stallion you are, big boy.  
James Sanders: :blink:

DO NOT WANT!!

DO NOT WANT! I concur. Speaking to Jacob with FemShep is nigh impossible. I hope they'll look into it, I figure this received a good load of feedback during the release of ME2.

Haha, god I hope they fix this for ME3... This is exactly why 1) I never talked to Jacob on future playthroughs and 2) I call FemShep Rapeface whenever I *do* have to talk to him for one reason or another.

(The Shep to Sanders bit made me almost LOL my office. )

Modifié par CalamityRanger, 13 avril 2011 - 09:11 .

[ADLegend21]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

even if it hasn't come up yet, she's talking about the visions from Object Rho. that's how Harbingers "hologram" appeared to her because of Object Rho.

It can't be.  Neither she nor Hackett know Object Rho even exists at that point.  She's referring to the Prothean visions from ME1.

if you're talking about when Hackett is in the medbay then yes Shepard means from Object Rho, when Kenson shows it to her she get's blasted the same way the beacon did in Me1 and that gives her visions of the arrival then the fight for your life thing happens. thsoe are the visions she's talking about.

I'm talking about when he rings Shepard up on the vidscreen in her quarters.  Before the mission.

I just played that  to see what you were talking about and hackett doesn't ask Shepardhow she's doing.

[Sable Phoenix]

f1r3storm wrote...

But the quote you mentioned ("I’m not seeing any more visions if that’s what you’re asking”) is from that conversation at the end of Arrival.

I could've sworn she said it the first conversation.  Well, I've only played it once... no real desire to go through it again but I guess I ought to.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 13 avril 2011 - 09:14 .

[Captain Crash]

CalamityRanger wrote...

Haha, god I hope they fix this for ME3... This is exactly why 1) I never talked to Jacob on future playthroughs and 2) I call FemShep Rapeface whenever I *do* have to talk to him for one reason or another.

(The Shep to Sanders bit made me almost LOL my office. )

Don't worry I made a solid point on this :happy:  

I made alot of solid points so far I think.  I just hope Bioware listen WHEN they read it!

 

Still 8 months away so Bioware have pleanty of time to make some adjustments!

[TheMarshal]

jwalker wrote...

When I start a new Shepard, I don't have all the dialog options, choices and stuff all scripted in my head. I'm fleshing out my character as I go. Of course, that often means I end up saying, "crap, that didn't make sense"
So probabably I should make a rerun for all my sheps. Not  gonna happen.
Thankfully, I wouldn't change anything in Natalia's run so far.

I certainly don't plan everything out (though plotting out all the conversation options on paper would make for an amazing wall graph!), but I definitely think about what she would do rather than what I would do, and that after three playthroughs (and more than a handful of fanfics) I have a much better idea of what she would do.

Probably the only decision I make which isn't necessarily in line with what she would do is saving the Council.  Initially, I felt that Sovereign was too big of a threat to ignore, even if it meant sacrificing others.  I didn't like that the Council was replaced with an all-human Council (and neither would she) so I always opt to save them.

[JamieCOTC]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

f1r3storm wrote...

But the quote you mentioned ("I’m not seeing any more visions if that’s what you’re asking”) is from that conversation at the end of Arrival.

I could've sworn she said it the first conversation.  Well, I've only played it once... no real desire to go through it again but I guess I ought to.

I've played it six times.  Hackett asks after the mission.

Looks like you went through hell down there.  How are you doing?
Fine.  No more visions, if that's what you mean.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 13 avril 2011 - 09:32 .

[Gilsa]

Re: The Jacob/FemShep thing

FYI, the writer for Jacob was also the writer for Aveline (who is pretty well regarded) in DA2. He was such a good sport in his post about taking his lumps for the way he wrote Jacob in ME2 that I ended up liking Jacob more and found myself wanting to find the time to romance Jacob to see the extra dialogue lines I missed.

Lukas Kristjanson wrote...

Pausanias wrote...

Just a quick question: which parts of ME2 did you write? Just curious.

Heh, well, let me just catch my breath after the body-blows of this thread, because for starters I wrote Jacob. I quite like him, the man has his act together, but yeah, I see how the cumulative effect of a lot of factors could be viewed a certain way by some people (ooh, look at me duck and weave../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png). Lessons learned every time, some obvious, some not. I also wrote Grunt and Joker which was crazy fun, with some Jack polish on the side, some crit path (I love a good speech), some reactivity (since I was also on ME1), and lots and lots of fiddly bits before I shifted over to the DA side again for prep and LS. Reviews are nice, but you know what makes me smile? Seeing Shep's “I’m sorry, I’m having trouble hearing you…” in someone's sig in a random forum. I giggled as I wrote that one very late night. And yes, I laugh at "the priiize" meme too.

Got to say, though, you can't slice any of our games up with utter absolutes of X did Y, and many of the above were edited or otherwise influenced by other talented people during reviews, interjections, and feedback from any number of playthroughs. We do it with every project, DA2 included. We definitely try to give ownership because we believe that's how you get the best plots and characters, but nothing is done in isolation, and that’s not limited to the writers. Some of my best work has been because an editor slapped me back to reality, we got an awesome
alternate read in the sound booth, line limits because we have the perfect actor but he's only available for X amount of time, cine showing something instead of me blabbing it, edits to someone else’s groundwork (or someone editing mine), tech or art coming up with something so awesome you rewrite the scene to showcase it, or any number of other factors.

So to bring this back to writing for DA2, but really the whole design of it, even if some of you disagree
with a decision we’ve made, you can be confident that nothing was decided in a vacuum. As picky as some get on these forums or elsewhere, I guarantee that in the vast number of cases we’ve passionately argued
the exact same points ourselves and did not make the call lightly. We may not always be able to give you every detail, but I don’t think there’s been a thread on the board that at least one of us can’t point at it and say “I knew someone would feel like that.”**

Makes me want to get it right the first time. Can’t always say I have, but it’s never for lack of trying.






**Except, you know, maybe the romance-your-sister threads. Dude, no.../../../images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png

Modifié par Gilsa, 13 avril 2011 - 09:39 .

[JamieCOTC]

I'd like to do another blog post on the site, detailing why femshep is so popular and why she works so well as a female action hero. Basically that she works so well in spite of BW, rather than because of them. Because she shares the same dialogue w/ manShep is partly the reason of her success. Thoughts?

[Tup3x]

RE: Cougar Shep. She does have that seductive voice when talking to Jacob. "I'm more interested in just talking for a bit." Are you sure, Shepard?

Had few decent looking shots lying around.

[TheMarshal]

JamieCOTC wrote...

I'd like to do another blog post on the site, detailing why femshep is so popular and why she works so well as a female action hero. Basically that she works so well in spite of BW, rather than because of them. Because she shares the same dialogue w/ manShep is partly the reason of her success. Thoughts?

Agreed.  She's not treated as a "female version of Shepard".  She is Shepard.  It's only a scant few instances where her gender is even acknowledged, which I think makes for an excellent female protagonist.

[sagefic]

TheMarshal wrote...

Agreed.  She's not treated as a "female version of Shepard".  She is Shepard.  It's only a scant few instances where her gender is even acknowledged, which I think makes for an excellent female protagonist.

This. Shepard is Shepard first, then he/she gets a gender, face, race, background, etc. It makes Shepard human and epic all at once.

re: the guy who wrote Jacob. If he wrote the line "Sorry, having trouble hearing you through all the bullsh8t on my end." then he is more than pardoned in my book. I LOVE that line.

G2010 wrote...
Following the info released about ME3 it seems that Bioware are listening to us all. I am feeling more confident that femshep will get the attention and care we are all desire. Here's hoping.

I agree. optimism always for sage!

btw, Speaking of good lines, what are lines that strike you as really "Canon" for shepard? not just your shep, but just shepard in general?

[Mestesso]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Anyway, completely agree on cougar femshep.  I don't mind her getting seductive well into a romance, but the first time she speaks to Jacob is just *facepalm*

James Sanders: Commander Shepard, it's an honor to --
Shepard: I'm gonna ride you like the stallion you are, big boy.  
James Sanders: :blink:

DO NOT WANT!!

What's the matter with the way Shepard talks to Jacob? 

www.youtube.com/watch

But, seriously, cougarShep is just awful.

And, nice job on FemShep.com, Jamie and Ryn and others I forget.

Hummmm, lurk the femShep thread and FemShep.com some more or go to softball practice......decisions, decisions.

[f1r3storm]

So... downloaded ME2 for the PC this evening and used a face code from when i tried to recreate my Shep in ME2 sometime last year... I think it looks alright, doesn't it?

Xbox:





PC:

[jwalker]

Gilsa wrote...

jwalker wrote...

Anyone else "preparing" their saves for ME3 already ?

I deleted my canon in both games to restart her character. I really thought I had her done, even took lots of screenshots and videos and stored them away on the external hard drive, but the magazine article got me stupidly excited about the return of Kaidan. I thought about how there were just a couple of facial tweaks I wanted to make and how I completely forgot to look for the earthborn quest (had never done it and regretted missing out). Throw in the fact that I wanted to give the flycam a try ... yeah, it was time to restart all over again. Also since my last game, I had upgraded to Windows 7 and got a bigger monitor so my older screenshots were looking pretty dated, too. =p

Loved your pics, btw!

Thank you!

Well, one of the reasons I want replay one of sheps (my Vanguard Abby) is because I want to make some tweaks to her face too
Also, I want to take a nice amount of screenies of her game. Hardly the best of reasons, but very compelling for me. Last time I played ME1 with her was over a year ago and I didn't have fraps or anything like that and Flycam wasn't even in my vocabulary...

And thanks for the L. Kristjanson post.

Modifié par jwalker, 13 avril 2011 - 10:46 .

[NM7]

JamieCOTC wrote...

I'd like to do another blog post on the site, detailing why femshep is so popular and why she works so well as a female action hero. Basically that she works so well in spite of BW, rather than because of them. Because she shares the same dialogue w/ manShep is partly the reason of her success. Thoughts?

I think that's the main reason she works. It doesn't really matter that she's female, she's just Shepard. She also isn't your typical video game female lead character, which instantly makes her more interesting in my opinion.

She isn't a helpless damsel in distress, she doesn't need someone to ride in and save her, she, thank god, isn't some walking sex object with completely outrageous proportions and she doesn't go in to a fire fight wearing less clothing than an underwear model. Instead she's just a normal person who could quite possibly exist in the real world.

That and Jennifer Hale's voice makes her sound like a real person who thinks, feels and reacts to what's going on around her, (for the most part) like someone in her situation might.

Or maybe I'm just a raving fanboy who's talking rubbish.

[Hyper_gateway]

Interactive Civilian wrote...

Can you tell I like taking Wrex and Liara on that mission? Wrex's dialog throughout Noveria is top-notch.

I'm so totally agree with you on this.

[Influ]

Interactive Civilian wrote...
Wrex's dialog throughout Noveria is top-notch. 

Oh yes. He has some brilliant lines there. Golden.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

TheMarshal wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

I'd like to do another blog post on the site, detailing why femshep is so popular and why she works so well as a female action hero. Basically that she works so well in spite of BW, rather than because of them. Because she shares the same dialogue w/ manShep is partly the reason of her success. Thoughts?

Agreed.  She's not treated as a "female version of Shepard".  She is Shepard.  It's only a scant few instances where her gender is even acknowledged, which I think makes for an excellent female protagonist.

I'm not willing to concede that FemShep's awesomeness is "in spite of Bioware." I think Bioware has got to have been consciously writing a character who didn't have too many gender tells; otherwise it wouldn't read as smoothly. Giving the different Shepards different LIs actually seems to help with this -  she gets a lot of development through those interactions, and that tends to be where she veers strongly away from the male version. The LIs are where they store the more strongly gendered dialogue - if I had accidentally stumbled onto the Miranda romance dialogues on my femshep, I would have felt the immersion breaking.

You can't just take any good male character, give all his lines to a girl, and have her sound realistic. Gender does have some influence on character traits, but they only let those traits creep in subtly, during some of the love interest dialogues (and not all of them - there are some relationships I think would sound natural with either gender). Since these tells show up in some of the love interest scripts, but are absent from the rest of the game, I think that Bioware is consciously keeping that kind of "gender tell" out of their main characterization. Does this make any sense?

Maybe we can agree that FemShep's awesomeness is partially based on the fact that they don't have to market her to the least common denominator? I think that's more accurate than to say she's doing it in spite of Bioware's writing efforts.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 14 avril 2011 - 12:02 .

[TheHikariMoon]

Okay, so yeah, this thread is the entire reason why I decided to go ahead and register my game so I could post.

FemShep is awesome. I can't get enough of her. All my playthroughs, with the exception of one Sheploo, were FemShep.

[aimlessgun]

@Tup3xi: Damn, those are some sick screenshots. What the heck is spiky floating thing on the right in the 3rd one though?

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
I think Bioware has got to have been consciously writing a character who didn't have too many gender tells; otherwise it wouldn't read as smoothly.

Has anyone ever asked a Bioware writer about this in an interview? I'd be interested to hear the response. It does seem too smooth to be accidental.

TheHikariMoon wrote...

Okay, so yeah, this thread is the entire reason why I decided to go ahead and register my game so I could post.

FemShep is awesome. I can't get enough of her. All my playthroughs, with the exception of one Sheploo, were FemShep.

Welcome to the forums

[Influ]

aimlessgun wrote...

@Tup3xi: Damn, those are some sick screenshots. What the heck is spiky floating thing on the right in the 3rd one though?

I think it was a collector. Before getting vaporized by the giant terminator.

edit
Had a lol there.

Modifié par Influ, 14 avril 2011 - 12:22 .

[sagefic]

TheHikariMoon wrote...

Okay, so yeah, this thread is the entire reason why I decided to go ahead and register my game so I could post.

FemShep is awesome. I can't get enough of her. All my playthroughs, with the exception of one Sheploo, were FemShep.

/waves

Hi! This thread is a very good reason to post in the forums.

[QwibQwib]

Anyone playing ME2 again?