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[Tup3x]

Kyrene wrote...

Phew! *wipes sweat from forehead (some say unibrow)* Finally caught up...

This should be the last of today's post bombing. I apologise, but I try to respond to each person in a seperate post. Makes using the "quote button" easier to reply to me in turn.

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Compared to what Jane looked like at that point, I don't see a lot of renegade scars on the Shepards in this thread. Are they all a bunch of vain women who always take Chakwas up on the 'corrective surgery' option? Or are they all paragons of (lost) virtue?

Well, Tiia is not a vain woman but when there's an option to make healing faster, she takes it. And besides, those scars would disappear in no tame anyway.

[Chignon]

Kyrene wrote...

Compared to what Jane looked like at that point, I don't see a lot of renegade scars on the Shepards in this thread. Are they all a bunch of vain women who always take Chakwas up on the 'corrective surgery' option? Or are they all paragons of (lost) virtue?

No. I just think the Renegade scars are a ridiculous concept.

[Sialater]

Meghan's the most renegade of mine, but even hers disappear by the time the Derelict Reaper rolls around.

Rachel's and Avery's don't last long at all.

I never invest in that machine, too expensive and if Garrus can't use it, too, I don't see the point.

Modifié par Sialater, 23 août 2011 - 03:22 .

[leggywillow]

Kyrene wrote...
Compared to what Jane looked like at that point, I don't see a lot of renegade scars on the Shepards in this thread. Are they all a bunch of vain women who always take Chakwas up on the 'corrective surgery' option? Or are they all paragons of (lost) virtue?

I always heal the scars, but it's mostly because the concept annoys me.  I've always hated the game mechanic of morality affecting appearance.  It seems pretty childish.  Bad guys don't get glowing red eyes and devil horns ala Fable for thinking negative thoughts and doing "bad" things.

In my head-canon, all Shepards still have some permanent facial scars from the project, but more like the scars once you're slightly tipped to Paragon and they don't glow anymore (and actually look like scars).



You can sort of see here how I'd ideally like the scars to stay for all Sheps (perhaps a little darker than this).  Delta kept her scars the longest of all my Paragons.  I think it's because they contrast more against the paler skin tones.

[Aeowyn]

Chignon wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Compared to what Jane looked like at that point, I don't see a lot of renegade scars on the Shepards in this thread. Are they all a bunch of vain women who always take Chakwas up on the 'corrective surgery' option? Or are they all paragons of (lost) virtue?

No. I just think the Renegade scars are a ridiculous concept.

This. I remove the scars for my renegon canon Shepard with Gibbeds and pretend the concept doesn't exist in the game.

Modifié par Aeowyn, 23 août 2011 - 03:25 .

[CrazyRah]

My Shep think everyone here deserves a hug for being awesome <3

Modifié par CommanderSarah, 23 août 2011 - 03:30 .

[jwalker]

Kyrene wrote...

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Compared to what Jane looked like at that point, I don't see a lot of renegade scars on the Shepards in this thread. Are they all a bunch of vain women who always take Chakwas up on the 'corrective surgery' option? Or are they all paragons of (lost) virtue?

ME2 "scars" are a huge fail. A silly concept implemented with a silly mechanic that has no impact.

No offense intended, but the way I see it, not walking around with festering wounds in your face is far from being a vanity issue, but health one.

And if there's someone vain, that's me. I don't work hard on my Sheps to see their faces peeling off and rotten.
I've seen some some sheps with level 1 or 2 that can look good, but I don't want those things on my sheps.

The ME2 "scars" are gone in my games before I even pick the pistol up on Lazarus Project.

[Tup3x]

I don't like 'em as a concept either. The scar healing thingy is the first upgrade I buy.


"Renegade scars? Really?"

[nranola]

Tup3xi wrote...

It's been surprisingly peace full there lately. Going smoothly for now.

I saw. Hoping for it to be peaceful still by the time I join the fray.

Kyrene wrote...

http://home.intekom....eShepard012.jpg

Compared to what Jane looked like at that point, I don't see a lot of renegade scars on the Shepards in this thread. Are they all a bunch of vain women who always take Chakwas up on the 'corrective surgery' option? Or are they all paragons of (lost) virtue?

I like scars! In the first game particularly; still undecided on ME2.

My main Shep Jennelyn was Paragon enough to be rid of the scars on her own at some point. I'm still deciding if my alt Jennica, who's a Renegon, will keep her scars or not, or if I'll mod them to be less severe if she does keep them - she doesn't really care either way. xD

Modifié par nranola, 23 août 2011 - 03:47 .

[CrazyRah]

Same here. The concept isn't my favorite and since i got the resources i need all the time i just buy the machine and take them away


''Whaaat! Scars? You kidding me?

[Gilsa]

I like the scars at the start of the game, but I think the red glowing eyes are overkill for my character. Feels too mechanical/soulless. I tend to get the machine upgrade just because it's there. No skin off my back to scan a few more planets -- I'm a completionist and will have mineral scanning sessions every now and then when I'm not in a battle/screenshot mood. =p

[scampermax]

Kyrene wrote...
Compared to what Jane looked like at that point, I don't see a lot of renegade scars on the Shepards in this thread. Are they all a bunch of vain women who always take Chakwas up on the 'corrective surgery' option? Or are they all paragons of (lost) virtue?

I did leave the renegade scars once just to see how bad they'd get


but now I never let them go beyond level 3


renegade femshep is intimidating enough as is. the whole face peeling off is a little overkill.

Modifié par scampermax, 23 août 2011 - 04:00 .

[jwalker]

scampermax wrote...

Kyrene wrote...
Compared to what Jane looked like at that point, I don't see a lot of renegade scars on the Shepards in this thread. Are they all a bunch of vain women who always take Chakwas up on the 'corrective surgery' option? Or are they all paragons of (lost) virtue?

I did leave the renegade scars once just to see how bad they'd get
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aww... poor Lucy... she's beautiful, how can you do that to her ?




And that's how a scar should look like



edit: changed the pic. a better one showing off ME1 scars

Modifié par jwalker, 23 août 2011 - 04:44 .

[Shenzi]

Chignon wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Compared to what Jane looked like at that point, I don't see a lot of renegade scars on the Shepards in this thread. Are they all a bunch of vain women who always take Chakwas up on the 'corrective surgery' option? Or are they all paragons of (lost) virtue?

No. I just think the Renegade scars are a ridiculous concept.

I miss Kate’s scar from ME1.


As far as the scars in ME2, the idea of there being scars from project Lazarus I can understand. After all it seems that Shepard was woken up ahead of schedule and had more healing to do. 

However I hate that the scars are red, glowing and tied in to the paragon/renegade system.  I typically use Gibbed to take care of them right after I make a new character.

[FireEye]

The concept that Happy Feelings make your facial scarring from Not Enough Time in the Oven go away (or that Bad Feelings make them get worse) is pretty asinine.  Especially since bad behavior might make your renegade feel good.  IMHO, they should have kept the old scars, because the old scars are awesome.



At least there's a cool story behind that one. 


As for the cliquish atmosphere... I've been lurking here since the beginning, and I've definitely seen some groupish behavior that could be off-putting to newcomers.  Most of it did seem to be of the "the thread is moving very quickly" variety; early on, the emphasis on how good/unique your Shepard looked, and the "Face 7 is Boring" thing could have been offputting.... let's face it, the character creator is hard and not everyone has acces to screenshot technology. 

However, I never saw intentional exclusion outside of the trolls, so I wouldn't really label it a clique myself.  Regardless, I much prefer the sunshine and bunnies and guns atmosphere here than the walking on eggshells feel in the ME3 thread.  *shrug* 

[AkodoRyu]

My Shep takes "pride" in that she managed to avoid serious face injuries x]

Modifié par AkodoRyu, 23 août 2011 - 04:47 .

[ELE08]

FireEye wrote...

As for the cliquish atmosphere... I've been lurking here since the beginning, and I've definitely seen some groupish behavior that could be off-putting to newcomers.  Most of it did seem to be of the "the thread is moving very quickly" variety; early on, the emphasis on how good/unique your Shepard looked, and the "Face 7 is Boring" thing could have been offputting.... let's face it, the character creator is hard and not everyone has acces to screenshot technology. 

However, I never saw intentional exclusion outside of the trolls, so I wouldn't really label it a clique myself.  Regardless, I much prefer the sunshine and bunnies and guns atmosphere here than the walking on eggshells feel in the ME3 thread.  *shrug* 

Yup.

I think what some view as "cliquish" behavior is simply the camaraderie and familiarity that comes with seeing the same posters regularly, as opposed to any intentional exclusion of "non-regulars". It's normal to be familiar with people you see over and over again--a lot of folks have been posting here for nearly a year.

I can see how this can be intimidating to new people, but it's not for lack of inclusiveness on the threads part. I'd say to those people, just stay persistent and continue contributing to the conversation in a positive way.
You are welcome even if you aren't responded to right away or directly. New sheps, new art, new screenshots, is what keeps the thread alive.

Everyone contributing to a positive atmosphere is more than welcome. Personal familiarity is something bred over time.



Hmmm, scars.  From a purely aesthetic standpoint, I think they can look kind of cool on some Sheps.  I am under no illusion however, that they make any logical sense.  The explaination behind them is a bit ludicrous. 

None of my Sheps keep the scarring because I don't think it looks good on them.  I do have a new renegade Shep that I'm playing through that will probably keep them.  She's a jerk.

[Captain Crash]

 Amelia never suited scars either.  They disappeared very quickly.   Mainly becasue she's little miss goody two shoes!  :happy:


http://desmond.image....png&res=medium

Modifié par Captain Crash, 23 août 2011 - 05:23 .

[ADLegend21]

Personally I love the scars. The fit all my renegades because they're initmidating people and what's more intimidating tthen being stared down by glowing Red eyes? It jsut fits with the whole Shepard is lawful evil thing behind a renegade Spectre. That and I think they look sexy on femshep.

[Ottemis]

I've never been too irked by the explanation given to why the scars evolve according to your playstyle. I know it to be possible to 'think' yourself sick and stress etc can escalate a physical condition.
Having said that, Fire has a point saying that a renegade taking actions might not leave them feeling burdened; rather good.

I reckon if your renegade bases decisions on the forethought of causing intentional harm, then yeah, I would reckon the renegade scars forming make no sense because that choice is in no way morally ambiguous to them.
If your renegade just has clear/strict convictions and makes different choices for the 'right' reasons or with 'good' intent, then their ambiguity towards the choice and the downsides of the choice would in my mind be enough of a trigger to 'evolve' scarring more.
This is assuming in the Mass Effect setting, right and wrong are not left to the imagination. As it is for us, it would be for them. Society decides what's acceptable and what isn't and it's reflected in your upbringing. Whether you had a crappy childhood or no (think earth-born) you should still be very aware of when you're doing something that's not morally acceptable.



Having said that, my Sheps never use the medbay upgrade.
Jane is a paragon so they healed quite fast.
Laire being paragade kinda floats somewhere between strength 2/3.
Raine is a renegon I would say, so she's a persistent 3. I'm not a big fan of the red eyes so I try and keep it in check somewhat actively too. Though on average it automatically turns out right.

Modifié par Ottemis, 23 août 2011 - 05:54 .

[JamieCOTC]

UJ removes her scars naturally, thank you very much.
 

Erica retains her scars up until Horizon, when she has them removed before seeing Kaidan. She has to look nice for her “date.” 


While I loved the ME1 scars, I’m not crazy about the ME2 scars mostly because no one ever comments on them.  If they are meant to be an homage to Star Wars, fine, but it’s a bit too “mystical” for the ME universe. 


April heals her scars naturally, but she takes quite a bit longer to get rid of them than UJ.  I used the middle dialogue on April as much as I could and still got enough points to paragon the Miranda/Jack and Tali/Legion fights. I still don't know how I managed to do that and doubt I could repeat it if I tried. 

As for the other, I’ll not spend too much time on others have expressed their opinions more eloquently.  I’ve been on the internet since 1996 and have been involved in fandom (in one form or another) for nearly 30 years.  In my experience, forcing two groups to come together who don’t really want to be together typically resolves in either one group becoming dominate and the other resentful or the group as a whole dying a slow stagnant death.  That said, it is a very noble goal and could work if done naturally.  As to “taking over” the Shepard thread, what I meant was that we simply move our discussions over there.  If that were to happen, the shear level of activity of the femShep fans would almost ensure that it becomes a de facto femShep thread via natural process. 


As for the cliquishness of this thread … you people scare the hell out of me.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 23 août 2011 - 05:40 .

[TheMarshal]

Kyrene wrote...

Compared to what Jane looked like at that point, I don't see a lot of renegade scars on the Shepards in this thread. Are they all a bunch of vain women who always take Chakwas up on the 'corrective surgery' option? Or are they all paragons of (lost) virtue?

I wouldn't consider Alice to be a "paragon of virtue" by any stretch of the imagination.  I like the idea that whatever technology Miranda and the Lazarus team used to resurrect her also gave her an increased capability for healing.  Hence the reason those scars go away, why her old scars aren't there anymore, and why she can't seem to form any new scars.  I thought it made for interesting RP opportunities.

I do want to make a more renegade-leaning Shepard, though I haven't decided if I would rather RP her wanting to get rid of the scars or just owning up to them.

[100k]

 [quote]jwalker wrote...The clique argument has been addressed many times here. I won't add to it.
All I can say is if there's one problem with an active thread like this the amount of people posting. Having two different groups sharing the same space will only make things worst. More chances of getting ignored in the shuffle.[/quote]

[quote]Ottemis wrote...I'm getting a bit unamused by this clique argument tbh right about now.[/quote]
[quote]Interactive Civilian wrote...
You aren't suggesting that only female gamers play femShep and that only females post in this thread, are you? Because that's kind of what it sounds like.[/quote]

[quote]meonlyred wrote...I dunno what you guys are talking about this thread being clique-ish? I'm probably one of the newest people here and I stepped in and felt at home right away. I could tell from the beginning that this community was tight but I found you guys very welcoming.[/quote]

1) Obviously not everyone feels that there is a "cliquish" aura here. It was explained (wonderfully) why there is a very tight knit community here: because some of you guys/girls often communicate together outside of this forum. Perfectly understandable. But what you have to understand is that not everyone on this forum does that -- is aware of that -- or wants to join that.

It's great that you have femshep.com for femsheps only. But when you bring that close community here to a place where there are hundreds of people who are sharing this space with you, it can come off as a little cold at first. I, and several other people from the sound of it, felt that at first. Oh -- its 100% natural for this to occur -- but that doesn't make it any easier for new forum members who aren't aware.

2) When I said "sisterhood", I also followed it with the world "clique". 

Lets take a look at it's definition...

A clique *...* also /ˈklɪk/ (U.S.)) is an inclusive group of people who share common interests, views, purposes, patterns of behavior, or ethnicity...[/quote]

I never said that it was only women. The majority of regular posters in this thread are women from what I understand (and I could be completely wrong, so forgive me if I am), but it certainly isn't set in stone. 

Modifié par 100k, 23 août 2011 - 06:05 .

[NM7]

I used to let the scars heal naturally on Hrist, but I never really liked the concept behind them so eventually I just removed them via Gibbed as soon as possible on Lazarus station. When I did let the scars heal natrually, they would always be gone by Horizon.

For my more renegade Shepard, Lenneth, I kept them for a while and they never got to the crazy stage with the glowing red eyes, and she looked quite good with the less severe scaring, but I eventually bought the upgrade to remove them.

For my other two Shepards, I used Gibbed straight away to get rid of them. They were a bit of a strange gameplay mechanic for me and they served absolutely no purpose. As someone else said, no one ever commented on that fact her face looked like it was falling off, and there was no benefit to having them other then if it's visually appealing to you, or you think they suit for Shepards personality. ME1 scars on the other hand added a nice bit of character as you could come up with a reason as to why and where Shepard got her scar.

ELE08 wrote...

None of my Sheps keep the scarring because I don't think it looks good on them.  I do have a new renegade Shep that I'm playing through that will probably keep them.  She's a jerk.

Can we see this new Shepard, or is that her in the screenshot you posted? Because she looks kinda familiar. Rhona, was it? I don't know, I can't keep up with all your dead Shepards.