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[Hyper_gateway]

Sinapus wrote...

Wow... these are awesome.

STILL not getting the 14-day trial. Must... resist...

*hears the whispers in my mind telling him to get it but he doesn't know why* 

lol you are almost there, how about someone I said I would made?

I gave you, Faith of Mirror's Edge:



Faith: My dear Sina, wants to join me in that CC?

[Quething]

Come on Sinapus, hold it together man, if you fall I'll be all alone!

aaaand now I have to go play Mirror's Edge. :shakes fist at Hyper:

Oh and thanks, FireEye. Even as unpolished as it is, it's one of the mods I'm most proud of.

Modifié par Quething, 23 septembre 2011 - 06:45 .

[Sinapus]

Hyper_gateway wrote...

Sinapus wrote...

Wow... these are awesome.

STILL not getting the 14-day trial. Must... resist...

*hears the whispers in my mind telling him to get it but he doesn't know why* 

lol you are almost there, how about someone I said I would made?

I gave you, Faith of Mirror's Edge:

*snip*
Faith: My dear Sina, wants to join me in that CC?

Never!!!!



*crawls onto that substation inside Cloud City's central shaft*

[CrazyRah]

Sinapus wrote...

Wow... these are awesome.

STILL not getting the 14-day trial. Must... resist...

*hears the whispers in my mind telling him to get it but he doesn't know why* 

Hehe, we must resist it! I can just imagine all the time i will lose if i fail ^^

[Hallusinaatti]

Anna-Lea Shepard, my Canon Shepard (in my terms, this means power-gaming to complete all quests)



In Mass Effect 1. Engineer, wearing Cerberus Hoplite Armor. True Renegade.

i158.photobucket.com/albums/t89/LFAAR/ME/ALS0.jpg
^ Link if pic wont work

In Mass Effect 2, this time a Sentinel with assault rifle training. Paragadish attitude with strong lean on Renegade.
i158.photobucket.com/albums/t89/LFAAR/ME/ALS1.jpg
^ Link if pic wont work

Modifié par Hallusinaatti, 23 septembre 2011 - 08:42 .

[KyreneZA]

Ottemis wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

This stat right here

"18 percent of everyone who plays Mass Effect plays it with a female character.”

I hate it. I hate when people mention it. I hate that people never take into account different variables. I want to burn with fire, lots and lots of fire.

I've got one for you, from personal experience. 95% of the people you'll meet are completely morons.
Made you feel better? Always makes me feel better =P

Harsh, both of you!?! While the former may not be true, and the latter possibly is, that also by extension implies that 95% of us posting here in this very thread are morons. We’re just an 18% minority of a 95% majority.

I’ve played John Sheploo through ME thrice, Jane only once (75%:25%). I’ve abandoned my second John Sheploo at Horizon in ME2 thrice, and finished the game with the last ME Sheploo–who became Jack’s John–thrice, but only once with Jane ((⅓ x 3) + 3:1; 80%:20%). The stats are therefore correct-ish.

At least we are a 18% minority. In most games we’d all be a 0% one. I know I’m not female in Witcher 2 even if it's a far superior game to DAII (and on par with the ME series as a whole). Did I have a point? Yeah, we as femShep players aren't superior. We're just lucky BioWare has female characters in all their games since I can recall. Stop being condescending.

[Ottemis]

No, it doesn't. 95% of the worldpopulation (*and/or the part of it you'll meet) is a statement towards the mayority, hence, I might very well think you're all part of the 5% minority. Aside from that, don't jump ontop of it like it's meant as an insult? None of the people here (that I know of) would use the 18% argument against us, so I would have thought my statement was placed in a 'safe environment' especially considering me expecting people to grasp the fact that it was meant as a joke.

If I would actually turn round and directedly call the lot of you morons in extention by a statement made, it'd be a cold day in hell. Aside from that my statement was directed at the people using the 18% fact as an argumentation point, not people that play Sheploo. I've posted here for quite some time, people who feel offended shouldn't, and don't know me very well. (Or maybe they should feel offended, but then I really don't give a toss)

As such I'm not being condescending, I'm showing I have 0 respect for people that step on the (any) 'minority'. That is all.

Modifié par Ottemis, 23 septembre 2011 - 12:53 .

[Captain Crash]

minority, majority. I doesnt matter when were right whatever the outcome is 

[Sable Phoenix]

ELE08 wrote...

I think I'm done fudging with it. I made a wallpaper of the ubiquitous reapers attacking earth with adept femshep. I used the new 'default' but I tweaked her a bit to resemble Drea.

Photomanip (you might recognize Liara's redemption outfit, default femShep art, and images from the website.)

How did this one not get a comment yet?  This is a fantastic photomanip.

[CrazyRah]

Captain Crash wrote...

minority, majority. I doesnt matter when were right whatever the outcome is 

This is what matters! Being just damn awesome!

[sagefic]

Quething wrote...

Yeah, the very first thing you learn in any good statistics class is that all statistics are completley meaningless without context. That 80% dudeShep stat got put out there with absolutely no context (we don't even know if that's players or games, much less finished playthroughs, platforms, purchases vs rentals, mains vs alts, whatever), so I'm always dubious of anyone trying to draw any kind of meaningful conclusion from it.

and yet, people are constantly using that stat as if it means something. but then, why am i surprised? this is the intarwebs, after all...

Quething wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

Haha that armroll. I love trying to justify Shep's fidgety idle animations. I figure that one is the Claymore/Widow/Revenant that humans aren't supposed to be able to use, causing muscle strain, because, you know, humans aren't supposed to be able to use them.

i remember someone also pointing out that it's the same side of the body that legion took shep's armor from, so there's a high chance that shep sustained worse injuries there when her armor broke upon landing on alchera. speculation, but i thought it was an interesting idea. it also explains the motion for those sheps that aren't wielding shotties.

ELE08 wrote...

I think I'm done fudging with it. I made a wallpaper of the ubiquitous reapers attacking earth with adept femshep. I used the new 'default' but I tweaked her a bit to resemble Drea.

Photomanip (you might recognize Liara's redemption outfit, default femShep art, and images from the website.)

this is awesome. much as i love guns and omnitools, i really love biotics. 

however, i also understand why they rarely use them in promo material, unless its for liara. along with default shep being a dude, it seems they shy away from having shep be a biotic. i guess if you didn't know the game, it could look kind of kooky. guns probably sell better.

[Captain Crash]

sagequeen wrote...

ELE08 wrote...

I think I'm done fudging with it. I made a wallpaper of the ubiquitous reapers attacking earth with adept femshep. I used the new 'default' but I tweaked her a bit to resemble Drea.

Photomanip (you might recognize Liara's redemption outfit, default femShep art, and images from the website.)

this is awesome. much as i love guns and omnitools, i really love biotics. 

however, i also understand why they rarely use them in promo material, unless its for liara. along with default shep being a dude, it seems they shy away from having shep be a biotic. i guess if you didn't know the game, it could look kind of kooky. guns probably sell better.

This escaped me somehow!!  But yes its rather WOW isnt it!!!     Not that im too suprised, it is ele afterall. :happy:


Personally I always considered Shepard a biotic. Despite Bioware lack of focus on it and vague timeline explanation of how she gained her abilities.  Although fanfic always fills those gaps

[Captain Crash]

Also I want that armour! Or a light variant anyway. My adept needs something more nimble

[AtlasMickey]

How did this one not get a comment yet?  This is a fantastic photomanip.

I like it, but I figured the response might have been, "well of course you do, Mickey, you just like short blond hair."

But, if you think she has that hair color because I wanted it, she'll beat you up.



Gently.

[KyreneZA]

Ottemis wrote...

No, it doesn't. 95% of the worldpopulation (*and/or the part of it you'll meet) is a statement towards the mayority, hence, I might very well think you're all part of the 5% minority. Aside from that, don't jump ontop of it like it's meant as an insult? None of the people here (that I know of) would use the 18% argument against us, so I would have thought my statement was placed in a 'safe environment' especially considering me expecting people to grasp the fact that it was meant as a joke.

If I would actually turn round and directedly call the lot of you morons in extention by a statement made, it'd be a cold day in hell. Aside from that my statement was directed at the people using the 18% fact as an argumentation point, not people that play Sheploo. I've posted here for quite some time, people who feel offended shouldn't, and don't know me very well. (Or maybe they should feel offended, but then I really don't give a toss)

As such I'm not being condescending, I'm showing I have 0 respect for people that step on the (any) 'minority'. That is all.

You've admitted in the past that you can come off as harsh and/or abrasive. While you tried for humour, it wasn't in good taste. Above reply makes it clear you don't feel you were wrong, so I'm not expecting you'd apologise. Just think twice before you post cr*p like that again.

Also, I'm done, so feel free to have the last word (here or in a PM).

See y'all when I post my manipulation (hoping to do it this weekend).

[ELE08]

sagequeen wrote...
...

much as i love guns and omnitools, i really love biotics. 

however, i also understand why they rarely use them in promo material, unless its for liara. along with default shep being a dude, it seems they shy away from having shep be a biotic. i guess if you didn't know the game, it could look kind of kooky. guns probably sell better.

I get a very super-heroish feel from biotics (which is why I like it!) Mage class is always my first go-to in fantasy (but sniper is always my first go-to in shooters. I am torn! Infiltrator or Adept? Both!)

[Tup3x]

Pretty effin sweet wallpaper, ELE!

*Goes back to F1 cockpit*

Modifié par Tup3xi, 23 septembre 2011 - 04:44 .

[JamieCOTC]

ELE08 wrote...

This is pretty damned amazing.  I posted it to the femshep twitter, femshep facebook and Erika Kristine's facebook wall. 

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The 18% thing. 

The “femshep phenomenon” is typical of what happens when a character is perceived as having great worth, but is almost completely ignored by the powers that be. A fan will say, “Hey, FemShep is great!” and BW’s response is, “Here, have some more broShep.”  He is their posterboy, bought and paid for, after all, and consistency is a major factor in any safe marketing campaign. With millions on the line, BW had no choice but to play it safe. However, such actions create a void that can only be filled by the fans and if a character, such as femshep, has enough worth, fans can be very, very passionate.  The passion then takes a life of its own and explodes into a phenomenon where there is inherently more conversation, more fanart, more fanfic, more photos, etc, etc than the dominate character of broshep. Therefore while the community is small, it is loud and passionate and now part of the “safe” BW marketing strategy.  So while the 18% thing may be used as a slur at times, it is ultimately a symbol of overwhelming passion for a great character. 

[jlb524]

JamieCOTC wrote...

The 18% thing. 

The “femshep phenomenon” is typical of what happens when a character is perceived as having great worth, but is almost completely ignored by the powers that be. A fan will say, “Hey, FemShep is great!” and BW’s response is, “Here, have some more broShep.”  He is their posterboy, bought and paid for, after all, and consistency is a major factor in any safe marketing campaign. With millions on the line, BW had no choice but to play it safe. However, such actions create a void that can only be filled by the fans and if a character, such as femshep, has enough worth, fans can be very, very passionate.  The passion then takes a life of its own and explodes into a phenomenon where there is inherently more conversation, more fanart, more fanfic, more photos, etc, etc than the dominate character of broshep. Therefore while the community is small, it is loud and passionate and now part of the “safe” BW marketing strategy.  So while the 18% thing may be used as a slur at times, it is ultimately a symbol of overwhelming passion for a great character. 

Bravo!  *slow clap*

[Sunnie]

Kyrene wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

This stat right here

"18 percent of everyone who plays Mass Effect plays it with a female character.”

I hate it. I hate when people mention it. I hate that people never take into account different variables. I want to burn with fire, lots and lots of fire.

I've got one for you, from personal experience. 95% of the people you'll meet are completely morons.
Made you feel better? Always makes me feel better =P

Harsh, both of you!?! While the former may not be true, and the latter possibly is, that also by extension implies that 95% of us posting here in this very thread are morons. We’re just an 18% minority of a 95% majority.

I’ve played John Sheploo through ME thrice, Jane only once (75%:25%). I’ve abandoned my second John Sheploo at Horizon in ME2 thrice, and finished the game with the last ME Sheploo–who became Jack’s John–thrice, but only once with Jane ((⅓ x 3) + 3:1; 80%:20%). The stats are therefore correct-ish.

At least we are a 18% minority. In most games we’d all be a 0% one. I know I’m not female in Witcher 2 even if it's a far superior game to DAII (and on par with the ME series as a whole). Did I have a point? Yeah, we as femShep players aren't superior. We're just lucky BioWare has female characters in all their games since I can recall. Stop being condescending.

*delurks* Just thought I would say that this statistic is no where near accurate. I would estimate a margin of error of about 20-40% due to the sheer number of people who turned off the games' snooper for the PC version, and just plain don't play games with a live internet connection. Additionally, the statistic is heavily dependent upon Crapbox 360 usage stats, with the huge majority being in the target demographic which are males 14-35. Since accurate PC data is impossible, those statistics are akin to BioWare pulling numbers from their collective asses.

Hope everyone is doing well! *relurks*

[jeweledleah]

I'm not sure why being in a minority of players is such a big deal. all in all its not as much of a minority as, say fans of certain romances and yet, here's bioware still adding those romances in, even when numbers tells them that 3% or less of all the players enjoyed a particular subplot. why I prefer to play female characters whenever possible, femshep in particular is the first time I've ever encountered a phenomena where people wanted specific marketing for specific genders. to me, just marketing the fact that you CAN in fact customize your character in all ways, is more then enough. I don't mind trailers featuring default male.

I'm sure, some of the love also comes from protagonist being voiced, before characters just weren't as fleshed out without a voice, so it really didn't matter as much.

maybe its becasue I also happen to be a fan of some of the least beloved characters, i don't mind being in a minority so much. as long as said minority still exists in some way? /shrug.

[NM7]

@ELE: That is one amazing wallpaper. It looks fantastic. But then I should hardly be surprised by that, should I? It is you after all.

@Kyrene: You were the only person to take offense at Ottemis' comment, and you were also the only person who managed to twist a joke (and at the same time someone's personal opinion, which they are entitled to), and somehow came to the conlusion that she was bashing fans of ManShep! If you want to twist what people say and find offense in it, then that's your problem, but don't come in here sat on your high horse and expect someone to apologise to you for it.

Modifié par Akari Tenshi, 23 septembre 2011 - 06:04 .

[Quething]

Sunnie22 wrote...

*delurks* Just thought I would say that this statistic is no where near accurate. I would estimate a margin of error of about 20-40% due to the sheer number of people who turned off the games' snooper for the PC version, and just plain don't play games with a live internet connection. Additionally, the statistic is heavily dependent upon Crapbox 360 usage stats, with the huge majority being in the target demographic which are males 14-35. Since accurate PC data is impossible, those statistics are akin to BioWare pulling numbers from their collective asses.

Hope everyone is doing well! *relurks*

I think, actually, that the stat probably is pretty close to accurate. Remember the BSN poll that, I believe, started from this very thread, about "which Shep do you play?" The results ended up being: ~20% of people play exclusively femShep, ~18% of people play exclusively dudeShep, and everybody else plays both, with that third category split roughly 50/50 between people who prefer femShep as a main with occasional dudeShep alts and people who prefer dudeShep as a main with occasional femShep alts.

The statistic we were given was "82% of players play dudeShep."

By the BSN poll, that's absolutey true. It's also completely misleading, as it neglects to mention that more than 2/3s of those people also play femShep, many of them more often than they play dudeShep.

Now, is that what the statistic meant, or did it really mean that 80% of all playthroughs are dudeShep? That's the thing, we don't know.

@JeweledLeah: The problem with being a minority is that you get worse service. I could post the pictures of Legion's armor and Liara's N7 trophy and the Liara LotSB kiss again. If people really believe that nobody wants to play a female character and only a small contingent of the player base will ever see the femShep content, how hard are they really going to work to make sure that content is polished? How much QC are they going to do? How much of the art design and animation is going to assume a male PC?

Thus far in the series, the answers have been "not nearly as well as with dudeShep," "not enough," and "all of it," respectively. And there are people in this fandom right now who are starting careers in game design who will take that attitude of "oh only 10% of our playerbase will ever even see it" and continue to perpetuate that kind of resource divide. So that's why people care if we're being undersold.

ELE08 wrote...

I get a very super-heroish feel from biotics (which is why I like it!) Mage class is always my first go-to in fantasy (but sniper is always my first go-to in shooters. I am torn! Infiltrator or Adept? Both!)

I have this weird compulsion to hybrids. Any time I'm allowed to play a hybrid combat/magic class I will. D&D and D&D-based games my main is always a bard or a paladin. Elder Scrolls games I always take half weapons skills, half schools of magic. (Plus a speech skill. My mains are always charismatic.) There was really never any choice for me in ME, I was always going to be an infiltrator or a vanguard.

(Actually that was one of the things that frustrated me most about ME2; how hard it is to effectively play a vanguard as a biotic/combat hybrid and not just a soldier with a closing move instead of ARush. I still want to know why sentinels stole our Warp).

[jeweledleah]

@ Quething, I understand the desire for quality content despite being in a minority. after all I'm a fan of unpopular characters that i will fight to the death not to see sidelined due to their lesser popularity alone. I just don't mind being in a minority as long as the quality doesn't suffer. that 18% of all the players? only bugs me if people use it as a justification for not wanting to make sure that femshep specific content is not polished up. otherwise? so what.

P.S. sentinels had warp in ME1 too O_O I play my vanguards as biotic/combat hybrid , though granted, a lot of it has to do with bonus powers and my adoration for Shockwave, but still