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[Ottemis]

I think we've pretty much concluded that they could have done the voting thing better if they should have done it at all, unfortunately that's crying over spilled milk right now.

The constant (minor) eruptions on the subject of the validity of people's opinion, and I'm gonna try and word this properly right now so bare with me:
I can understand you would defend yourself feeling like your opinion is not being validated or appreciated as much as someone else values their own, at the very least.
Unfortunately, and I reckon we all know this, this is the case more often then not; We all know that on average people care more for their opinion on a subject, and consider their thoughts and feelings valid over those of another, which.. is only natural. Stupid and shortsighted at times sure, but still the general status-quo.

While I ofc agree that people should be completely free to voice their opinions and defend what they believe in, the repetition of the same point is becoming rather useless. I think we've shown support for the lack of ethnic shep, whether or not we voted for the blonde at the same time. There are, I would say, a slew of people that agree on the subject of having wanted shep to be erm.. 'special' / groundbreaking / different.
There's always gonna be a few that think that the fight to strive for that is not one worth fighting?
And us/you noticing injustice is always going to be a disputed thing, because not everyone chooses to see the same.

Anyways my point is, just don't let yourself get riled up by it.
Lots agree, and those that don't could offer endless fighting and debate and in the end the only loss is your good spirits.

Now this is me not being on any side on this matter, I've already voiced what my thoughts were on the subject earlier in the debate. I'm just saying.. let it go, cause well, you know.. people will be people.
Tis a crying shame at times that we can't all see or recognize the problems others spot with things and emphathize even though it's not something we personally would care about, but not alot of people do that, on average.

Anyways, this is a globalisation based on an observation over time, not directed at anyone in particular though logicly catalized by the ongoing debate on the subject. Take it as you will.


Have a Shep with that.

Modifié par Ottemis, 04 août 2011 - 01:24 .

[Tup3x]

I'm going to tell a secret now: I didn't vote.

[Ottemis]

Tup3xi wrote...
I'm going to tell a secret now: I didn't vote.

That's ok Tup, we don't care about your opinion anyways! *ducks and runs*

Joke! much love!
I demand more pics though.

Modifié par Ottemis, 04 août 2011 - 01:53 .

[Sialater]

I don't care what the default is.  I'll never use her.  I'm just glad to see FemShep getting official attention instead of being the red-headed stepchild.

These are the Sheps that will be saving the galaxy in my games:

[Captain Crash]

Ok I well loaded up my games and wrote down my playing times.  Just listening to the opening notes of Vigil instantly reminds me that ME1 is by far the superior game.  Not that ME2 is bad, its just no ME1 


Mass Effect 1:

Jane Shepard: 63h 51m
Amelia shepard: 48h 21m
Laura Shepard: 48h 15m
Tom Shepard:  52h 15m
Sophie Shepard: 15h 58m  (Failed Shep)
Other Failed Sheps: 37h 21m

Total:  266hrs

Mass Effect 2:

Amelia Shepard: 53h 31m
Jane Shepard: 59h 08m
Laura Shepard #1: 61h 25m
Laura Shepard #2: 52h 20m

Total: 226hrs



Conculsion;  I spent far more time on ME2 then I thought and less time on ME1 then I thought.  I still need to complete DLC on ME2 for Jane and one of my Laura's.   Also my Jane Shep playing time is a staggering 123 hours and counting!    

Isnt the average playing time for ME2 30 hours?  Talk about taking my time!! 

Modifié par Captain Crash, 04 août 2011 - 02:30 .

[Tup3x]

Ottemis wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...
I'm going to tell a secret now: I didn't vote.

That's ok Tup, we don't care about your opinion anyways! *ducks and runs*

Joke! much love!
I demand more pics though.

Brace yourself! Pic bomb incoming.

Modifié par Tup3xi, 04 août 2011 - 03:15 .

[Ottemis]

Tup3xi wrote...

Hah! Ninja-landing.
Love the pics

*edit for retarded cow planet

Modifié par Ottemis, 04 août 2011 - 03:15 .

[nranola]

^

I love how Wrex is giving it the evil eye. xD

Ahh, all these screens are making me want to load up ME1 again. Shep has only just reached Spectre status when I last left it.

[Tup3x]

Ottemis wrote...

Tup3xi wrote.../snip

Hah! Ninja-landing.
Love the pics

*edit for retarded cow planet
/sniz

Cheers!

Every time I see those "cows" something inside me wants me to run over them with Mako or blow 'em to atoms but for some reason I never actually do that...

Picture shock wave.

[100k]

 

Nice, Tup3xi! DAT COMPOSITION!!!!!
:happy::happy:

[sagefic]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

 The Border House gaming blog has an entry about the chosen FemShep. Thought I'd share, since we all seem to be in a link sharing mood this past week:

borderhouseblog.com/


Edit:  Kotaku gives a nod to Sage's "Many Faces of FemShep" video: kotaku.com/5826908/the-many-faces-of-commander-shepard-kickass-space+lady [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/kissing.png[/smilie]

KEWL!!
I was wondering why I'd suddenly gotten all these hits/comments to my email about that. youtube has a delay in telling you what sites are linking to vids, so that's nice to know. 
and ya know, for all that they may make a default femshep of any looks or color, to me, "Default" Shepard will always be the shifting kalidescope of shepard that I see here, at femshep.com, on deviant art, and in fandom in general. 
and quoting one of the cutest shepards, just because this is awesome:

ELE08 wrote...

*cough*

[AkodoRyu]

What took them so long? :/

[leggywillow]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...
What Adneate and Leggy Willow are trying to say is:

 "Hey guys! We see no problem so there is no problem! Really!

  Stop being so silly, what with your social critiques and discussion of beauty standards and minority representation and whatever. LoL"

Sweet Jesus Christ, now I remember why I stopped coming into this thread.

I was just pointing out that the devs confirmed a white-bread FemShep MONTHS ago, and nobody went crazy then.  Thus it's a bit strange that some people are criticizing BW now for pandering to the masses or passing up a chance to make a statement on minorities and beauty and what have you when BW already reconsidered their position by providing the 6 options.  From there people can criticize the voting system or the predictable tastes of the masses, but I wanted to defend BW.

ETA:  To address VillageIdiot's post, I don't think anyone is saying "There, BW threw you guys a bone by providing one or two dark-ish skinned FemSheps, so shut up and be happy."  I'm just trying to put it in perspective, and I'm also trying to figure out why I'm the only one who remembers that Twitter posts from months back basically saying "Haha, of course FemShep will be caucasian, anything else would be weird at this point!"  I found that a bit more dismissive than this whole voting hubbub, but it seems no one was offended by that and I'm curious as to why.  Publicity, I guess.

Modifié par leggywillow, 04 août 2011 - 05:24 .

[ELE08]

sagequeen wrote...

and quoting one of the cutest shepards, just because this is awesome:

ELE08 wrote...

*cough*

the drea flux

She will indeed be taking Jacob up on drinks and dancing after the Reapers are defeated.  Hopefully by then she will have gotten her groove back from wherever Miranda hid it...

Just say no to the Shepard Shuffle.  Awkward Flux dancing FTW!

Modifié par ELE08, 04 août 2011 - 05:22 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

leggywillow wrote...

Flies_by_Handles wrote...
What Adneate and Leggy Willow are trying to say is:

 "Hey guys! We see no problem so there is no problem! Really!

  Stop being so silly, what with your social critiques and discussion of beauty standards and minority representation and whatever. LoL"

Sweet Jesus Christ, now I remember why I stopped coming into this thread.

I was just pointing out that the devs confirmed a white-bread FemShep MONTHS ago, and nobody went crazy then.  Thus it's a bit strange that some people are criticizing BW now for pandering to the masses or passing up a chance to make a statement on minorities and beauty and what have you when BW already reconsidered their position by providing the 6 options.  From there people can criticize the voting system or the predictable tastes of the masses, but I wanted to defend BW.

ETA:  To address VillageIdiot's post, I don't think anyone is saying "There, BW threw you guys a bone by providing one or two dark-ish skinned FemSheps, so shut up and be happy."  I'm just trying to put it in perspective, and I'm also trying to figure out why I'm the only one who remembers that Twitter posts from months back basically saying "Haha, of course FemShep will be caucasian, anything else would be weird at this point!"  I found that a bit more dismissive than this whole voting hubbub, but it seems no one was offended by that and I'm curious as to why.  Publicity, I guess.

This is the most civil thread on BSN, you!  Didn't you know that?

[mellifera]

Bleh, nvm. Don't want to get into this right now.

Modifié par yukidama, 04 août 2011 - 06:06 .

[ELE08]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

Village Idiot wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

adneate wrote...
It seems like most people have totally lost the point of why anybody wanted something like this in the first place, it wasn't to make some statement against Western standards of beauty or start some media revolution. It was to make clear that the female Commander Shepard was just as valid an option as the male counterpart and others (both male and female) should try it.

This.

In fact, before BW decided to present 6 options and let the fandom vote, one of the devs actually tweeted in response to someone asking for a darker skinned FemShep saying that FemShep would be caucasian.  Apparently they changed their minds and decided to let the fandom vote, but pushing the envelope about beauty standards or whatever was never on the agenda.

snipped for length

Also, because Bioware changed their mind about creating three FemSheps who are women of color, I'm supposed to be happy?  It reaks of tokenism if that's that case and that sort of assertion makes me uncomfortable.

 What Adneate and Leggy Willow are trying to say is:

"Hey guys! We see no problem so there is no problem! Really!

Stop being so silly, what with your social critiques and discussion of beauty standards and minority representation and whatever. LoL"

Talk about taking a fairly innocuous comment and completely overreacting.

They're not allowed to have a different opinion on the issue?  Not everyone thinks Mass Effect and FemShep are the proper platform for debates about racial equality in the media and western beauty standards.  We asked for more femshep representation, we got it.  For some, it can be just as simple as that.  Not everyone wants to make it a soapbox for bigger issues.  I for one, could care less what color skin or hair they make default femshep.  Is she still the same character? Yes.  Is she still voiced by Jen Hale? Check.  Still gets the same kickass armor and guns male Shepard gets? You bet.

This kind of hostile attitude is so out of nowhere and does nothing to further your cause.  It makes it apparent you have about as little empathy for their opinions as you think they do for yours.

So instead of just handing us a standard caucasian femshep a la Sheploo, Bioware decided to make a more diverse selection for us to choose from, and this is a bad thing?  I fail to see how this is tokenism, or at what point it stops being considered tokenism.  I find it ironic since there was only one blonde out of the six up there.  The rest looked like a mix of caucasian, asian, black and hispanic mixes, which is what you'd expect in a more plural future.

Umm, this is a civil thread.  1500 hundred pages and the most sarcasm and vitriol I've seen have been localized to a few recent comments.  Either agree to disagree, or keep your arguments civil.  Everyone has different opinions and perspectives, that's life, sarcasm and personal attacks are uncalled for.  Take it to PM if you have to

Good idea Yuki.  Save yourself! I did read your comment however, and at least they gave the option.
The fact that the majority voted for #5 is out of their hands.  That's democracy for you.

At least everyone still has the option to make Shepard look however they want.

[Fraevar]

ELE08 wrote...
Talk about taking a fairly innocuous comment and completely overreacting.

They're not allowed to have a different opinion on the issue?  Not everyone thinks Mass Effect and FemShep are the proper platform for debates about racial equality in the media and western beauty standards.  We asked for more femshep representation, we got it.  For some, it can be just as simple as that.  Not everyone wants to make it a soapbox for bigger issues.  I for one, could care less what color skin or hair they make default femshep.  Is she still the same character? Yes.  Is she still voiced by Jen Hale? Check.  Still gets the same kickass armor and guns male Shepard gets? You bet.

This kind of hostile attitude is so out of nowhere and does nothing to further your cause.  It makes it apparent you have about as little empathy for their opinions as you think they do for yours.

So instead of just handing us a standard caucasian femshep a la Sheploo, Bioware decided to make a more diverse selection for us to choose from, and this is a bad thing?  I fail to see how this is tokenism, or at what point it stops being considered tokenism.  I find it ironic since there was only one blonde out of the six up there.  The rest looked like a mix of caucasian, asian, black and hispanic mixes, which is what you'd expect in a more plural future.

Umm, this is a civil thread.  1500 hundred pages and the most sarcasm and vitriol I've seen have been localized to a few recent comments.  Either agree to disagree, or keep your arguments civil.  Everyone has different opinions and perspectives, that's life, sarcasm and personal attacks are uncalled for.  Take it to PM if you have to

Good idea Yuki.  Save yourself! I did read your comment however, and at least they gave the option.
The fact that the majority voted for #5 is out of their hands.  That's democracy for you.

At least everyone still has the option to make Shepard look however they want.

This post shouldn't be edited, because it contains too many good things, but let me just say that the bit I bolded is precisely how I feel. I, and many others have long advocated that femShep be marketed as the equally valid alternative to m!Shep that she is, as well as giving a should out to the actress behind the character. We've gotten that, and I for one am happy. The community came together and BioWare listened and now some want to turn it around and hijack the agenda for their own ends. As ELE said - there are far better places to discuss thoughts of racial equality and stereotyping than in a science-fiction videogame.

[ELE08]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...
snip

The community came together and BioWare listened and now some want to turn it around and hijack the agenda for their own ends. As ELE said - there are far better places to discuss thoughts of racial equality and stereotyping than in a science-fiction videogame.

I agree, and do feel a little like the original aims for femshep recognition have been hijacked, with the addendum: I actually do think media like science fiction videogames, movies, etc are the perfect place to address larger cultural issues.  And I think the actual game does this quite well.

That said, I don't feel like this thread is the right place to address those issues specifically.  Totally okay with it being brought up in another context ie. its own thread or in group discussion.

[Ottemis]

ELE08 wrote...

Delerius_Jedi wrote...
snip

The community came together and BioWare listened and now some want to turn it around and hijack the agenda for their own ends. As ELE said - there are far better places to discuss thoughts of racial equality and stereotyping than in a science-fiction videogame.

I agree, and do feel a little like the original aims for femshep recognition have been hijacked, with the addendum: I actually do think media like science fiction videogames, movies, etc are the perfect place to address larger cultural issues.  And I think the actual game does this quite well.

That said, I don't feel like this thread is the right place to address those issues specifically.  Totally okay with it being brought up in another context ie. its own thread or in group discussion.

Especially not over and over and over and over and - you get the idea - again.
Anyways.. moving on.

Modifié par Ottemis, 04 août 2011 - 06:47 .

[ELE08]

And now something ridiculous:

[ADLegend21]

ELE08 wrote...

And now something ridiculous:

tonight at 11, is Commander Shepard romping it up with rachni possesed Asari?

[ELE08]

ADLegend21 wrote...

ELE08 wrote...

And now something ridiculous:

snip

tonight at 11, is Commander Shepard romping it up with rachni possesed Asari?

Implications unpleasant.

Commander Shepard, word has it the woman behind the defeat of the Reapers is actually a closet necrophiliac...

[NM7]

Seriously, enough with the complaining about the way Bioware chose to pick THEIR default Jane. It's done now, and trying to convice others that your point of view is more valid than someone elses is a pointless waste of time. Whether femshep is a blonde, redhead, hispanic, aisian, short, tall, etc it doesn't matter. They're all just as valid as  each other. If you want to get on a soapbox and preech about western culture and it's attitude towards beauty and all that stuff, then go do it else where. This isn't the place for it.

Now, someone post some awesome pics of FemShep.

Modifié par Akari Tenshi, 04 août 2011 - 06:56 .