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[Interactive Civilian]

TheMarshal wrote...

Earth is only one of the many planets we're visiting in ME3, and only one of the planets we visited in the demos, but I get what you're saying.

Believe me, I hope I'm completely wrong and off base. Specifically, it's the 2nd bullet point after the main description under the "Info" tab on the ME3 Homepage that is causing me to feel these hints of disappointment. I understand that we'll be visiting other worlds, but it's the motivation beyond the simple "gotta stop the Reapers" that has me worried.

I doubt such a decision will come to pass in the game so I feel safe asking about it here without it seeming spoilerish (as everyone knows ME3 will have to do with Earth anyway), but I'm curious, as you all seem to have definite personalities for your FemSheps, and can role-play them. So, FemShep question:

Given the following choice:
1.) destroy (or cause to be destroyed) Earth and certainly definitively stop the Reapers, possibily minimizing the cost and casualties to the other races, as well as sparing other human colony worlds.
-or-
2.) save the Earth at the risk of only maybe stopping the Reapers. It's not definite, but it's not hopeless either, and there is a reasonable chance that you could pull it off. However, it will cost the lives of many more people (human and otherwise) all across the galaxy to do so, pehaps even the destruction of other planet. But, Earth would be mostly spared, and would survive.

If that were the decision, which would your particular Shepard do?

I know for certain that Artemis would choose #1. She has no particular attachment to Earth, nor any particular sentimentality that it is the origin world of Humans. To her it is just another human planet, and in the face of the Reapers attempting to wipe out all intelligent, space-faring life, the cost of a single planet is worth it.

I don't know what Athene would do, because I don't know her as well as I do Artemis.

Both are Colonist sole-survivors, though.

[edit]
Ahh, topshep!
http://cloud.steampo...C34670A9DF9B8C/
Sorry about the Earth, Joker, but I'm not going to sacrifice the safety of the entire galaxy for the sake of one planet. Even ours.
That's why you're a Spectre, Commander.

Also, @100k, sorry I missed your post as I was trying to post. Co-workers are ruining the internet connection by running bittorrent or something. grrr...

Anyway, my issue is with story direction, as specified by the bullet point I referred to in the very first part of this post. I'm in this game mainly for the story and everything that goes along with that. ME2's story disappointed me a lot, and I'm hoping ME3's will make up for it. But the marketing info released so far is giving me doubts.

Again, these are all my own opinions. YMMV.

Modifié par Interactive Civilian, 07 juin 2011 - 05:20 .

[100k]

Interactive Civilian wrote...
I'm just disappointed to see the pan-galactic epic that was ME1 (possibly, apparently) dwindle to yet another "Earth is the most important place in the universe" cliche. <_<

Yeah, but we don't actually know that! Resistance, Halo, Crysis, all of  these games climax with Earth being attacked by giant aliens. But those games are linear, and don't offer any choice in the matter! We've been told by marketing that we need to rally the races to defend Earth. But we've also seen that the Reapers are a galaxy wide threat! 

This game probably won't boil down to a Shepard-takes-back-Earth = galaxy instantly saved situation. You may have to sacrifice Earth to win the favor of many races.

But in the end, Marketing isn't going to say "save Palaven, the Citadel, and Rannoch", because the average person browsing for a game won't know what the hell those places are, and won't feel any connection to them. But if you put down "Save Earth" on the box, the average person might think oh, I get to save MY planet? Cool!", AND marketing can/should be able to trust us long time fans to work out the real diversity within ME3.

[100k]

TheMarshal wrote...

100k wrote...

I'm not gonna be able to buy ME3 because I'll be at college, and I am not bringing a $500+ rig/console with me to school dorms.

You're...  not?!

Man...  times have changed since I was in college...

Hell no. Too much risk of theft, and far too distracting. On top of that, any damage that might occur to my system would mean I'd have to repair it at a shop that I'm not familiar with. 

Maybe in a semester I'll change my mind, but until I see who I'm rooming with, and how secure my facilities are, I'll stick with my laptop/ipod. 

[Interactive Civilian]

@100k, very good points. Like I said, I'm adopting a "wait and see" cautiously hopeful attitude.

Especially given the difference between what was marketed and what the games turned out to be for both Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2.

I just don't want to set myself up for disappointment. Better to expect the worst and either get what you expect or be very pleasantly surprised than to be let down after getting your hopes too high. At least, for me.

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ESPECIALLY considering that, in this case, "the worst" is still probably pretty damn good, whether or not I feel it is "purchase immediately" level good or "wait for the first sale" level good.

Modifié par Interactive Civilian, 07 juin 2011 - 05:24 .

[TheMarshal]

Interactive Civilian wrote...

So, FemShep question:

Given the following choice:
1.) destroy (or cause to be destroyed) Earth and certainly definitively stop the Reapers, possibily minimizing the cost and casualties to the other races, as well as sparing other human colony worlds.
-or-
2.) save the Earth at the risk of only maybe stopping the Reapers. It's not definite, but it's not hopeless either, and there is a reasonable chance that you could pull it off. However, it will cost the lives of many more people (human and otherwise) all across the galaxy to do so, pehaps even the destruction of other planet. But, Earth would be mostly spared, and would survive.

If that were the decision, which would your particular Shepard do?

As much as she'd miss real Mexican food (you just CAN'T get the good stuff off-world), Alice would probably go with option #1.  But ONLY if she were certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that it would stop the Reapers for good.  If there were any doubt in her mind, she'd find another way.

[100k]

Interactive Civilian wrote...

@100k, very good points. Like I said, I'm adopting a "wait and see" cautiously hopeful attitude.

Especially given the difference between what was marketed and what the games turned out to be for both Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2.

I just don't want to set myself up for disappointment. Better to expect the worst and either get what you expect or be very pleasantly surprised than to be let down after getting your hopes too high. At least, for me.

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ESPECIALLY considering that, in this case, "the worst" is still probably pretty damn good, whether or not I feel it is "purchase immediately" level good or "wait for the first sale" level good.

You should be willing to take that risk if you played ME2. Even I, who loved the improved game play of the second game, still feel as if it was a massive disappointment in many eras. But with the knowledge that Bioware is addressing nearly all of the concerns we had with ME2 for ME3, knowing that the RPG elements are apparently bigger than they were in ME1(!!!) should stem any concerns you have.

[Interactive Civilian]

TheMarshal wrote...

As much as she'd miss real Mexican food (you just CAN'T get the good stuff off-world), Alice would probably go with option #1.  But ONLY if she were certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that it would stop the Reapers for good.  If there were any doubt in her mind, she'd find another way.

Indeed. I don't mean to give the impression that Artemis would make such a decision lightly. But it is certainly the choice she would make given those two options.

Also, aside, but, you have me beat. I only got into the Mass Effect series this past December due to the deals in the Steam Christmas sale.

@100k... You are probably right. Still a long time between now and next March to learn more and wait and see, so plenty of time to change my mind. But, I'll still hold off on pre-ordering.

I've never been one to go in for pre-orders or making a big deal about release day purchases anyway. Portal 2 was probably the first pre-order I've done since Marathon 2 and the first time I've owned a new major game on release day since Halo 2. ME3 will survive without my pre-order, and in the worst case, I have to start playing a few days after all of you as I wait for some of your impressions and, assuming I'm suitably impressed, then purchase and download it from Steam.

[SkaldFish]

"Smart move, Bioware. 'Cause mine really is bigger."

[Hyper_gateway]

Interactive Civilian wrote...

Given the following choice:
1.) destroy (or cause to be destroyed)
Earth and certainly definitively stop the Reapers, possibily minimizing
the cost and casualties to the other races, as well as sparing other
human colony worlds.
-or-
2.) save the Earth at the risk of only
maybe stopping the Reapers. It's not definite, but it's not hopeless
either, and there is a reasonable chance that you could pull it off.
However, it will cost the lives of many more people (human and
otherwise) all across the galaxy to do so, pehaps even the destruction
of other planet. But, Earth would be mostly spared, and would survive.

If that were the decision, which would your particular Shepard do?

Both of my femshep will choose 2, citizens are at stake but that doesn't mean you take away any chance for the to survive.


I didn't expect to finish another one in an hour, but it is done now

M4 Shuriken Heavy Pistol
[url=http://social.bioware.com/project/4704/#files] Garrus Blue Armory [url]

[SkaldFish]

EDIT: Added what happens next...


"All non-biotic personnel expected to be deployed in forward positions, particularly those positions in which heavy weapons fire is likely, are strongly urged to request Biotic Barrier augmentation and training. In many cases, a strong Barrier is the combatant's only hope of survival in heavy fire scenarios." - OFHAMP (Official Field Handbook for Alliance Military Personnel), page 267.

Modifié par SkaldFish, 07 juin 2011 - 07:01 .

[Interactive Civilian]

^^^ Shouldn't that be "All biotic personnel", rather than non-biotic? How can non-biotics use a biotic barrier?

Love the shot, by the way.

[SkaldFish]

Interactive Civilian wrote...

^^^ Shouldn't that be "All biotic personnel", rather than non-biotic? How can non-biotics use a biotic barrier?

Love the shot, by the way.

Thanks! Editing it now to add a composite of the whole sequence affer the mech missile hits...

Rhea is a soldier, not a biotic, so my assumption is that, since the Barrier is a bonus power she can be given, in a "real" situation she would have to receive it via a "special" augmentation program for Alliance personnel.

But, hey, I made it all up just now, so I'm open to more well-thought-out backstories.

[Interactive Civilian]

Ah, that makes sense. I'd never thought of bonus powers that way. I mean, I realize the game mechanic is that way, but since they are something you assign before any gameplay actually starts, I've always considered them innate parts of my character, rather than actual training any given N7 could receive.

That's an interesting way of looking at it.

[Sinapus]

"Destroy the Earth?! No way! It's where I keep all my stuff!!" /The Tick

[SkaldFish]

"Together? Um... yes. Yes we are."

[f1r3storm]

SkaldFish wrote...


"Together? Um... yes. Yes we are."

"Must... resist... to grab... dat ass... :pinched:"

[Hyper_gateway]

Colly is pissed by Cerberus......

Modifié par Hyper_gateway, 07 juin 2011 - 11:55 .

[CrazyRah]

Hyper_gateway wrote...

Colly is pissed by Cerberus......

As i said earlier, it's a WOAH amazingly awesome work! I love it <3

[Rheia]

ME3 forums are... interesting. There are no pleasing some people .
-----------------------

Hm. Kasumi.... I adore that girl. Didn't expect to like her so much, but she and her room became a kind of go-to place (haha Goto... go to...) to both reflect on things and both happy and melancholic. Least prior to recruiting Thane, after which the two kind of share the time.

I love Kasumi's quarters, though. So much.



Oh. and  I've been capturing Shep making funny faces recently. The one below, for example... that's a face of someone up to some serious mischief, haha.

Modifié par Rheia, 07 juin 2011 - 12:18 .

[Interactive Civilian]

Rheia wrote...

ME3 forums are... interesting. There are no pleasing some people .

Heh. I just noticed for the first time that the ME3 forums are even there (I have the Mass Effect forum subsection bookmarked, and for some reason ME3 gets its own subsection rather than being part of this one).  Anyway, good to see that. Hopefully it will keep the spoilers away from the rest of these forums.


Though, I assume that it will be ok to continue discussing femShep here, even in terms of ME3 and what femShep based marketing comes out? I mean, I don't see why it wouldn't, but I don't mind being one to ask stupid questions.

[aimlessgun]

Interactive Civilian wrote...

Given the following choice:
1.) destroy (or cause to be destroyed) Earth and certainly definitively stop the Reapers, possibily minimizing the cost and casualties to the other races, as well as sparing other human colony worlds.
-or-
2.) save the Earth at the risk of only maybe stopping the Reapers. It's not definite, but it's not hopeless either, and there is a reasonable chance that you could pull it off. However, it will cost the lives of many more people (human and otherwise) all across the galaxy to do so, pehaps even the destruction of other planet. But, Earth would be mostly spared, and would survive.

If that were the decision, which would your particular Shepard do?

That's a tough decision. I can only really try to narrow down the percentages at which it becomes tough.

If we say option 1 is 100% chance of Reaper defeat, then Myddine will automatically take option 1 probably up until option 2 is a 85+% chance of Reaper defeat. Option 2 @ 85-95% is harder but still skewed to option 1. 95%+ is a pretty tough decision. 

Those might seem like pretty high acceptable percentages for a prohuman renegade, but Myddine values her own life pretty highly, and option 1 increases the chances of her living. 

[jamesp81]

Interactive Civilian wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Earth is only one of the many planets we're visiting in ME3, and only one of the planets we visited in the demos, but I get what you're saying.

Believe me, I hope I'm completely wrong and off base. Specifically, it's the 2nd bullet point after the main description under the "Info" tab on the ME3 Homepage that is causing me to feel these hints of disappointment. I understand that we'll be visiting other worlds, but it's the motivation beyond the simple "gotta stop the Reapers" that has me worried.

I doubt such a decision will come to pass in the game so I feel safe asking about it here without it seeming spoilerish (as everyone knows ME3 will have to do with Earth anyway), but I'm curious, as you all seem to have definite personalities for your FemSheps, and can role-play them. So, FemShep question:

Given the following choice:
1.) destroy (or cause to be destroyed) Earth and certainly definitively stop the Reapers, possibily minimizing the cost and casualties to the other races, as well as sparing other human colony worlds.
-or-
2.) save the Earth at the risk of only maybe stopping the Reapers. It's not definite, but it's not hopeless either, and there is a reasonable chance that you could pull it off. However, it will cost the lives of many more people (human and otherwise) all across the galaxy to do so, pehaps even the destruction of other planet. But, Earth would be mostly spared, and would survive.

If that were the decision, which would your particular Shepard do?

I know for certain that Artemis would choose #1. She has no particular attachment to Earth, nor any particular sentimentality that it is the origin world of Humans. To her it is just another human planet, and in the face of the Reapers attempting to wipe out all intelligent, space-faring life, the cost of a single planet is worth it.

I don't know what Athene would do, because I don't know her as well as I do Artemis.

Both are Colonist sole-survivors, though.

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Ahh, topshep!
http://cloud.steampo...C34670A9DF9B8C/
Sorry about the Earth, Joker, but I'm not going to sacrifice the safety of the entire galaxy for the sake of one planet. Even ours.
That's why you're a Spectre, Commander.

Also, @100k, sorry I missed your post as I was trying to post. Co-workers are ruining the internet connection by running bittorrent or something. grrr...

Anyway, my issue is with story direction, as specified by the bullet point I referred to in the very first part of this post. I'm in this game mainly for the story and everything that goes along with that. ME2's story disappointed me a lot, and I'm hoping ME3's will make up for it. But the marketing info released so far is giving me doubts.

Again, these are all my own opinions. YMMV.

I would seriously consider not buying the game.  I played the previous two games to score a big win for Earth and even the possibility of a tragic ending for humanity's home is disgusting to me.  I get enough tragedy in real life; entertainment is intended to take our minds off of it.  This is one reason I loved Lord of the Rings and didn't care anything about the new BSG.  It's why when it comes to books I like David Weber, John Ringo, Jim Butcher, Tom Kratman, and Travis S. Taylor and it's why I detest anything with the word "Warhammer" attached to it.

If there is a tragic "you lose" ending it will depend on how it's handled whether or not I'll buy the game.  If it's one of those "all endings are equally valid" kind of endings, I'll probably pass on ME3.  If it's something like "Earth blows, then Critical Mission Failure" that's different, obviously.

As for choosing between Earth and other worlds, it's pretty much not believable to me, anyway, that a human Alliance soldier would choose to do anything other than defend Earth, regardless of background or morality.

Edit:

If one of my Shepards did choose option 1, she'd hate herself for it.  In fact, I'm pretty sure that after the war was over she'd choose to commit suicide rather than live with what she'd done.  I'd rather my trilogy not end on that sort of note <_<

Modifié par jamesp81, 07 juin 2011 - 02:19 .

[N3phtys]

Rheia wrote...

ME3 forums are... interesting. There are no pleasing some people .
-----------------------

Hm. Kasumi.... I adore that girl. Didn't expect to like her so much, but she and her room became a kind of go-to place (haha Goto... go to...) to both reflect on things and both happy and melancholic. Least prior to recruiting Thane, after which the two kind of share the time.

I love Kasumi's quarters, though. So much.



Oh. and  I've been capturing Shep making funny faces recently. The one below, for example... that's a face of someone up to some serious mischief, haha.

what the hell are you wearing? looks like the official dress for TeamJacob oO

[Rheia]

N3phtys wrote...
What the hell are you wearing? looks like the official dress for TeamJacob oO

That's an asari commando recolor, found here: http://social.biowar...m/project/2868/
And I protest the TeamJacob thing! If anything, she is a Thane girl . Though that armor matches great with anything tight and leather

Modifié par Rheia, 07 juin 2011 - 03:55 .

[100k]

[quote]jamesp81 wrote...
I would seriously consider not buying the game.  I played the previous two games to score a big win for Earth and even the possibility of a tragic ending for humanity's home is disgusting to me.  I get enough tragedy in real life; entertainment is intended to take our minds off of it.[/quote]

I'm sorry to hear that you've been having some tragedies in life. I am. But if you want entertainment where the good guy wins hands down to take your mind off of real life's problems, then you should never have started playing Mass Effect in the first place (no offense). Mass Effect is about sacrifice, struggle, and character development--along with third person action/shooting. Minus the shooting element, these traits are one of the reasons why many of us like Mass Effect. We get to make tough decisions, and sympathize or stand against characters in its universe. 

When Tali's dad died in ME2, I felt really sorry for her. Now, I recognize that it is a game, but if my mom can cry at the end of the static series of events that make up a romance drama movie, then I feel justified in feeling bad for a video game character whom I'll be spending 20 hours developing.

On top of that, in ME2 Shepard can die permanently. Would you have not boughten the game knowing that there is a possibility of the protagonist dying?


[quote] This is one reason I loved Lord of the Rings and didn't care anything about the new BSG. [/quote]

I don't know anything about BSG, but I can tell you that LOTR's ending (perhaps one of the best in literature) isn't about good conquering evil. LOTR's ending is about how much you sacrifice to preserve the things you love, and how, in sacrificing yourself, the value of what you are preserving changes, because you change. The Hobbits went back to the Shire, only to find it butchered and ruined. When they restored it, Frodo realized that it just wasn't the same. To him it was "like going back asleep, again". 

[quote]If there is a tragic "you lose" ending it will depend on how it's handled whether or not I'll buy the game.  If it's one of those "all endings are equally valid" kind of endings, I'll probably pass on ME3.  If it's something like "Earth blows, then Critical Mission Failure" that's different, obviously.[/quote]

Why should your ending be any more or less valid than the ending that someone else gets? We've all been developing our Shepard's for years now, and we're finally coming to an end. There is no canon in Mass Effect, so if Earth blows up because you wanted to save another star system first, you've got no one to blame but yourself and you'll ALWAYS have the option of playing the game over again to get a different result. [/quote]