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[upsettingshorts]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

When 'Shorts says "I'm leaving," what he means is "I wish ish were straight."

Then I'd have to think about the possibility of sharing you with other men.

What we have is way more special this way.

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

He's saying people should share because it's the right thing to do.

Precisely!  This is why we're pretend lovers.

[100k]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

When 'Shorts says "I'm leaving," what he means is "I wish ish were straight."

What you don't seem to realize is that he's not interested in "ending this." And he's not saying people should share because he does. He's saying people should share because it's the right thing to do.

No, he said, quite clearly if you look at his quotes, that people who don't want to share come off as arrogant and petty, and that this thread wasn't "all encompassing" because a long time respected poster didn't give him her code.

Then, when I told him that he should just try to make a similar Shepard himself, he essentially said "jump through hoops to make my own Shepard? Why?"

[Interactive Civilian]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Interactive Civilian wrote...

(WTF am I reading?)

Here's a summary:

Poster: "People should get over themselves and share."
Thread:  "TROLL!"

No, that's definitely not what I saw. However, out of the interests of keeping a civil tongue, I'm going to ignore the whole thing and just post pictures. If anyone wants to have an idea of where I stand, it never even occurs to me to ask someone for a facecode, because I would never be interested in playing a Shepard that I didn't create. And luckily, Artemis seems to be flawed enough that no one wants her facecode, so I'm saved the trouble of politely refusing.

http://cloud.steampo...55C066DA66324F/
For some reason, this shot of this moment makes me think "Booyah!" Even though it's not a "booyah" situation...

http://cloud.steampo...66AD1A050D7E79/
Jacob: Hey, Commander. My face is up here.

http://cloud.steampo...497DF6AAD4E7B2/
For some reason, I've always really like this shot.

And, in honor of finally finishing a complete play through of Fallout New Vegas, and the fact that I can finally get back to finishing my Mass Effect 2 canon play-through for Artemis, so more annoying pictures of her coming real soon, here's alterate universe, "No Gods, No Masters" lord of the Mojave Artemis:

http://cloud.steampo...D4557D53938CBF/

http://cloud.steampo...1A230E2311DC5C/

That is probably the last you will see of her, as she's not strictly related to this thread aside from the topic of whether or not we attempt to recreate our femsheps in other games from several pages ago. From now on, hopefully new pics of Artemis Shepard will be coming. Now that I (think I) have figured out camera controls in cut-scenes, hopefully things will get a bit more interesting.

[lv12medic]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

And he's not saying people should share because he does. He's saying people should share because it's the right thing to do.

Think of the joy that would be brought to those who suffer from ICCS (Inept Character Creation Syndrome).  Those, like me, who suffer endlessly with default and pre-set character choices because they lack the skills to create works of art from menus of slider bars need all the help they can get.  Please, I beg of you all, think of those like me before passing judgement.

[upsettingshorts]

100k wrote...

Its another thing to claim that people who don't share are arrogant and petty -- what he's saying.

No, I'm saying people who don't share are pretentious and their motivations seem petty.  Arrogant was not the word I used, and I won't be drawn into supporting it being applied here.

I'm not terribly concerned with the motivation, though.

Interactive Civilian wrote...

And luckily, Artemis seems to be flawed enough that no one wants her facecode

Well I like her.  *shrug* 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 octobre 2011 - 03:44 .

[ipgd]

100k wrote...

No, he said, quite clearly if you look at his quotes, that people who don't want to share come off as arrogant and petty, and that this thread wasn't "all encompassing" because a long time respected poster didn't give him her code.

Then, when I told him that he should just try to make a similar Shepard himself, he essentially said "jump through hoops to make my own Shepard? Why?"

He does not actually want her code. This is a general metadiscussion about principle.

[100k]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
No, I'm saying people who don't share are pretentious and their motivations seem petty.  Arrogant was not the word I used, and I won't be drawn into supporting it being applied here.

Definition of arrogant

Definition or prententious

[leggywillow]

lv12medic wrote...
Think of the joy that would be brought to those who suffer from ICCS (Inept Character Creation Syndrome).  Those, like me, who suffer endlessly with default and pre-set character choices because they lack the skills to create works of art from menus of slider bars need all the help they can get.  Please, I beg of you all, think of those like me before passing judgement.

For just half a facecode per day, you can bring the cure for ICCS to gamers in need.

[100k]

ipgd wrote...
He does not actually want her code. This is a general metadiscussion about principle.

You should not argue principle while using phrases and words that insult, or at the least have negative insinuations.

[upsettingshorts]

Indeed. Here is the definition I am applying here:

b : expressive of affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature <pretentious language> <pretentious houses>

They are similar, but I was criticizing the act, not the individual. For example:

"Sable Phoenix was being pretentious." This is what I am saying.
"Sable Phoenix is arrogant." This is not what I am saying.

Furthermore, I'm glad we've moved on to semantics. The ad hominem Merry-Go-Round was making me dizzy.

[upsettingshorts]

100k wrote...

You should not argue principle while using phrases and words that insult, or at the least have negative insinuations.

According to whom? Furthermore, is there a "nice way" to say pretentious?  I used the word that meant what I wanted to express, and it was not a perjorative or a swear word. 

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

...wait, that's not what that idiom actually means.  Whatever, I like it.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 octobre 2011 - 03:55 .

[Interactive Civilian]

Does anyone remember when the FemShep Fan Thread was about FemShep?

Good times.

Modifié par Interactive Civilian, 10 octobre 2011 - 03:57 .

[AtreiyaN7]

@100k - Ahem, since we want to get into dictionary definitions now, I think you mean "connotations," not "insinuations."

[leggywillow]

Interactive Civilian wrote...

Does anyone remember when the FemShep Fan Thread was about FemShep?

Good times.

Meh, as a longtime follower/reader and increasingly infrequent poster, I don't mind a break from all the picspam.  Seeing the same pictures of the same FemSheps over and over and over again gets pretty old.

[upsettingshorts]

Interactive Civilian wrote...

Does anyone remember when the FemShep Fan Thread was about FemShep?

The current topic is whether or not sharing FemShep face codes is the right thing to do.  What is the Femshep thread's deal with insisting things are off topic?  I remember it being strenuously and stubbornly argued that discussions about the thread topic were not on topic.  

Though if you goal was to bore me by avoiding the topic and focusing on what words I should have used or what in my psychological makeup led me to raise the question, mission accomplished.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 octobre 2011 - 04:04 .

[Interactive Civilian]

leggywillow wrote...

Meh, as a longtime follower/reader and increasingly infrequent poster, I don't mind a break from all the picspam.  Seeing the same pictures of the same FemSheps over and over and over again gets pretty old.

You're absolutely right. I mean, why stick to the topic of a thread? It should be perfectly ok to derail the thread onto any topic we choose, becuase it is not possible to create other threads on these forums, amirite? I mean, this IS the only thread on BSN, so it's reasonable for it to go completely off topic.

It's not like a discussion of personal preferences regarding the sharing of facecodes would make more sense in the "Share your facecodes" thread. No way. Makes far more sense to have this discussion in the FemShep fan thread. Where it so obviously belongs.

[Sinapus]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Sinapus wrote...

That's where it should have ended. Alas, someone decided to make a mountain out of a molehill.

Now see this?  Vir Cotto here is actually paying attention.

That's a charge I'm actually guilty of.

Thank you for the admission.

Sinapus wrote...

"Waking up, coming to work and finding a flamewar. Should've never gotten ressurected."

May I please have her sliders?

At the moment I don't have access to the facecode since it is at home, and I'm sure I'll forget when I get home. Maybe I'll get in the habit of simply adding an image of the squad promotion screen to my archives at photobucket.

[upsettingshorts]

Interactive Civilian wrote...

You're absolutely right. I mean, why stick to the topic of a thread? It should be perfectly ok to derail the thread onto any topic we choose,

I didn't bring up face codes. 

Your sarcasm doesn't hide the fact you're creating arbitrary boundaries precisely drawn around my arguments like a chalk line because it suits you to do so. 

Do you think people ought to share their Femshep codes if asked nicely or not? 

[Sable Phoenix]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Thank you for the compliment but her face code isn't for public consumption.

I don't normally browse the Femshep thread but I could hear your pretension from the other side of the internet.

Edit:  You know, on second thought the fact that the person who posted above me conveniently shares all of their Shepards with a simple link in their signature says more than my incredulous sniping could.

It's not pretension, it's simple fact and one that's been brought up on these boards before.  You'll find that most of the femShep players in this thread are not open to sharing their facecodes outside of a specific purpose, because we've all put a lot of work into them and, silly as it may be, there's a certain element of possessiveness there.  Maybe I should've explained that, again, in my quoted post, but it's come up often before and I didn't feel like launching into this explanation again.  Seems like it's still necessary though.

The fact that you took the time to insert "incredulous sniping" in a thread you "don't normally browse" says more about the pretension you observe coming from self-projection than I could.  So now that we've both agreed that we each think the other is a horrible human being, how 'bout we drop it, you can go back to lurking rather than inciting conflict, everyone else can go back to being cozily pretentious rather than returning fire, and everyone will be happier?

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 10 octobre 2011 - 04:11 .

[100k]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Indeed. Here is the definition I am applying here:

b : expressive of affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature <pretentious language> <pretentious houses>

They are similar, but I was criticizing the act, not the individual. For example:

"Sable Phoenix was being pretentious." This is what I am saying.
"Sable Phoenix is arrogant." This is not what I am saying.

If I remember correctly you actual words were " I could hear your pretentiousness from across the internet". That implies that the vastness of the web was no match for Sable's attitude -- which implied that she had quite a lot of attitude, which gave the impression that you were telling her that she was being overtly arrogant/pertentious to the point of bellowing her high class and status. 

In such a case as this, the the act of Sable being pretentious is completely tied with her individuality -- as you cannot have one without the other -- in most people. Therefore, I concluded that you were calling her (and everyone who made similar choices) arrogant, and that their reasoning for doing so was petty.

I then told you that you could just as easily try to copy her, and in so doing make your own masterful creation, even if not completely accurate, you basically said that making your own creation would require "jumping through hoops" -- which implied that opening up the CC and working for a few minutes to a few hours was a task of incredible difficulty.  Later, you seemed to belittle the apparent difficulty of these actions by saying that in the end, it was litttle more than numbers and letters.

So you'll understand if some of us are angry that you couldn't just say your piece like many other posters -- even those that shared your opinion, and let it go. Arguing hasn't yielded the code that the other guy wanted, and its not going to make others want to give you their codes more. Arguing has, however, yielded a surprising number of members who are willing to share their codes with the public -- and some who are willing to share with people they like/trust. 

Huh...guess this thread is pretty "encompassing", since it encludes a plethora of both kinds of people.

Modifié par 100k, 10 octobre 2011 - 04:11 .

[leggywillow]

Interactive Civilian wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

Meh, as a longtime follower/reader and increasingly infrequent poster, I don't mind a break from all the picspam.  Seeing the same pictures of the same FemSheps over and over and over again gets pretty old.

You're absolutely right. I mean, why stick to the topic of a thread? It should be perfectly ok to derail the thread onto any topic we choose, becuase it is not possible to create other threads on these forums, amirite? I mean, this IS the only thread on BSN, so it's reasonable for it to go completely off topic.

It's not like a discussion of personal preferences regarding the sharing of facecodes would make more sense in the "Share your facecodes" thread. No way. Makes far more sense to have this discussion in the FemShep fan thread. Where it so obviously belongs.

Rein in your sarcasm a bit there; I didn't say it was the perfect change of topic, just that it's not the worst thing ever for readers who get tired of the fact that the thread is 70% picture spamming as of late.  Posters like Jamie are really good about updating everyone on Jennifer Hale interviews and FemShep articles that pop up around the Internet, but lately that seems to be a smaller percentage of posts.  Personally I think posts that contain nothing but photos with no discussion at all don't really belong in this thread either and would be more on-topic in a "Share Your Shepard!" thread, but I am obviously in the minority there.

[upsettingshorts]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

It's not pretension

We'll see. 

Sable Phoenix wrote...

silly as it may be, there's a certain element of possessiveness there.

So you're saying the reasons you can't share are possessiveness and silliness.  ... what's the right word for that being the excuse?

Sable Phoenix wrote...

The fact that you took the time to insert "incredulous sniping" in a thread you "don't normally browse" says more about the pretension you observe comes from projection than I could.

My alleged hypocrisy is not on topic. 

[Interactive Civilian]

Ah... so adding FemShep to a general topic makes it close enough. Reminds me of all of those business patents in the nineties where adding "On the internet" to any mundane thing was enough to get it granted a patent...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Do you think people ought to share their Femshep codes if asked nicely or not? 

Whether someone wants to or doesn't want to share their facecode is entirely up to them, and what others think they ought to do or not is completely irrelevant.

And, it shouldn't take 4 pages of the thread to figure that out. Hence...

[100k]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

@100k - Ahem, since we want to get into dictionary definitions now, I think you mean "connotations," not "insinuations."

i've had enough of your disingenuous assertions.

[JamieCOTC]

We're still on this?  WTF?!!!

I agree. The world would be a better place if we all shared w/ one another. But if you don’t want to, don’t. As far as I'm concerned people can do whatever the hell they want w/ their facecodes, share, don't share, write them on the bathroom wall, tell people they are nuclear missile launch codes (okay, maybe not that) I don't care. But Shorts, I have to thank you 'cause you have allowed me an occasion to say something I’ve wanted to say for a long time.

People, grow some thicker skin. I know this thread is isolated and safe, but let someone rock the boat a little and all hell breaks loose. It doesn’t happen often, something I am grateful for, and I’m not saying everyone needs to get along or that you shouldn’t defend yourself, but just grow a little more skin and think before you post. So the next time some f*cking idiot posts something so goddamned pointless, you can just ignore the son of a b*tch and go on.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 10 octobre 2011 - 04:17 .