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[Gilsa]

Oooh, thresher maw pics!! This was one of my favorite fights because it struck from below and overturned the Mako, not quite enough for a game-over, but all the red lights were blinking. It was cute the way the team stood around looking at each other afterwards. (Insert cheeky "women drivers" joke. )

[CrazyRah]

This post would look horrible if i did what i planned to do.. quote alot of awesome posts above.

I totally agree with Ottemis and Red and Crash and adneate they say exactly what i think and they do it much better then i would do myself.

Have a FEMshep

[Sialater]

leggywillow wrote...

Perhaps you could contact one of the regulars in the ManShep fan thread about approaching the moderators and making separate ManShep and FemShep threads simultaneously?  They might be more open to reconsidering their position that way.

ETA:
That said, as someone who has always been on the fringes of this thread and never really gotten a lot of replies here, I am not in favor of transplanting this thread to the ME3 boards as-is.  Yes, communities on the Internet often have to be tight-knit in order to remain friendly, but this thread has a reputation for being very clique-ish.  Infrequent posters are often ignored.  It seems more like chatting among friends and stroking each other's egos over certain favorite Shepards rather than welcoming new faces.

There's nothing wrong with what you guys have here, but you do already have it... well, here, and (I think) on Femshep.com.  Yes, ME3 spoilers don't belong on an ME2 board, but it seems to be this community vibe you guys want to transplant over there.

I've heard that insularity accusation before.  And it's not entirely unfounded.  Some do get ignored. 

I think that we might want to consider at least attempting to support SAK for a little while.

[Ottemis]

Well, I'm relatively new, it takes a while for people to get to know you, but once that barrier's breached, it's all good really.
You wanna be apart of this you can be, just stick to it.
I reckon voicechat helped a bit for me too, i can come across as quite harsch and unsubtle (as you might have noticed), it helps when people get what you're about. They start to recognize you in your remarks and know your intention =)

Modifié par Ottemis, 22 août 2011 - 04:11 .

[Sialater]

Yes, I know. But not everyone can.

ETA:  Sorry, if I stepped on toes.   After all, I'm guilty of not responding to newcomers, too.

Modifié par Sialater, 22 août 2011 - 04:16 .

[Tup3x]

Ottemis wrote...

Well, I'm relatively new, it takes a while for people to get to know you, but once that barrier's breached, it's all good really.
You wanna be apart of this you can be, just stick to it.
I reckon voicechat helped a bit for me too, i can come across as quite harsch and unsubtle (as you might have noticed), it helps when people get what you're about. They start to recognize you in your remarks and know your intention =)

Hah! I've noticed that.

To be honest, which I always am, I have to be a lot careful here (especially on some other parts of this forum) that what I would be in certain Finnish forums. Sometimes I observe and stay quiet and get to know how people react so that I can tone down my post to avoid issues.

Modifié par Tup3xi, 22 août 2011 - 04:20 .

[Ottemis]

Very perceptive Tup =P haha

[leggywillow]

Sialater wrote...
I've heard that insularity accusation before.  And it's not entirely unfounded.  Some do get ignored. 

I think that we might want to consider at least attempting to support SAK for a little while.

I think this would be a good idea.  It wouldn't be this thread transplanted over there, and it wouldn't necessarily be all FemShep.  But if enough sensible people support it, it may be able to to turn into a good thread with its own unique flavor.

[Captain Crash]

So were essentially so comfortable with what we have here were resistant to change or seeing something else alter our perception or perspective?


Im not convinced. Still you do make a good point leggy. However theres no getting around the atmosphere in the other thread. Even though no one admits it you can see it almost every post. If there been two posts with only maleshep or vice versa, someone forces the opposite gender on the thread. Its a hostile atmosphere just brewing.

But your right there no harm in seeing what happens for a while. After all it will be mainly us folk already here that move over to it. Which is what we already have here.

Modifié par Captain Crash, 22 août 2011 - 04:29 .

[Ottemis]

leggywillow wrote...

Sialater wrote...
I've heard that insularity accusation before. And it's not entirely unfounded. Some do get ignored.

I think that we might want to consider at least attempting to support SAK for a little while.

I think this would be a good idea. It wouldn't be this thread transplanted over there, and it wouldn't necessarily be all FemShep. But if enough sensible people support it, it may be able to to turn into a good thread with its own unique flavor.

I don't mind trying, even though some of us have tried before and burned our fingers.
It's not like we're so much against the idea of the thread as we are against the result of it running, the atmosphere, the remarks made etc. It's just...yeah. It's been said on the previous page.
Anyways I'll go have a look-see again from time to time.

Modifié par Ottemis, 22 août 2011 - 04:30 .

[Gilsa]

Sialater wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

Perhaps you could contact one of the regulars in the ManShep fan thread about approaching the moderators and making separate ManShep and FemShep threads simultaneously?  They might be more open to reconsidering their position that way.

ETA:
That said, as someone who has always been on the fringes of this thread and never really gotten a lot of replies here, I am not in favor of transplanting this thread to the ME3 boards as-is.  Yes, communities on the Internet often have to be tight-knit in order to remain friendly, but this thread has a reputation for being very clique-ish.  Infrequent posters are often ignored.  It seems more like chatting among friends and stroking each other's egos over certain favorite Shepards rather than welcoming new faces.

There's nothing wrong with what you guys have here, but you do already have it... well, here, and (I think) on Femshep.com.  Yes, ME3 spoilers don't belong on an ME2 board, but it seems to be this community vibe you guys want to transplant over there.

I've heard that insularity accusation before.  And it's not entirely unfounded.  Some do get ignored. 

I think that we might want to consider at least attempting to support SAK for a little while.

I've seen that echoed before, too. I'm not a regular poster here (I'm just here because I'm into all the ME3 news that's been out lately and I get easily distracted by shiny things and can be all over a different thread next week =p), but the real reason why I keep coming back to this thread is the sheer amount of creativity people share with their Shepard and flycam tips. The original Alistair thread was the same way. Even though they were united in their adoration of Alistair, the community thrived with screenshots and mods. People shared tips in how to use the toolset to further customize their wardens. In a way, it was the equivalent of playing Barbie dolls online. I loved that. And I see that shared here. I love seeing the artistic wallpapers of Shepard being shared here. I don't worry so much about people remembering who I am or responding to my posts, but I have seen these type of comments from time to time.

I went over to SAK's thread and have gone through the first 15 pages and am exhausted by the in-fighting, but it's probably gotten better since it's up to nearly 50 pages. I will catch up as time allows, I'm hoping that people are comfortable sharing their fandom rather than feel like they have to defend why their Shepard looks the way it does.

[Sialater]

It has gotten better. That I can say.

[Quething]

TheMarshal wrote...

So here's your question: What background/war record is your Shep, and how do you feel it affects the way she approaches the world?

Well, I'm even later to the party than Kyrene, but:

"Home's not a place, Chief, it's a dark, cramped metal wardroom with red-shifting stars outside and a crew in Alliance blue.

Jakarta's a Spacer/War Hero. She grew up completely immersed in Alliance military culture, and bought the whole Alliance ideal hook, line and sinker; she wanted to be out there saving lives and meeting aliens and making the galaxy a better place through teamwork and intelligently applied violence. The morning of her eighteenth birthday she was already knocking on the door of the nearest recruitment center. The Alliance mentality did also come with a lot of pro-human patriotism, but for Jakarta it's balanced by the cultural exposure she's gotten due to a nomadic life. She's spent a lot of time in alien ports and very little on any one world, so for her Earth is just another place and aliens are just a bunch of people.

The Blitz only cemented things further - here's this moment for the Alliance where the good guys undeniably, overwhelmingly won, and she was a key part of it. Not only did it feel great and guarantee she'd never stop wanting to protect people, it also reinforced her idealistic streak and her confidence that people in general and she in particular can win against impossible odds. This makes her inclined to do things like release the rachni queen into the wild; in a morality vs risk assessment, she never figures the risk for nearly as high as most people would.

As for the ongoing discussion: yeah, I've experienced the insularity, as an infrequent poster here. But it doesn't really bother me. People don't know my Shep on sight, sure, but folks still respond to my questions, and I still get comments on my screenshots. The thread could be more welcoming, but it's never felt hostile, which IMO the ME3 Shepthread has.

Modifié par Quething, 22 août 2011 - 04:41 .

[jwalker]

Captain Crash wrote...

So were essentially so comfortable with what we have here were resistant to change or seeing something else alter our perception or perspective?


Im not convinced. Still you do make a good point leggy. However theres no getting around the atmosphere in the other thread. Even though no one admits it you can see it almost every post. If there been two posts with only maleshep or vice versa, someone forces the opposite gender on the thread. Its a hostile atmosphere just brewing.

But your right there no harm in seeing what happens for a while. After all it will be mainly us folk already here that move over to it. Which is what we already have here.

I still don't see the point of that thread.

It's clear to me that these two crowds don't make a good mix. I read like 3 pages long ago and decided not to go back there. Ever.

If you post/read/participate in some thread or forum, it's to have a good time, to have some fun. Just going there to endure someone else's a-holishness behind the excuse "hey, this is the internet" well, not worth it.

And what's wrong with 2 separate threads ? It has worked pretty good so far.

edit: grammar

Modifié par jwalker, 22 août 2011 - 05:44 .

[Silver]

jwalker wrote...
And what's wrong with 2 separates threads ? It has worked pretty good so far.

And it has kept the two crowds separate, which is exactly what should be done for ME3...

[jwalker]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

Ah. I wasn't aware that there was controversy over having separate Shepard threads. =/

Stanely Woo has made it clear that there is to only be one Shepard thread in the ME3 section.  After the "Commander Shepard" thread started up, some guys made a manShep thread and it was shut down.  Ryn and I asked if we could make a femShep thread in the ME3 section.  He said no. 

I suppose we could take that thread over, but we would have to step a little more lightly and ignore any insults, personal or otherwise. 

Crap. Didn't know the idea came from "above"

The combined ME3 romance thread with the s/s crowd and the anti-s/s crowd was a success. Oh, wait...

Damn, man. Do they really like seeing their fans tearing each other apart that much ? jeez...

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JamieCOTC wrote...
EDIT: Alternately, I could create a femShep.com phbb forum, but it would not be part of BSN.

If things go down the sewer, probably we migh start participating more in FemShep Group

[100k]

jwalker wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...

So were essentially so comfortable with what we have here were resistant to change or seeing something else alter our perception or perspective?


Im not convinced. Still you do make a good point leggy. However theres no getting around the atmosphere in the other thread. Even though no one admits it you can see it almost every post. If there been two posts with only maleshep or vice versa, someone forces the opposite gender on the thread. Its a hostile atmosphere just brewing.

But your right there no harm in seeing what happens for a while. After all it will be mainly us folk already here that move over to it. Which is what we already have here.

I still no see the point of that thread.

It's clear to me that these two crowds won't make a good mix. I've read like 3 pages a long ago and decided not to come back there. Ever.

If you post/read/participate in some thread or forum, is to have a good time, to have some fun. Just going there to endure someone else's a-holishness behind the excuse "hey, this is the internet" well, not worth it.

And what's wrong with 2 separates threads ? It has worked pretty good so far.

I think that the important thing to maintain is that the Commander Shepard thread's unifying magnet is, and will always be, Shepard. Nearly everyone in that thread recognizes that fact -- even the trolls. I've been there, and I've been made fun of a few times -- but I never let that stop me from promoting femShep or mShep. 

And I, who lurk there daily, can occasionally see trolling going on -- but more than ever, I see that becoming a rarity. If one person trolls another for maybe three posts every three pages, that is a hell of a lot better than most threads on this forum. Most of the time in that thread (from what I see) people cooperate! Sure, there is more trolling there than in this thread -- and certainly than in the mShep thread -- but no where near enough to villiainize gender mixing, or even blame it wholely on the concept of gender mixing. 

When I first came to this thread, I definitely found myself feeling that I intruded upon a tightly knit unit of women (and men) who weren't comfortable with my new presence. On the first page, there is an excellent, but slightly intimidating picture of a handful of member's femSheps -- akin to a family portrait hanging on the wall.

One week, I decided to skim over every page in this thread to see the femSheps. I noticed that it really was a fairly tight knit group. Yes, there are new posters every day, but most of the posts in this thread are from the same 15 people. Within that week, I could recognize almost every femShep posted. I had not to courage to say it before, but it definitely was, and is, a clique. I tried to join it, but realized that that really isn't helping the forum or myself -- so I just post and try to be friendly to everyone here. If I bring up something controversial like gender equality, I always try to do it in favor of diversity, acceptence, and non-linear thinking.

There's nothing wrong with the idea that you guys have a sense of community, certainly! I get the idea that the rarity of female gamers/characters on forums allowed this thread to thrive beyond all comparison. You guys formed your own community within a community, and really worked at maintaining it.

But look at the mShep thread. There is almost no trolling there, there are always new posters, but there is nearly no creative agenda beyond posting a CC Shep. As such, that thread has stagnated. A few of us keep trying to revive it, but there really isn't any hope for it to increase dramatically. And in the short time that the ME3 Shepard thread has been active, it has already nearly overtaken the mShep thread. Why? Because its' more diverse, partially -- and because its newer. 

Your Shepards, your creativity, your energy, your charisma, all of it would be welcomed with open arms into the Commander Shepard thread! You might actually help promote people to be more creative with their mSheps! If some @sshole makes fun of your Shepard, don't worry about it! There will always be someone on this forum to build you up, rather than tear you down. I guess I can only speak for myself -- but I'll do that if I have to. 

This reminded me of the first femShep contest on FB. Some ****** said something like "Who the fvck cares about femShep? She can use the omni blade to cut my sandwhich". Don't let people like this steer you away from -- lets call it a fesitval supporting -- not Sheploo, not RedShep, not femShep, not mShep, but all of them together. 

[nranola]

Gilsa wrote...

I've seen that echoed before, too. I'm not a regular poster here (I'm just here because I'm into all the ME3 news that's been out lately and I get easily distracted by shiny things and can be all over a different thread next week =p), but the real reason why I keep coming back to this thread is the sheer amount of creativity people share with their Shepard and flycam tips. The original Alistair thread was the same way. Even though they were united in their adoration of Alistair, the community thrived with screenshots and mods. People shared tips in how to use the toolset to further customize their wardens. In a way, it was the equivalent of playing Barbie dolls online. I loved that. And I see that shared here. I love seeing the artistic wallpapers of Shepard being shared here. I don't worry so much about people remembering who I am or responding to my posts, but I have seen these type of comments from time to time.

Alistair squee! <3 Those were the days... I still haven't found a thread that amounts to the level of support, positivity, and pure good fun as that one. I only wish I'd been more active after the first thread closed down.

But before I stray completely off-topic, I agree. The sharing, the creativity, and the genuine love for FemShep is what keeps me on as well. It's very inspiring to see what everyone cooks up in here.

[Tup3x]

Ottemis wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

Sialater wrote...
I've heard that insularity accusation before. And it's not entirely unfounded. Some do get ignored.

I think that we might want to consider at least attempting to support SAK for a little while.

I think this would be a good idea. It wouldn't be this thread transplanted over there, and it wouldn't necessarily be all FemShep. But if enough sensible people support it, it may be able to to turn into a good thread with its own unique flavor.

I don't mind trying, even though some of us have tried before and burned our fingers.
It's not like we're so much against the idea of the thread as we are against the result of it running, the atmosphere, the remarks made etc. It's just...yeah. It's been said on the previous page.
Anyways I'll go have a look-see again from time to time.

If the new thread would end up in massive, constant flame war, they would have to shut it down and split it. That's probably the worst scenario. However, it might end up well too. We could try, see how it goes and if the worst comes to pass, well, let's start bombing mod with "I told you so" PM's.

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Ha! Apparently air-raid alarms started screaming because of the thunderstorm.

Modifié par Tup3xi, 22 août 2011 - 06:23 .

[NM7]

I haven't visited the Shepard fan thread in the ME3 section since around the time it started. I saw quite a few nasty posts about people's Shepard's (FemSheps to be precise) and after reading a few pages I haven't been back since. Things may have improved, but I have no desire to wade back in to what I would say is a disater waiting to happen.

In a perfect world both Male and Female Shepard fans should be able to share a thread, but this is the internet and people will always act a certain way and say things online that they wouldn't in real life. I don't agree with this point that if you post a picture of your Shepard it gives people free reign to say whavever the hell they like about them. I saw posts in the combined thread poking fun at someone's Shepard and they weren't even posting. You wouldn't walk up to someone who was dressed in an odd fashion in real life and tell them they look like an idiot, so why is it acceptable to do so over the internet? There's a place for constructive criticism, but what I saw wasn't of that kind and was just a bunch of people insulting someone elses creation. Again things may have improved but I have no desire to go back and see if they have.

The other problem for me with a combined thread is that you have two groups being forced to hang about in the same place. I don't think everyone being a fan of Shepard is enough. They're two different groups and while they share a common interest, both sides will see certain things differently. To use a baseball analogy: If you forced a group an Yankee's fans and Metz fans to share a space, how long would it take before the two sides started having a dig at one another? Again in a perfect world it should be fine but people have proven time and time again that once you pick a side there will always be trouble with, at some point, the people who sit on the other side of the fence.

The final thing I wanted to say was about this place not being welcoming to newcomers. I can't say I agree, but then maybe I'm one of the regulars sat at the bar to use someone else's Cheers reference? If the same bunch of people post screenshots, videos, fanfic, etc about their Shepard then it stands to reason people will begin to recognise the face and the name attached to it. I don't know how many people know the name of my Shepard or if they would recognise her, but at the end of the day, I don't care. I come here because this thread has a nice atmosphere and there are some truely talented and awesome people that post here. If it was such a terrible unfriendly place that shunned outsiders then I would have left a long time a go. Yes there are times when posts, comments, questions get swept to one side, but that's just the nature of things. It's nothing personal and there's nothing wrong with reposting a question if it happens.


Do you know this woman's name? If yes, that's cool, if not then that's cool too.

[f1r3storm]

So... David Silverman now got one of these, too.






And some random screens just cause..

[Ottemis]

To address the clique thing again directly, when I first came in contact with this thread I had the same feeling, but I checked the opening post of this thread and it gives you links to the femshep website (which has an active live chat which always has 5-15 people chatting in it at any given moment), a BSN group and much more. It shows that the people on here didn't just bond over the BSN, but communicate with each other in a diverse number of ways, as such it's logical they became as tight-knit.
These forums being such a cesspool of negativity does make one wary of newcomers, I know I am. I can understand why a thread like this one would be as well.
So I registered on femshep.com and had a look there, had a chat with people there, and when you utilize the mediums and have more interaction with people integration and acceptance isn't an issue at all.

If that's not the kind of thing you're looking for that's fair enough ofc, but that's how this is to me, it's not just a group of people with shared interests talking about them solely on the thread.
It's a group of people that reach out to each other on several mediums and the relationship between them goes further and deeper then that. That is what you are seeing. If it's something you want, then expand and find us in other places too to get to know us =)

[Chignon]

I love your screenshots, Firestorm. There're always high-quality.

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I've started playing my second FemShep, Claire. She's an Infiltrator/Spacer/Ruthless.

[Tup3x]

Ottemis wrote...

To address the clique thing again directly, when I first came in contact with this thread I had the same feeling, but I checked the opening post of this thread and it gives you links to the femshep website (which has an active live chat which always has 5-15 people chatting in it at any given moment), a BSN group and much more. It shows that the people on here didn't just bond over the BSN, but communicate with each other in a diverse number of ways, as such it's logical they became as tight-knit.
These forums being such a cesspool of negativity does make one wary of newcomers, I know I am. I can understand why a thread like this one would be as well.
So I registered on femshep.com and had a look there, had a chat with people there, and when you utilize the mediums and have more interaction with people integration and acceptance isn't an issue at all.

If that's not the kind of thing you're looking for that's fair enough ofc, but that's how this is to me, it's not just a group of people with shared interests talking about them solely on the thread.
It's a group of people that reach out to each other on several mediums and the relationship between them goes further and deeper then that. That is what you are seeing. If it's something you want, then expand and find us in other places too to get to know us =)

That pretty much sums it up nicely. I don't have much to add.

[Ottemis]

Chignon wrote...

I love your screenshots, Firestorm. There're always high-quality.

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I've started playing my second FemShep, Claire. She's an Infiltrator/Spacer/Ruthless.

Ohh I like the blonde variation =o