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[sagefic]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

What sage said.

sage, I love you.  >gives you a geth-head desk-lamp<

zomg, I WANT. I can see Kyrie with one of these in her cabin. Legion comes by to ask a question and she's like, "Hmm? Oh yeah. Didn't I tell you I would not hesitate to slap a singularity on your cybernetic a** if you dare betray me and my team? Yeah. Try it and I'll make a matching set." (kyrie's not a fan of AI)

Cliques?

Well, I can see some places where the thread could seem that way. I've been here since page...200 or so? i felt like it took me a little while to get to know folks here, but it didn't take that long. there were other threads where i hung out for ages and yet never felt welcome (and one where i was actually told in a PM not to come back. and i haven't. bleah.)

this thread, though, is very welcoming. but I think what ELE said is true though, a lot of the 'cliquish' is familiarity.

if I could suggest a possible reason for the cliquishness:

for myself, I have all of 5 to 10 minutes, 15 tops, to look at this forum while the kids are engaged in other things and as I am swapping over a load of laundry. (Instert alternative 'I only have five minutes to check this forum because of _____________' here).  

So, for me, I read the 2 posts that happened since that last time I was here and i comment. OR I skim the 3 pages that popped up since I was last here.  and Truthfully, the posts by regulars tend to catch my eye more, because I know those folks. I'm curious what art so-and-so has been doing, or what screenies so-and-so has of his/her shep. And since they've followed my shep, that's part of it, too - i want to reciprocate interest in what they're doing, since they've been interested in my stuff.

I am always on the lookout for new sheps, though, and I try to make a comment about them. however, i usually plan to respond to like 5 posts at a time. but usually i hear the kids in the other room and they need me, so I respond to more like 2 posts - or just 1. most times i post something that's only half-coherant and spelled all wonky and then dash out.

again, when narrowing it down, i tend respond to people i know and convos that were on-going. i'm not trying to leave anyone out, but i know that when i'm in a rush, i'm not always in 'welcome' mode. not that i don't want to be, and i certainly don't want to be rude. i imagine other folks are doing similar things.

so, conclusion: i think it's less like a lunch table in highschool (ugh, god - there's a memory i can well do without).  

i think it's more like a party. if you show up a little late, sometimes people aren't right at the door to say 'hi! welcome in!'. but i DO think if you come on in, you'll find the people at the Femshep Party are really nice, and happy to find you an extra chair.

and if you show off a pic or two of your shep, and they're likely to get you a drink to boot.



edit: top shep. Cheers.

(aaaand i spent, too long with this post and the toddler is shoving finger puppets into the baby's face. gotta run.)

Modifié par sagequeen, 23 août 2011 - 06:10 .

[100k]

ELE08 wrote...

FireEye wrote...

As for the cliquish atmosphere... I've been lurking here since the beginning, and I've definitely seen some groupish behavior that could be off-putting to newcomers.  Most of it did seem to be of the "the thread is moving very quickly" variety; early on, the emphasis on how good/unique your Shepard looked, and the "Face 7 is Boring" thing could have been offputting.... let's face it, the character creator is hard and not everyone has acces to screenshot technology. 

However, I never saw intentional exclusion outside of the trolls, so I wouldn't really label it a clique myself.  Regardless, I much prefer the sunshine and bunnies and guns atmosphere here than the walking on eggshells feel in the ME3 thread.  *shrug* 

Yup.

I think what some view as "cliquish" behavior is simply the camaraderie and familiarity that comes with seeing the same posters regularly, as opposed to any intentional exclusion of "non-regulars". It's normal to be familiar with people you see over and over again--a lot of folks have been posting here for nearly a year.

I can see how this can be intimidating to new people, but it's not for lack of inclusiveness on the threads part. I'd say to those people, just stay persistent and continue contributing to the conversation in a positive way.
You are welcome even if you aren't responded to right away or directly. New sheps, new art, new screenshots, is what keeps the thread alive.

Everyone contributing to a positive atmosphere is more than welcome. Personal familiarity is something bred over time.

100% in agreement. It's not bad, it just happens naturally. 

Sable Phoenix wrote...
I'm sorry to sound snarky, I know you mean well, but I cannot agree with you.  Those random ****holes that you mention keep running into the aura of warm-and-fuzzies we've built in this thread and do their bug-in-a-Texas-backyard-zapper imitation.  All it takes is one of them getting through and getting a mod involved to ruin the mood, unless the thread regulars are determined to maintain a certain atmosphere

Several members (some from this thread) have eplained that these assh0les tried to derail the new thread in the beginning, and eventually (fairly quickly) things started going very smoothly. 

Your point has no basis -- with all due respect.

nranola wrote...@100k- I've never really bothered to visit the Commander Shepard thread in the ME3 forum (out of laziness and general busy with real life-ness), but to build a community where ManShep and FemShep fans can co-exist harmoniously seems like a goal worth pursuing. I'll browse through the thread one of these days, see how things go down in there.

This is all I ask. 

Just please don't prejudge a thread because you didn't like the initial three to five pages, people. 

Hyper_gateway wrote...Btw, if you think keep ignoring my comment on you will simply keep me away, you better reconsider. I don't pick fight but I fight back very hard.

I'm not ignoring your posts. But, with all due respect, I'm juggling half a dozen people here, so I can't focus all of my attention on your reply -- which completely missed the point.

Also, thank you Kyrene for defending me.

Modifié par 100k, 23 août 2011 - 06:40 .

[100k]

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Modifié par 100k, 23 août 2011 - 06:41 .

[ELE08]

Akari Tenshi wrote...

ELE08 wrote...

None of my Sheps keep the scarring because I don't think it looks good on them.  I do have a new renegade Shep that I'm playing through that will probably keep them.  She's a jerk.

Can we see this new Shepard, or is that her in the screenshot you posted? Because she looks kinda familiar. Rhona, was it? I don't know, I can't keep up with all your dead Shepards.

Hehe.  That IS an old pic of Rhona.

No screenies of 'new renegade Shep' yet since I'm away from my regular computer.  I'm playing her on *gasp* xbox at the moment at someone else's house.  Which also means she not modded *double gasp*

[Ottemis]

What gets me most about the argument 100k is that this is a group of wonderful people, this thread works so well because we all overall share the same caring and sharing mentality. It's a group of people I'd be proud to call my friends, and I'd totally hang out with them if I could IRL.
When you say the stuff you're saying about a group of people that pretty much reflect my own sentiment towards things more often then not, you make it sound like we're 'elitist' in a way, rigid.
While this group breathes a relaxed state of being, we share so much more with each other and we are naturally friendly and inviting.

As I've said before, it's fine if you don't want to reach out to us via other mediums as well, but the options are there if you'd want to. That does not mean without them, you have no chance of 'getting in'.

You saying we come off as cold, even if only at first, baffles me to say the very least.
I cannot conceive how our communication towards our 'group' and newcomers could EVER be picked up in such a way.

If, and it is, it's natural for newcomers to have to break through and persist to get to know the members, as the members get to know them, then I don't even understand where the original argument came from to begin with. We do nothing wrong and are as inviting as we can be.
If the understanding is there then this should be settled.
Newcomers either like us, or the look and feel of this thread enough to WANT to be part of it and persist, or they don't. But in my mind, there is nothing we can do about that. It's completely up to them.

If they post here, they will be equally treated as are the others, bar the fact that we'd still need to get to know you. You'd still work on being part of a group of people which, frankly, are freaking fabulous.
We can't make it any easier, don't make it seem any harder then it logicly would be.

Modifié par Ottemis, 23 août 2011 - 06:35 .

[ELE08]

@ 100K - I gotta back you up, the combined thread has been good recently. I'm not saying everyone should migrate over, I still think it's a good idea to have separate threads, if only because the combined one does not seem conducive for anything besides casual passing posts, much like a 'share your shepard' thread. That's not so bad I think, because it encourages less frequent posters to participate. But I do think it would be nice to ALSO have a dedicated femShep thread.

Did I have a point? Right, the combined thread is not so bad. I got to share my short live *cough*maleshepard*cough* I hope it stays civil.

[100k]

 Also, the example I used regarding a jerk insulting a female gamer was because -- and I can't explain this any clearer -- I DON'T understand what kind of fight you are all expecting to happen. I felt that your worst case scenarios are far too dramatic AND unclear.
Many of you expecting a fight are arguing the same point from different perspectives: 
1) That the thread is meant for Sheploo, and so all CC characters aren't welcome there.
2) That the thread is meant for mSheps, and so the mixture of femSheps is a disaster in the making.
But why don't we read the thesis of that thread so we can get a clear as day idea of what it's about:



About this thread:
I was surpised to find fan support and fan threads for every main character in ME series and there was no fan thread to commander shepard. The only fan thread for shepard is in ME2 section and it is to support femshep. So this thread is made to support commander shepard in any form (male/female or custom/default). show some love to our hero who has been with us for many years!

Thread rules:
No male shepard/female shepard bashing. No trolling, no spamming and no sexist posts allowed. If you see anyone breaking these rules, do not quote them and get yourself in trouble. Anyone braking these rules or main forum rules will be reported.

Hmmmm....


:alien::alien:

Modifié par 100k, 23 août 2011 - 06:33 .

[CrazyRah]

I've read that thread several times and my opinion still stands that it's a thread i don't like and have no intention to be part of....


''I'm not moving''

[meonlyred]

If we have to be anything, I want to be a cult. Cults are cooler than cliques anyways. There are ritualistic orgies, you get to wear funny clothes, and drink weird tasting punch!

Seriously though, Nranola is right, if the Commander Shepard can't keep their thread going without us leading them its their fault. I post in there almost as much as I post here. But they don't 'talk' to each other about their Shepards. Back a few pages ago someone posted suggested topics in there to get people talking about their Shepards. "What kind of person are they?" "Where are they from?" "Where do they want to go in life?" etc. I was the only person who posted about their Shepard. What I see going on right now is people just posting pictures of their Male and Female Shepards, which isn't a bad thing. Its good both sides are exploring the idea of playing the other Shepard gender but it seems they are trying to be over the top PC, which is boring. I come here to talk about the difference between my Shepard and yours (generally speaking.) I like to hear how ADlegend's Kallen Shepard is flirty while my Zody is more closed off and prudish.

Also 100k, might I suggest editing your posts instead of posting 4 times in a roll.

[100k]

CommanderSarah wrote...

I've read that thread several times and my opinion still stands that it's a thread i don't like and have no intention to be part of....


''I'm not moving''

As is your right. But please don't prejudge it.

That's all I ask of any of you.

@ ELE08 

Thanks for the back up 

Modifié par 100k, 23 août 2011 - 06:43 .

[Ottemis]

100k wrote...

 Also, the example I used regarding a jerk insulting a female gamer was because -- and I can't explain this any clearer -- I
DON'T understand what kind of fight you are all expecting to happen. I
felt that your worst case scenarios are far too dramatic AND unclear.
Many of you expecting a fight are arguing the same point from different perspectives: 
1) That the thread is meant for Sheploo, and so all CC characters aren't welcome there.
2) That the thread is meant for mSheps, and so the mixture of femSheps is a disaster in the making.
But why don't we read the thesis of that thread so we can get a clear as day idea of what it's about:

No 100k, we're saying we've posted there before with pure intent and got bashed without provocation for posting femsheps.
We've said that the formed division between sentiment of some fans makes SOME lash out extremely towards femshep posts, reacts at femshep posts.
We've actually persistently stated multiple times we'd love for the idea of a combined thread to work.

We don't go anywhere to cause trouble, we went there to participate and we got burned.
Those were mshep and sheploo supporters more-over then not, so yes we are wary of the combination of both fanbases in one thread, because experience has burned us.

Logical? I'd think so.
Have the haters read the thesis, because them ain't us, plainly put.
I even pointed it out to them when the issues were actively ongoing.
The thread's title ALONE speaks volumes, which I also pointed out to them btw. Not that they cared to listen though.

Modifié par Ottemis, 23 août 2011 - 06:50 .

[ELE08]

Aye, people are going to post where they feel like. Good threads will thrive, one's with no interest will get buried. These things sort themselves out.

[CrazyRah]

@100K
Don't worry i get feedback all the time of what happens in the thread and it got a good purpose and i support it's purpose :happy:


M of the FemShep.com made this one for me a few weeks ago and i still have it as my desktop on my laptop <3

Modifié par CommanderSarah, 23 août 2011 - 06:48 .

[sagefic]

meonlyred wrote...

If we have to be anything, I want to be a cult. Cults are cooler than cliques anyways. There are ritualistic orgies, you get to wear funny clothes, and drink weird tasting punch!

Hear, hear!

(Or here, here? Or heer, heer? Never sure.)

Anyhow, you're funny, red. 

[100k]

Ottemis wrote...No 100k, we're saying we've posted there before with pure intent and got bashed without provocation for posting femsheps.
We've said that the formed division between sentiment of some fans makes SOME lash out extremely towards femshep posts, reacts at femshep posts.
We've actually persistently stated multiple times we'd love for the idea of a combined thread to work.

Be careful, Ottemis... you can't speak for every one of those who posted in that thread. I'm seeing several "I just don't like the thread" posts, and a few other "I posted there once and got burned, so I'll stay away."

We don't go anywhere to cause trouble, we went there to participate and we got burned.
Those were mshep and sheploo supporters more-over then not, so yes we are wary of the combination of both fanbases in one thread, because experience has burned us. Logical? I'd think so.
Have the haters read the thesis, because them ain't us, plainly put.

As ELE08, Tup, and I (and a few others) have stated, the thread is doing better. 

[meonlyred]

@100k, I read those rules too. However when someone photoshops a picture of Sloth on someone's Shepard making a cruel comment about them looking the same. Then when several people step in and demand to stop that person gets on the defensive and tries to make them self out to being the victim, I call bull****. I'm sure THAT has turned most of us off from wanting to post there. I will continuing trying to post there, but I get tried of just posting pictures of my Shepard over and over again without actually Shepard related topics to talk about there. I also COMPLETELY understand why several people here do not want to post there.

Modifié par meonlyred, 23 août 2011 - 06:53 .

[Ottemis]

100k wrote...

Ottemis wrote...No 100k, we're saying we've posted there before with pure intent and got bashed without provocation for posting femsheps.
We've said that the formed division between sentiment of some fans makes SOME lash out extremely towards femshep posts, reacts at femshep posts.
We've actually persistently stated multiple times we'd love for the idea of a combined thread to work.

Be careful, Ottemis... you can't speak for every one of those who posted in that thread. I'm seeing several "I just don't like the thread" posts, and a few other "I posted there once and got burned, so I'll stay away."

I don't like your tone. At all.

Ottemis wrote...
We don't go anywhere to cause trouble, we went there to participate and we got burned.
Those were mshep and sheploo supporters more-over then not, so yes we are wary of the combination of both fanbases in one thread, because experience has burned us. Logical? I'd think so.
Have the haters read the thesis, because them ain't us, plainly put.

100k wrote...As ELE08, Tup, and I (and a few others) have stated, the thread is doing better.

That's fine and dandy, and as you may have noticed, I've actually checked and started posting there again, but others NOT wanting to post there do so with just cause. Period.

Modifié par Ottemis, 23 août 2011 - 06:58 .

[100k]

meonlyred wrote...

@100k, I read those rules too. However when someone photoshops a picture of Sloth on someone's Shepard making a cruel comment about them looking the same. Then when several people step in and demand to stop that people gets on the defensive and tries to make them self out to being the victim, I call bull****. I'm sure THAT has turned most of us off from wanting to post there.

I have already addressed situations like this. And I have highlighted the part that I think is most important. People will always attack the innocent -- but so long as the good are their by their side, there is hope that everything can return to normal.

And the thread is doing quite well. 

I will continuing trying to post there, but I get tried of just posting pictures of my Shepard over and over again without actually Shepard related topics to talk about there. I also COMPLETELY understand why several people here do not want to post there.

As is your right. 

[ELE08]

A question for people: are all your playthroughs "serious" playthroughs with thought to RP and reasoning behind actions, or does anyone do fun "throwaway" playthroughs?

The reason it comes to mind, is I started a chaotic-moron renegade who ALWAYS chooses the bottom option and it's hilarious. I put her in bubblegum pink camo.

[100k]

Ottemis wrote...

100k wrote...

Ottemis wrote...No 100k, we're saying we've posted there before with pure intent and got bashed without provocation for posting femsheps.
We've said that the formed division between sentiment of some fans makes SOME lash out extremely towards femshep posts, reacts at femshep posts.
We've actually persistently stated multiple times we'd love for the idea of a combined thread to work.

Be careful, Ottemis... you can't speak for every one of those who posted in that thread. I'm seeing several "I just don't like the thread" posts, and a few other "I posted there once and got burned, so I'll stay away."

I don't like your tone. At all.

I meant no disrespect, Ottemis. But I was bashed by several people who felt that I was generalizing in my earlier posts. I'm just trying to get you to see how easy it is to speak for others when trying to make a point. 

That's fine and dandy, and as you may have noticed, I've actually checked and started posting there again, but others NOT wanting to post there do so with just cause. Period.

I completely understand that. 100%. It's their life, and their choice. People like your Shepard -- I like your Shepard, and that's great.

But I (and I can only speak for myself) just don't think that judging a thread without understanding (or even reading) the thesis, content, or conversation progression is fair to that thread.

Modifié par 100k, 23 août 2011 - 07:09 .

[CrazyRah]

ELE08 wrote...

A question for people: are all your playthroughs "serious" playthroughs with thought to RP and reasoning behind actions, or does anyone do fun "throwaway" playthroughs?

The reason it comes to mind, is I started a chaotic-moron renegade who ALWAYS chooses the bottom option and it's hilarious. I put her in bubblegum pink camo.

I've done that once and i picked totally random options and put her in the hilarious situations just because i could. I think she was renegade. Probably one of the most enjoyable playthroughs i've ever played

[Ottemis]

ELE08 wrote...

A question for people: are all your playthroughs "serious" playthroughs with thought to RP and reasoning behind actions, or does anyone do fun "throwaway" playthroughs?

The reason it comes to mind, is I started a chaotic-moron renegade who ALWAYS chooses the bottom option and it's hilarious. I put her in bubblegum pink camo.

My first two were not nearly as fleshed out as my third is now.
I kinda just played two variations of me on Jane a\\and Laire before Raine came round and evolved into becoming her own person. I might try a renegade playthrough 'for the feck of it' with Joe though, after i'm done with Raine.

[Ottemis]

100k wrote... I'm just trying to get you to see how easy it is to speak for others when trying to make a point.

I do speak for others, all others? By no means, I don't see me stating that anywhere.
Also I don't think you need to 'make me see' anything. I see fine, thanks.

100k wrote... But I (and I can only speak for myself) just don't think that judging a thread without understanding (or even reading) the thesis, content, or conversation progression isn't fair to that thread.

True enough statement, but certainly not applicable to me (as I've read the thesis and posted before in good faith) and 'several others' with me (as using the word others or we solely seems to cause issues) as have we checked the general state of that thread over time.

Modifié par Ottemis, 23 août 2011 - 07:46 .