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[AtlasMickey]

@Flies_by_Handles, what an awesome picture!

I'm starting to feel the crisp Autumn air. That means it's time I mess around with colors again.

Modifié par AtlasMickey, 14 août 2011 - 04:23 .

[floccinaucinihilipilification]

Allow me to chip in a little in the femshep-marketing discussion.

They seriously left me baffled with their new direction. At first I thought it was a very clever move. Basically they have presented 6 options from which they could safely predict the winning one. As we all know, number 5 won miles ahead of the others. I'm not up to date on what portion of her voters had the addition that they wanted auburn hair, different eye colour, but I presume the majority was happy with her as she looks. So, it shouldn't have a big impact. Also, it's probably not a popular viewpoint, but I see the equality/beauty/stereotype and so on complaints as simple overreactive BS. And I don't mean British Standards.

Despite the unambiguous results, the marketing team are about to completely revise their decisions. This could be due to a number of reasons. It could mean, that they still don't have a crystal clear formulation on what the new default femshep will look like. Or, they get inconsistent directions from up above, ergo they have no concept whatsoever.

Another explanation, that I'm suspecting to be true, is that they are playing some sort of game with us poor folks. Feeding a bit of misinformation here, upsetting inflexible fans there. It works in the sense that people are constantly engaged in debates, keeping the topic hot. I almost never type more than a couple of lines, and now look at this... can't dispel their magic.

Well, I just threw my point of view out there. Please note that I'm quite neutral about the new female hero's design, as I will carry on with my ladies who have been through ME1 and ME2. However I find the phenomenon interesting, both from a business and a psychological aspect.

*edit* fixed grammar

Modifié par floccinaucinihilipilification, 14 août 2011 - 05:47 .

[100k]

@ the above (who's name I can't pronounce)

Bioware needs to do one of two things:

a) Tell us that the femShep contest is a marketing play to attract a new female audience. If this is true, then they shouldn't bother giving us another poll, and should just start marketing her already.

-or-

Tell us that the femShep contest was intended as a fan service for fans of female Shepard. If this is true, they can justify continuing the polls -- but they should be warned that it means that we probably won't see a [new] femShep until November.

They simply can't have it both ways.

If it was a fan service to begin with (which I didn't realize a while back), then it isn't fair to the femShep fans that their choices were drowned out by a large number of casual, semi interested, mostly male gamers.

If it is a marketing play, then they should just give us a new goddamn trailer. I'm sick of seeing the Sur Kesh demo, hearing the same old stupid questions being asked (seriously people -- just use google), and hearing the same thing in interviews being repeated. I want some new footage damn it! I think we all want some new footage.

Modifié par 100k, 14 août 2011 - 05:50 .

[Ottemis]

100k wrote...
Tell us that the femShep contest was intended as a fan service for fans of female Shepard. If this is true, they can justify continuing the polls -- but they should be warned that it means that we probably won't see a [new] femShep until November.

We're the ones that are most easily pleased, we wanted attention for femshep, most don't even care how she ends up looking. Second poll? Feck no.

[AtlasMickey]

[i]If it was a fan service to begin with (which I didn't realize a while back), then it isn't fair to the femShep fans that their choices were drowned out by a large number of casual, semi interested, mostly male gamers.

This is the first time I've ever thought of fan service as fair or unfair. I'm sure this hasn't escaped everyone, but the term "fan service" originates from Japan and usually referred to a brief look at a lead female character's underwear. Fan service is generally unfair all the way around.

Mass Effect marketing helped keep me away from the series for a long time because it looked dull. After discovering the thrill of custom femshep, I'm a huge fan of the game, but still plan on not paying any attention to the marketing. I studied marketing in college until I realized how boring it was. I couldn't care less how some suit chooses to promote one of the characters in the game. They've already got me anyways.

So I don't understand why anyone is upset. But I can speculate...

You were looking for legitimacy for femshep in the public awareness and feel that the voting process actually deligitimized it– worse, adding a sort of false legitimacy (i.e. "the voters have spoken"). If so, then I can see how you would be upset, because the whole premise is wrong. There was never any need to look for legitimacy for femshep in the first place, because she always was legitimate. In every way. 

[Captain Crash]

Fell in Love with this image of Jane by Celeng so made a wallpaper out of it :happy:

http://celeng.devian...epard-247318355

<3

Modifié par Captain Crash, 14 août 2011 - 08:35 .

[AtlasMickey]

She looks so clean and indoors-y for being around so much smoke.

Although it is strangely compelling. I wonder what she's looking at.

[100k]

Ottemis wrote...
We're the ones that are most easily pleased, we wanted attention for femshep, most don't even care how she ends up looking. Second poll? Feck no.

We represent about one tenth of the femShep fan population. I'm not disagreeing with you -- I want to avoid another poll, especially if that means we have to wait another six weeks for a trailer -- but we're certainly not a majority. And there has been a fair bit of whining from femShep fans on this forum, so we're not quite as united as you might think.

[100k]

AtlasMickey wrote...

[i]If it was a fan service to begin with (which I didn't realize a while back), then it isn't fair to the femShep fans that their choices were drowned out by a large number of casual, semi interested, mostly male gamers.

This is the first time I've ever thought of fan service as fair or unfair. I'm sure this hasn't escaped everyone, but the term "fan service" originates from Japan and usually referred to a brief look at a lead female character's underwear. Fan service is generally unfair all the way around.

Well then, I guess it either means something different here in the West -- or we should change the term to something like fan appreciation.

Mass Effect marketing helped keep me away from the series for a long time because it looked dull. After discovering the thrill of custom femshep, I'm a huge fan of the game, but still plan on not paying any attention to the marketing. I studied marketing in college until I realized how boring it was. I couldn't care less how some suit chooses to promote one of the characters in the game. They've already got me anyways.

So I don't understand why anyone is upset. But I can speculate...

You were looking for legitimacy for femshep in the public awareness and feel that the voting process actually deligitimized it– worse, adding a sort of false legitimacy (i.e. "the voters have spoken"). If so, then I can see how you would be upset, because the whole premise is wrong. There was never any need to look for legitimacy for femshep in the first place, because she always was legitimate. In every way. 

Yeah, well, not everyone is as logical as you are, I'm afraid.
:)

[KyreneZA]

*head in sand about second poll, etc.*

Not that I don't have an opinion, I just got soundly clobbered last time I voiced it about Jane 2.0.
***
Moving on...

Jane is now a reborn Cerberus chick. She grew her hair and decided that her old N7 Onyx armour was just too boring. Sometimes the saviour of the galaxy just has to ask, "If I'm the most dangerous thing wherever I'm at, shouldn't I advertise it?"

[floccinaucinihilipilification]

AtlasMickey wrote among other things...

So I don't understand why anyone is upset. But I can speculate...

You were looking for legitimacy for femshep in the public awareness and feel that the voting process actually deligitimized it– worse, adding a sort of false legitimacy (i.e. "the voters have spoken"). If so, then I can see how you would be upset, because the whole premise is wrong. There was never any need to look for legitimacy for femshep in the first place, because she always was legitimate. In every way. 

Excellent, observant analysis. She wasn't introduced with fanfare (hehe, FAN-FAIR) in the first 2 games, yet players have discovered the hidden gem. Maybe all this direct exposure will have more negative influence and won't quite reach the goal that keen supporters have in mind? It would be sad, though whatever we do, we can't change the way the Earth rotates.

Anyway, I'll listen to her:

[sagefic]

ADLegend21 wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Good article on the femShep Facebook Vote from Joystick. 

Mass Effect 3's Beauty Contest

Interview w/ D. Silverman hints at a second round of voting for hair, eye color, etc. 

OMG KALLEN!!!!!! *blush*

guess i missed a few pages in there. hmm... another poll? interesting. i gotta say:

1) i do appreciate that femshep is getting all this attention, even if some of it is crazy or negative. at least she's acknowledged and BW is taking fan input. that's cool, and what a lot of us were aiming for.

2) i still don't care much about which shep gets picked for the new poster girl. i still think of femshep as all the sheps on this thread, and for me, she's kyrie. i guess i only care if newshep has a hairstyle i'd like to borrow for my custom shep.

3) it is hilarious to me that in all these articles about femshep, they keep using images of femsheps from this thread. kallen, holly, zody, marge.... it's a tribute to how well designed those sheps are, and how many good-lookin' screenies you've posted. 

and 4)

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

  I got a little carried away with an image of some neat looking angel wings so in tribute to all the paragon players out there:

 

 Pardon my silliness. 

i'm digging this. paragons FTW!
or paragrades. i think kyrie has too much red on that one bar to count as a paragon anymore...

ya know, there were 2 things i wanted from the BW store: the baby-doll paragon T-shirt OR the long-sleeved N7 thermal hoodie. both are out of stock. sadness. i'm gonna have to make my own shirt out of this pic from akari and then i'll have people giving me weird looks.



i think i'll pair it with my ballet flats with little bows on them. 

Modifié par sagequeen, 14 août 2011 - 09:14 .

[Ottemis]

100k wrote...

Ottemis wrote...
We're the ones that are most easily pleased, we wanted attention for femshep, most don't even care how she ends up looking. Second poll? Feck no.

We represent about one tenth of the femShep fan population. I'm not disagreeing with you -- I want to avoid another poll, especially if that means we have to wait another six weeks for a trailer -- but we're certainly not a majority. And there has been a fair bit of whining from femShep fans on this forum, so we're not quite as united as you might think.

I don't feel like tripping over my tongue everytime i say something, i reckon after the long posts i made on the subject multiple times people don't need to guess in regards to my meaning and sentiment on the matter anymore anyways.
And sorry for being so short-spoken, just it's all been said hasn't it =)

[Captain Crash]

Ok thats a cool new avatar image for you elektrego!! :happy:  

elektrego wrote...

[100k]

Ottemis wrote...

100k wrote...

Ottemis wrote...
We're the ones that are most easily pleased, we wanted attention for femshep, most don't even care how she ends up looking. Second poll? Feck no.

We represent about one tenth of the femShep fan population. I'm not disagreeing with you -- I want to avoid another poll, especially if that means we have to wait another six weeks for a trailer -- but we're certainly not a majority. And there has been a fair bit of whining from femShep fans on this forum, so we're not quite as united as you might think.

I don't feel like tripping over my tongue everytime i say something, i reckon after the long posts i made on the subject multiple times people don't need to guess in regards to my meaning and sentiment on the matter anymore anyways.
And sorry for being so short-spoken, just it's all been said hasn't it =)

I guess so.

*using Google Chrome for the first time*

[thompsmt]

Oh, well, time to put up a FemShep picture.

I am playing through Mass Effect right now, and the scene in front of the lockers just gets me as showing how Shepard takes having her keys taken away.

[Vertigo_1]

In regards to FemShep...

twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/102842103238901760
"But is the vote reeeaaallllly over?!?!?!? This is BioWare - there is always more to the story. ;)"

twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/102843942806102017
@masseffect Never doubted #BioWare for a second--should we consider the hint a #GamesCom exclusive ;-)--tell us more!

"Yes, consider it a Gamescom exclusive. That is all we can say for now. Tune in to @biowarepulse this week for more info."

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 15 août 2011 - 12:45 .

[100k]

Yeah, I saw this a few minutes ago, and am already massaging my temples to sooth the headache I have.

So we're likely not getting a new demo to see.

We're likely not getting any new character reveals quite yet (they are still recording people).

We're likely not getting the new femShep trailer that was promised.

[sagefic]

100k wrote...

We're likely not getting the new femShep trailer that was promised.

I dunno about that. I imagine a delay is possible, though.

But with all this hype around the voting, it just makes good marketing sense to do the trailer. I mean, not to sound cynical, but I imagine marketing and getting attention is driving much of these decisions.

[100k]

sagequeen wrote...

100k wrote...

We're likely not getting the new femShep trailer that was promised.

I dunno about that. I imagine a delay is possible, though.

But with all this hype around the voting, it just makes good marketing sense to do the trailer. I mean, not to sound cynical, but I imagine marketing and getting attention is driving much of these decisions.

To clarify, I simply meant the summer trailer we were promised. 

[nranola]

@Flies- Beautiful manips! Is Indra a colonial, by any chance?


All I have left to say about femShep voting: If they don't go for extended voting, great. If they do, better. I'll be happy whatever BioWare decides.

[sagefic]

100k wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

100k wrote...

We're likely not getting the new femShep trailer that was promised.

I dunno about that. I imagine a delay is possible, though.

But with all this hype around the voting, it just makes good marketing sense to do the trailer. I mean, not to sound cynical, but I imagine marketing and getting attention is driving much of these decisions.

To clarify, I simply meant the summer trailer we were promised. 

ah, gotcha. i guess a delay in the trailer to go with a delay in the release? i can stand it if the finished product is good, i guess. 

^ this rocks. i love the wispys around the face. seriously, i would like the hairstyles so much better if there was more in the way of bangs.