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[SaturnRing]

Yuqi wrote...

Does the Iconic Female Shepard for ME3, look renegade to you guys?

She could go either way (probably on purpose).

[KyreneZA]

The Woldan wrote...

Dream team.

To that, I can only quote Dieter and Boris...

...and if you know who I'm talking 'bout, I can only assume you also like takin' a day off like...

...serious 80's nostalgia brought to you by big, bad hair, leg-warmers and balloon pants...

[KyreneZA]

SaturnRing wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...

[Do you despise Liara as a character or just the way she is portrayed in the comic ?]

I found her a boring plot-neccessary ("Embrace Eternity"–read: get mind raped–at least once or forget about ever finishing the game, despite having both the cypher and both–Eden Prime and Virmire–beacon visions) character in ME, totally OOC in the Redemption (is that the name, I forget now) comic and again forced on my Shepards (Thane and Samara recruitment and the constant invasion of personal space) in ME2 due to her plot armour and special blue alien babe Mary Sue status. I could go on all day about the asari (and SB T'Soni in particular), but I think that small part of my signature speaks for me. And I know that a lot of femSheps romanced her, so I might be getting up people's noses. And it's also OT for this thread...

<- grumbles on about goddamn monogendered blue space cuckoos/parasites with human t*ts and *sses

I love Liara's character , but i see what you mean . everything surrounding her, from the beginning of ME 1 to the end of ME 2 ,points to Liara being a very complex and multi layered person . Born pure blood;never knew her "father";rebeled against her mom;the revelation that her mom allied herself with the most dangerous alien in council space; the subsequent guilt  ; the passing of that mom (possibly by her hand); all that reinforce the idea of a multi-facette Liara.Add to that the fact that she is obsessed with (and might be rejected by) the person directly responsible for her mom's death...and you have the foundation for one of the most complex character in ME.Let's not forget the enormous responsibility that comes with being the new shadow broker.none of this diminish in any way her genuine carring nature.But as a player i would be thrilled if more of that ambiguity was present in the game (i could walk to her not knowing if i was going to talk to the lover or the daughter full of resentment ). the events from the dark horse comic and those from TLOSBdlc tend to reinforce that idea of a multi-layered Liara .I expect that at some point in ME 3 she will somehow "vent" that frustration/resentment and reveal more of  her complex nature.
     As for the melding ,i agree with Ottemis.Genesis does a very good job describing what it is. 


  

See, we're on opposite sides of that fence. I agree that what you said coulda, shoulda, woulda, but I just find BioWare's treatment of her to have alienated the character for me rather than having firmly brought out those things you mention. In fact each and every playthrough I like her less, and that's a damn shame.

[SkaldFish]

AkodoRyu wrote...

@Red - unfortunately she's not ready yet I asked someone to rig her for me, because it will take ages before I learn how to do that. In the meantime I'm making textures on the model I made, she can emote a little bit, move her neck, eyes, eyebrows and eyelids to some degree. Of course I'm trying to fix her, but it's very difficult.

If my commission will be done like I'd want it to be, I'm looking forward to make maaany renders with her.



Yay specular maps *_*

OMG - she looks amazing!

[SaturnRing]

Kyrene wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...

[Do you despise Liara as a character or just the way she is portrayed in the comic ?]

I found her a boring plot-neccessary ("Embrace Eternity"–read: get mind raped–at least once or forget about ever finishing the game, despite having both the cypher and both–Eden Prime and Virmire–beacon visions) character in ME, totally OOC in the Redemption (is that the name, I forget now) comic and again forced on my Shepards (Thane and Samara recruitment and the constant invasion of personal space) in ME2 due to her plot armour and special blue alien babe Mary Sue status. I could go on all day about the asari (and SB T'Soni in particular), but I think that small part of my signature speaks for me. And I know that a lot of femSheps romanced her, so I might be getting up people's noses. And it's also OT for this thread...

<- grumbles on about goddamn monogendered blue space cuckoos/parasites with human t*ts and *sses

I love Liara's character , but i see what you mean . everything surrounding her, from the beginning of ME 1 to the end of ME 2 ,points to Liara being a very complex and multi layered person . Born pure blood;never knew her "father";rebeled against her mom;the revelation that her mom allied herself with the most dangerous alien in council space; the subsequent guilt  ; the passing of that mom (possibly by her hand); all that reinforce the idea of a multi-facette Liara.Add to that the fact that she is obsessed with (and might be rejected by) the person directly responsible for her mom's death...and you have the foundation for one of the most complex character in ME.Let's not forget the enormous responsibility that comes with being the new shadow broker.none of this diminish in any way her genuine carring nature.But as a player i would be thrilled if more of that ambiguity was present in the game (i could walk to her not knowing if i was going to talk to the lover or the daughter full of resentment ). the events from the dark horse comic and those from TLOSBdlc tend to reinforce that idea of a multi-layered Liara .I expect that at some point in ME 3 she will somehow "vent" that frustration/resentment and reveal more of  her complex nature.
     As for the melding ,i agree with Ottemis.Genesis does a very good job describing what it is. 


   

See, we're on opposite sides of that fence. I agree that what you said coulda, shoulda, woulda, but I just find BioWare's treatment of her to have alienated the character for me rather than having firmly brought out those things you mention. In fact each and every playthrough I like her less, and that's a damn shame.

It would be pointless and unfair to try to convince you... the narrative of the game does expose Liara's character to that kind of criticism(yours).It is pretty much up to the player to adopt her or not at that point .I chose to.Even though she is not a LI.
     I think that there is still a possibility of a build up that could result into  Liara and shepard  clashing; the coulda, shoulda, woulda hasn't just happened yet.It would add a little more difficulty into rallying the asari against the reapers.But in the end their love (LI or friend) is absolute even if Liara becomes Shepard's nemesis.

Modifié par SaturnRing, 14 novembre 2011 - 06:08 .

[Tup3x]

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

Id love my femshep to smack Kaidan for being rude to her in ME2 ;D

I'm definitely waiting for some interesting dialogue.

[MizzNaaa]

LadyAly wrote...

These are my 4 Lady's - I love them all

Reyna, Mel, Carry and Judy
*snip*

Pretty Sheps are pretty!


I have Jenn, she's my baby.


Jill, my Liaramancer



And finally, Rachel, my Thanemancer

Modifié par MizzNaaa, 14 novembre 2011 - 05:56 .

[ADLegend21]

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

Id love my femshep to smack Kaidan for being rude to her in ME2 ;D

she shouldn't unless she's prepared to get owned by his biotics afterward ;D

[diamondedge]

Dream on, all my Shepards are adepts!

[meonlyred]

ADLegend21 wrote...

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

Id love my femshep to smack Kaidan for being rude to her in ME2 ;D

she shouldn't unless she's prepared to get owned by his biotics afterward ;D

Yeah...I won't want to make Kaidan angry. Biotic kick. Broken neck. You know that thing. I think Shepard might be allergic to those. ;D

[ADLegend21]

So are my shepard's but they wouldn't smack him either....... him having his own brain is a good thing!

[meonlyred]

I don't think any of my Shepards would smack any of her crew... well besides Zaeed. But he kind of made a refinery catch on fire. So far no one else has made anything... you know... explode... unless Shepard asks them too of course. As for yelling at Shepard for joining Cerberus. I was also yelling at Shepard for joining Cerberus. Playing nice with someone who was shooting at you two years ago is kind of, oh what is the word, stupid? Not to mention if Shepard was a solo survive then that was just an epic face palm.

And smacking highly trained elite soldiers, merc, etc. might lead to Shepard getting smacked back. That is all I'm sayin'.

[Silver]

ADLegend21 wrote...

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

Id love my femshep to smack Kaidan for being rude to her in ME2 ;D

she shouldn't unless she's prepared to get owned by his biotics afterward ;D

That would be a sight, an L2 Biotic against an L4/L5 Biotic... you really think that Alenko would not end up as paste on a bulkhead ?

[meonlyred]

Not that I think Kaidan would actually fight Shepard, but it would be a sight to behold. I would paid damn good money to see who would win in that fight. Kaidan does say in ME1 that Biotic Shepard does spike higher than he does. However, Kaidan has control. It would be something like Miranda vs Jack.

Implants, by what I understand, do not determined how powerful of a biotic you are. You either have the power or you don't. The weakest biotic in the world can have a L5 implant and still be weaker than a L2. The only problem with L2 implants is it is like a double edge sword. They are very powerful implants but can hurt or kill you to use them. Hints Kaidan's headaches. L3 implants which Shepard had in ME1 are safer, but are weaker than the L2s. However, even with a L3 implant Shepard spikes higher than Kaidan. What exactly L4/L5 do for Shepard is unexplained.

[Silver]

well, the L5x Implants for Jack actually increased her biotic power, at least that's what I understood.

Even if the implants do not amplify a biotic's power, they would probably provide better control and focus the power better, so even a biotic of an inferior "level" could deal tremendous damage.

Well, maybe I should not have said anything, my stance towards Kaidan is well known already ^^

Modifié par silverhammer08, 14 novembre 2011 - 11:24 .

[SaturnRing]

meonlyred wrote...

Not that I think Kaidan would actually fight Shepard, but it would be a sight to behold. I would paid damn good money to see who would win in that fight. Kaidan does say in ME1 that Biotic Shepard does spike higher than he does. However, Kaidan has control. It would be something like Miranda vs Jack.

Implants, by what I understand, do not determined how powerful of a biotic you are. You either have the power or you don't. The weakest biotic in the world can have a L5 implant and still be weaker than a L2. The only problem with L2 implants is it is like a double edge sword. They are very powerful implants but can hurt or kill you to use them. Hints Kaidan's headaches. L3 implants which Shepard had in ME1 are safer, but are weaker than the L2s. However, even with a L3 implant Shepard spikes higher than Kaidan. What exactly L4/L5 do for Shepard is unexplained.

that is why i rarely play as a biotic; not enough on what it is like to be one of them; too many times even shepard mention them as if they stand apart from the rest of society; it is then difficult to view her as part of  them. 

Modifié par SaturnRing, 14 novembre 2011 - 11:31 .

[Lianna sFfalenn]

So I finally got into my ME2 canon run, and went flipping back through my old screenshots...

Original Aki in ME2 (Feb 2010):


Canon Aki in ME2 (Nov 2011 after a year of tweaks, fiddles and learning how to use mods):


Pretty pleased with how all the tweaks have come together! I've justifed the shorter hair with the old woken-up-early device, I'm hoping there'll be a nice mid-length ponytail or suchlike which I can use as the ME3 'do.
Also looking forward to getting Aki and Kaidan back together - I just did Horizon today and...yeah. Still ouch.

Modifié par Lianna sFfalenn, 15 novembre 2011 - 01:01 .

[Lianna sFfalenn]

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

Yeah, very ouch. Hes very harsh on Horizon.

I tend come down on the side that his anger is justified, I have to say.

"It's been a long time, Kaidan. How've you been?" - I mean, really?! Aki's mental commentary right after she comes out with that goes something like Oh no, did I really just...please let me go back five seconds and say something else...anything else...and now he's shouting...oh no ohnoohno...

[LadyAly]

Yeah thats the Moment my sweet Reyna - who really deeply loves him - has the urgent need to puke and kickl his ass hard.
Yesterday Judy thought .. ** W. T. F.......Is this a react of jealousy, cause I have chose Liara ? Typical Man - not able to see the bigger view...*

[Ottemis]

silverhammer08 wrote...

well, the L5x Implants for Jack actually increased her biotic power, at least that's what I understood.

Even if the implants do not amplify a biotic's power, they would probably provide better control and focus the power better, so even a biotic of an inferior "level" could deal tremendous damage.

Well, maybe I should not have said anything, my stance towards Kaidan is well known already ^^

I reckon the higher implants just work like better conduits for the energy.
Much like an extention of the brain, less 'misfires'.
Would mean you can reach a more potent peek level, still not above your personal limit.

[Yuqi]

Who dares Bioware to change the Them of the ME3 site, to femshep for a week? Marketing would go bannan's though..