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[SkaldFish]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

Red, I love you. So much.  

@Sinapus

Yes, in a few years I'll be on my porch holding an M1 Garand screaming "GET OFF MY LAWN!"

No, I'm afraid you won't.

Modifié par SkaldFish, 04 novembre 2011 - 04:43 .

[meonlyred]

The children will be the lawn!! Oh god!!

Yay! More old sci-fi references!! My day is that much brighter!

[Sinapus]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

Red, I love you. So much.  

@Sinapus

Yes, in a few years I'll be on my porch holding an M1 Garand screaming "GET OFF MY LAWN!"

*flees*

Though I've noted before that FemShep seems to be a descendant of one of Clint Eastwood's characters.



Elf: Carousel is a lie!

[meonlyred]

You know Aislinn you might be on to something, I like to think that Shepard will turn into something like Jon Grissom by the end of ME3. She because a recluse that opens the door in her underwear to annoy reports. (Mass Effect Revelation reference)

[Sable Phoenix]

Right... so, the age comment had to do with facial proportions, not actual age, and wasn't an intended insult nor attempt to tell anyone they were ancient-looking because they're older/younger/prettier/uglier than concept art of a video game character.

Lesson learned. All negative opinions and serious discussion tabled from here on out. Frivolity only.

The fact that Femloo shambled forth from its crypt in response to all this is a punishment far worse than the crime.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 04 novembre 2011 - 05:55 .

[lacuna_]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Right... so, the age comment had to do with facial proportions, not actual age, and wasn't an intended insult nor attempt to tell anyone they were ancient-looking because they're older/younger/prettier/uglier than concept art of a video game character.

Lesson learned. All negative opinions and serious discussion tabled from here on out. Frivolity only.

The fact that Femloo shambled forth from its crypt in response to all this is a punishment far worse than the crime.

My guess is that some of the more seasoned vets of this thread are exceedingly tired of all of the conversation involving Jane to the point where it, any conversation involving it, and any of those who propogate conversation about it are becoming slightly annoying, thus provoking the reaction to alleviate said annoyance with screenies. And the glory that is Femloo.
 
I'm all for serious FemShep conversation, but I think that because people seemed to fall into patterns of grumpiness, it was time to derail the thread into a more lighthearted direction. As I said, I think it's a sign of the times that we're already ready for ME3 already, dammit, and it needs to get here now.

Or maybe it's time for a new question...which would be incredibly helpful for my character-building/ fanfic-ing efforts! Of course I'm of no use...

[Cyansomnia]

*facedesk*

Yep, I'm so utterly and completely inconsolable. /sarcasm

I could give less a crap about what people think of my looks. What offends me, is that people try to force what they think is acceptable in terms of appearance and age on others. It was a general observation that was directed at NO ONE. If you chose to take it personally, that's your business.

I expressed how I felt, then it got blown way out of proportion and used to start some kind of silly argument I was trying to stem in the first place. I'm tired of trying to express my own thoughts, likes and dislikes without someone trying to bludgeon me over the head until I agree or twist my words around.

I even tried to make things better, but apparently that counts for nothing.

I'm done with this thread for a while.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 04 novembre 2011 - 07:37 .

[MizzNaaa]

Mr.House wrote...

meonlyred wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

I died...true story 

[f1r3storm]

Everyone should just relax...


Come on Margie, throw it already...

[Fraevar]

Ok, I make this post completely disjointed from everything else, even though it does sort of deal with the age issue. One of my pet peeves with ME2 was how the two years were just glossed over after being put front and center for the first fifteen minutes. How do you folks feel about Shepard actually losing two years of their lives with nothing to show for it? So as a little thought experiment how would you have liked to have Shepard react to this?

Lia would try to keep up a brave face but not even be sure she was still human after hearing Miranda's recordings about cybernetic augmentation, she'd punch the walls in her cabin a lot as well, especially after Horizon.

Lena on the other hand has a darker streak to her, and she'd basically try to switch it off with drinking, reverting back to her behavior after Torfan. Shut everyone out, keep them at arm's length, except Jacob's the guy who finally sees through it and makes her face up to it.

I guess what I am asking about is, how do you feel about Shepard having **** To Deal With™ that can't just be resolved by shooting things?

[CrazyRah]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Ok, I make this post completely disjointed from everything else, even though it does sort of deal with the age issue. One of my pet peeves with ME2 was how the two years were just glossed over after being put front and center for the first fifteen minutes. How do you folks feel about Shepard actually losing two years of their lives with nothing to show for it? So as a little thought experiment how would you have liked to have Shepard react to this?

Lia would try to keep up a brave face but not even be sure she was still human after hearing Miranda's recordings about cybernetic augmentation, she'd punch the walls in her cabin a lot as well, especially after Horizon.

Lena on the other hand has a darker streak to her, and she'd basically try to switch it off with drinking, reverting back to her behavior after Torfan. Shut everyone out, keep them at arm's length, except Jacob's the guy who finally sees through it and makes her face up to it.

I guess what I am asking about is, how do you feel about Shepard having **** To Deal With™ that can't just be resolved by shooting things?

That's also one of my pet peeves with ME2

Sarah is by far more violent and angry and keeps everyone that knows what's best for them at arm's length. She really don't know if she calls herself human anymore after hearing Miranda's recordings. Horizon just makes everything so much worse.

[KyreneZA]

leggywillow wrote...

ELE08 wrote...
"Hey guys," some people weren't here back in the summer when "we had that stupid vote."  Subjects are going to come up again and again, especially as people come and go.  Yeah, there are a lot of regular posters here, but not everyone has been here since "the beginning" and not everyone can be here all the time.  Saying "not this crap again" to someone who wasn't even here kind of sucks, how the heck are they supposed to know?  Discuss it, ignore it, or change the subject to something you'd rather talk about.  Why even bother arguing about it?  I'm a little taken aback at the pissiness myself.  I hope it's just general venting, frustration over lack of new info, or other issues, or whatever.

This, definitely this.  Remember how a few people popped in here a few months back, myself among them, mentioning how clique-ish and exclusive this thread can feel sometimes?  This is definitely part of the reason.  When new people come to to the thread, they have not taken part in the previous discussions.  This is a public forum, not a private group.  If you don't want to have the same conversations over and over again (until new content comes out), then the people who have the problem with it should duck out and create their own private group and only invite their friends.  The forum is for everyone.

Anyone should be able to come into this thread and bring up any FemShep-related topic without having people jump down their throats because "OMG STRANGER WE HAVE SO TALKED ABOUT THIS STFU".  There have been some really, really snide comments made in the last couple of pages in this regard.  It discourages people from taking part.

Now, now, leggy.  Discussing the clique-ish-ness (or the adamant denial of said) is also on the taboo list for this thread, didn't you know.  Damnit, who's responsible for sending out the memos these days. Why isn't everyone getting them? Someone's getting fired over this, mark my words...

I think it's more a case of over-saturation. Everything has pretty much been said/screenshot to death (excuse the pun) already and the lack of 'real' ME3 news has everyone on edge. Example: congratulations you Kaiden loving femSheps, now allow me to hate on you a little for not hearing any Zaeed loving femShep news.  And of course people take/will take things, even the jocular things I just said, WAAAAY too seriously.

And don't get me started on the analogy between opinions and ****s...

[KyreneZA]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

I'm done with this thread for a while.

Perhaps just come sit here in this quiet corner, rather. I don't know 'about the others here (it's sometimes a tad dark), but I won't bite (unless asked to).

[KyreneZA]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Ok, I make this post completely disjointed from everything else, even though it does sort of deal with the age issue. One of my pet peeves with ME2 was how the two years were just glossed over after being put front and center for the first fifteen minutes. How do you folks feel about Shepard actually losing two years of their lives with nothing to show for it? So as a little thought experiment how would you have liked to have Shepard react to this?

I guess what I am asking about is, how do you feel about Shepard having **** To Deal With™ that can't just be resolved by shooting things?

Jane was just on the way to becoming A Better Person™ when she got spaced. She never had a Kaiden to miss out on, he died for his duty on Virmire, but it still haunts her. After Horizon, when even her closest ally (Ashley we both have baggage, we were friends because of that common bond, damnit) turned her back on her, she only then lost those two years in a sense. And more. She doesn't like her renegade scars, but the part of her that recognizes that she lost two years, and the progress since Torfan, relishes in them. Some internal monologues she had up to the SM:

Yeah, Conrad, you dipsh*t, lucky for you I'm in a bipolar up today. Would have been fun shooting you in the leg for your stupidity...
Garrus, how'd you like to calibrate my Widow up your taurian...
I bet Miranda has mass effect fields built into those puppies. I'm a B and don't look half as perky...
F*ck this sh*t, now everybody dies. Grunt style...
No wonder Jack's p*ssed at the Cheerleader. We all have to compete with that cleavage...
Joker, can I break your *ss by kickin' it? I'm sure with your disease it'd be easy...

Yeah, Jane's a very angry girl sometimes. Not enough thresher maws left on Tuchanka for therapy either, and Urz gets hurt too soon most times.

[NanQuan]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Ok, I make this post completely disjointed from everything else, even though it does sort of deal with the age issue. One of my pet peeves with ME2 was how the two years were just glossed over after being put front and center for the first fifteen minutes. How do you folks feel about Shepard actually losing two years of their lives with nothing to show for it? So as a little thought experiment how would you have liked to have Shepard react to this?

Lia would try to keep up a brave face but not even be sure she was still human after hearing Miranda's recordings about cybernetic augmentation, she'd punch the walls in her cabin a lot as well, especially after Horizon.

Lena on the other hand has a darker streak to her, and she'd basically try to switch it off with drinking, reverting back to her behavior after Torfan. Shut everyone out, keep them at arm's length, except Jacob's the guy who finally sees through it and makes her face up to it.

I guess what I am asking about is, how do you feel about Shepard having **** To Deal With™ that can't just be resolved by shooting things?

An interesting question. Hm...

My full renegade wouldn't give a crap. She's convinced that her fate is to defeat the Reapers and die in that conflict, so losing any number of years doesn't matter as long as she completes her destiny.

My other shepards would likely be distressed in similar ways. The canon most likely internalizing her concerns and learning to live with it.  My perfect shepard most likely turning to Liara and her friends as a means of support. Alcohol may or may not be involved.

[meonlyred]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Ok, I make this post completely disjointed from everything else, even though it does sort of deal with the age issue. One of my pet peeves with ME2 was how the two years were just glossed over after being put front and center for the first fifteen minutes. How do you folks feel about Shepard actually losing two years of their lives with nothing to show for it? So as a little thought experiment how would you have liked to have Shepard react to this?

Lia would try to keep up a brave face but not even be sure she was still human after hearing Miranda's recordings about cybernetic augmentation, she'd punch the walls in her cabin a lot as well, especially after Horizon.

Lena on the other hand has a darker streak to her, and she'd basically try to switch it off with drinking, reverting back to her behavior after Torfan. Shut everyone out, keep them at arm's length, except Jacob's the guy who finally sees through it and makes her face up to it.

I guess what I am asking about is, how do you feel about Shepard having **** To Deal With™ that can't just be resolved by shooting things?

This is a great question DJ!

It might just be my perception but I see Shepard almost being a bit more tired and sadder in ME2. Maybe Jennifer Hale put more strain in her voice or something. She does kind of talk about it in certain romances, especially Jacobs, he says to her "You just keep running into people who have seemed to have changed." To which she responses, "And I stayed the same."

But I think mostly it boils down to Bioware afraid to put to much emotion in Shepard because of what we would think. I do roleplay Zody by doing things in a certain order to add motive. When Aria says, “You should find a nice young man in the meantime. You look like you need to loosen up.” It gets under her skin causing her to head down to the lower level of Afterlife and take a shot from the Balarian bartender. After Kasumi's mission when she sees the message from Keiji she doesn't even ask her if there is a way to delete the secert without delelting the memory. She just tells her to keep it.

However, I would have liked to see more reaction to being dead too. Though I don't see Shepard blowing off steam in front of the crew. It would have been nice when we dropped back in after a mission and seen Shepard doing something to ease the stress. After Horizon you see Shepard punching the hell out of a punching bag. Or maybe sitting on her bed with her head in her hands when she first arrives on the Normandy.

About Miranda's recordings, most of them say 'the subject' or not even mention Shepard's name at all. If I remember right I think only Wilson's recording after you meet Jacob says her name. I could see Shepard being confusied more than anything. Though it would have been nice for her to maybe say "What the hell?" or "What is she talking about?" at the end of each message.

Zody is the kind of person who represses her problems with humor or plastering on a happy smile. Realizing she has lost 2 years would only be just another drop in a bucket that is probably over flowing. Though poor thing, she is probably due for a mental break down soon or you know... a tumor...

[ELE08]

NanQuan wrote...

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Ok, I make this post completely disjointed from everything else, even though it does sort of deal with the age issue. One of my pet peeves with ME2 was how the two years were just glossed over after being put front and center for the first fifteen minutes. How do you folks feel about Shepard actually losing two years of their lives with nothing to show for it? So as a little thought experiment how would you have liked to have Shepard react to this?

Lia would try to keep up a brave face but not even be sure she was still human after hearing Miranda's recordings about cybernetic augmentation, she'd punch the walls in her cabin a lot as well, especially after Horizon.

Lena on the other hand has a darker streak to her, and she'd basically try to switch it off with drinking, reverting back to her behavior after Torfan. Shut everyone out, keep them at arm's length, except Jacob's the guy who finally sees through it and makes her face up to it.

I guess what I am asking about is, how do you feel about Shepard having **** To Deal With™ that can't just be resolved by shooting things?

An interesting question. Hm...

My full renegade wouldn't give a crap. She's convinced that her fate is to defeat the Reapers and die in that conflict, so losing any number of years doesn't matter as long as she completes her destiny.

Woah, that's grim. Kamikazee FTW.


Interesting question I wish had gotten addressed a little more beyond snide one liners and a few lines buried in the Jacob romance.

I can only imagine how Shep would react to it. It's hard to make dying a tangible thing, it might just feel like being in a coma for two years. The harder part to reconcile without getting into religious ramifications, would be, with how much she was reconstructed, exactly how human is she still?

If I was Shep, one, I'd be in pretty big denial. She can't just hide and mope with the galaxy at stake, if it were me I'd just push it out of my head. Pretend like nothing's wrong, go about my business, chat people up, focus on the day-to-day.

Second, I think she'd shut-down emotionally a bit. Be less open to people, and a lot more introspective. As if opening up would just let loose the flood gates and she'd lose it.

The hardest times would be alone, in the cabin, at night (with nothing else to distract and that giant picture window of space above the bed--thanks TIM.) A lot of lost sleep and nightmares, restless pacing, doing repetitive tasks like going over sitreps about a million times or cleaning weapons.

Alcohol? Not my Sheps, but I guess it just depends on how you deal with trauma.

[lacuna_]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Ok, I make this post completely disjointed from everything else, even though it does sort of deal with the age issue. One of my pet peeves with ME2 was how the two years were just glossed over after being put front and center for the first fifteen minutes. How do you folks feel about Shepard actually losing two years of their lives with nothing to show for it? So as a little thought experiment how would you have liked to have Shepard react to this?

Lia would try to keep up a brave face but not even be sure she was still human after hearing Miranda's recordings about cybernetic augmentation, she'd punch the walls in her cabin a lot as well, especially after Horizon.

Lena on the other hand has a darker streak to her, and she'd basically try to switch it off with drinking, reverting back to her behavior after Torfan. Shut everyone out, keep them at arm's length, except Jacob's the guy who finally sees through it and makes her face up to it.

I guess what I am asking about is, how do you feel about Shepard having **** To Deal With™ that can't just be resolved by shooting things?

Yay interesting question!

My Kyrah has a history with Cerberus, so when she woke up in one of their bases, she was pretty convinced that all of the events of ME1 were a lie: her time with Kaidan, her Spectrehood, even the Reapers- she was convinced that she had dreamed them all up to cope with what seemed like an extended stint as a Cerberus guinea pig. She relinquished herself to this role, until she found Garrus on Omega- everything pulled hard to port, and then she realized that everything Jacob and Miranda had told her WASN'T a lie: indeed, she was dead for two years, and indeed, life had changed drastically. Mostly, she felt hurt and betrayed that Kaidan wasn't tearing up the galaxy looking for her, and neither was the Alliance. She began drinking heavily, and turned to Garrus exclusively for support. So, I suppose, it wasn't the fact that she was alive again so much that she felt that everyone had abandoned her.

My Kerrigan believes that she was brought back wrong, and is convinced that they flash cloned her personality, took her brain, and stuck her in a cyborg's body, because she's not the reserved, cold, and calculating person she used to be.

My Ara just felt...tired after she was resurrected. She was tired of everyone coming to her with their problems in ME1, and now she was even more tired. Couldn't they just let her rest, and let somebody else take the job?

My Niki doesn't care too much for the scientific details of her resurrection: rather, it's obvious that something's a real threat that needed her help. She's got a "have-to-help-everyone" complex after the events of Mindoir, she she kind of throws herself at every problem in the galaxy, in the hope that she can accomplish just that.

And my Rhiannon, well, she disregards everything everyone told her about it being a death: she's convinced that she was just knocked out after the destruction of the Normandy, and that she fell into a coma as a result of her excessive injuries. Upon waking up, she didn't understand why the Alliance didn't have her back as they always had, and soon, this turns into anger. She begins to appreciate Cerberus, agrees with their views, and at the end of 2, is transformed into a Cerberus cheerleader.

Modifié par lacuna_, 04 novembre 2011 - 03:54 .

[diamondedge]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Ok, I make this post completely disjointed from everything else, even though it does sort of deal with the age issue. One of my pet peeves with ME2 was how the two years were just glossed over after being put front and center for the first fifteen minutes. How do you folks feel about Shepard actually losing two years of their lives with nothing to show for it? So as a little thought experiment how would you have liked to have Shepard react to this?

Lia would try to keep up a brave face but not even be sure she was still human after hearing Miranda's recordings about cybernetic augmentation, she'd punch the walls in her cabin a lot as well, especially after Horizon.

Lena on the other hand has a darker streak to her, and she'd basically try to switch it off with drinking, reverting back to her behavior after Torfan. Shut everyone out, keep them at arm's length, except Jacob's the guy who finally sees through it and makes her face up to it.

I guess what I am asking about is, how do you feel about Shepard having **** To Deal With™ that can't just be resolved by shooting things?

Whoa, awesome!

In my case, Vladilena doesn't really grasp the severity of the situation after until she has contant with people she trusted with her life - the old crew. She is tough, used to traumatic experiences (colonist/sole survivor), though always retains her kind, positive attitude towards life.

The whole ordeal with Cerberus does disturb her, yeah, but as always, she tries to see the big picture and puts how she feels about everything aside, knowing she has no real choice in the matter. Only through later events she realizes that those two years were more than just time.

Kaidan accusing her of betraying him, the Alliance - Anderson, everything she fought for, wishing she wouldn't have sacrificed that many lifes to save Council, as they're just bunch of pretentious, ungrateful, tiresome people playing at running the world, seeeing her once innocent lover become involved with dangerous people ... It begins to add up, and she thinks about it frequently, asking herself if there's anything she could have done differently to prevent this from happening. She is mad. At herself, at Alliance, at the Illusive Man, at the world. Is it worth it?

I know those two years were just timeskip, but I actually thought it was rather well done. Granted, some reasons given in game are outright silly, but I choose to ignore those and adopt my own. You have no way of knowing everything that happened, and seeing people you've once interacted with so openly become so different - in large part due to your death. It was hard at times, because I wanted to do so many things differently, but couldn't, because we just aren't the same people. In the end, I decided it changed my Shepard too. Now, part of her wishes she would have remained dead.

Anyway, sorry for the rant, but I hought it was really great question.

[ADLegend21]

Kallne actually does have an emotional breakdown after Horizon and the misions afterward. She cn put it aside for combat missions, but as soon as she'd gotten back to the ship she was a wreck and incredibly hostile (she throws a shoe amplified with biotics after it's heal breaks after biting off Tali and Garrus's heads for arguing with Miranda about Horizon.) She recovers after she begings meditation with samara (which I use to explain her reave powering up and how she befriends Paragon samara while she's being the renengade half of her Paragade morality)

[Tup3x]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Ok, I make this post completely disjointed from everything else, even though it does sort of deal with the age issue. One of my pet peeves with ME2 was how the two years were just glossed over after being put front and center for the first fifteen minutes. How do you folks feel about Shepard actually losing two years of their lives with nothing to show for it? So as a little thought experiment how would you have liked to have Shepard react to this?

Lia would try to keep up a brave face but not even be sure she was still human after hearing Miranda's recordings about cybernetic augmentation, she'd punch the walls in her cabin a lot as well, especially after Horizon.

Lena on the other hand has a darker streak to her, and she'd basically try to switch it off with drinking, reverting back to her behavior after Torfan. Shut everyone out, keep them at arm's length, except Jacob's the guy who finally sees through it and makes her face up to it.

I guess what I am asking about is, how do you feel about Shepard having **** To Deal With™ that can't just be resolved by shooting things?

It's not about the lot two years that puzzles Tiia. She hides her feelings well but when she's alone one could notice that something is on her mind. "Why me? Why is this all happening to me? Why not someone else? What if I fail?"

[JamieCOTC]

Just have to post this, really good interview w/ Jennifer Hale on Salary Talk and Madeleine Brand Show.

Comander Shepard orders coffee!

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 05 novembre 2011 - 12:48 .

[CrazyRah]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Just have to post this, really good interview w/ Jennifer Hale on Salary Talk and Madeleine Brand Show.

Comander Shepard orders coffee!

Cool! It's always fun to hear what she got to say

[Captain Crash]

 and its cool shes reaching a larger and wider audience :happy: 

Modifié par Captain Crash, 05 novembre 2011 - 12:57 .

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Thanks, Jamie, that was a great interview. It's always a pleasure to listen to her!