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[CrazyRah]

meonlyred wrote...

Discussion topic: In ME1 or ME2. What mission/side mission weight the most on Shepard's heart? Which one effected her the most?
 

I remember me. Sarah couldn't let a random person deal with this and in Talitha, Sarah saw what could've been her if not certain events happened. Sarah always try to leave what happened on Mindoir behind her and once again it pulled her back in. Sarah has accepted that she and Mindoir is one and that she will always be a part of it and it a part of her. It was this side mission that made Kaidan and the crew see past the ''ice biatch queen'' mask Sarah always walk around with and seeing a part of her past maybe was what made her and Kaidan grow closer

Modifié par CrazyRah, 22 novembre 2011 - 05:39 .

[SaturnRing]

Arrival shook Katherine to the core. It made her questioned  her motivations and even her desire to go on as a spectre. She finds herself revisiting Saren's actions wondering if aside from the fear of total annihilation the reapers have in fact brought out the worst in her. She takes a quick glance at Presly,Jenkins and Alenko pictures knowing that things are only gonna get harder.

Modifié par SaturnRing, 22 novembre 2011 - 09:45 .

[Tup3x]

I have to pick the Arrival too. The fact that she was going to end many lives at that day in exchange to save many didn't help. How can one decide who had right to live and who doesn't? She did try to send a warning, even though it was obvious that it was too late for that (and most likely wouldn't work either).

[SaturnRing]

Tup3xi wrote...

I have to pick the Arrival too. The fact that she was going to end many lives at that day in exchange to save many didn't help. How can one decide who had right to live and who doesn't? She did try to send a warning, even though it was obvious that it was too late for that (and most likely wouldn't work either).

Sorry! Ignore this!(my question/comment is below)

Modifié par SaturnRing, 22 novembre 2011 - 10:20 .

[SaturnRing]

Tup3xi wrote...

I have to pick the Arrival too. The fact that she was going to end many lives at that day in exchange to save many didn't help. How can one decide who had right to live and who doesn't? She did try to send a warning, even though it was obvious that it was too late for that (and most likely wouldn't work either).

Is it considered a spoiler to talk about Arrival? If not my question is this: if the possibility to choose was given to us which way would you go? Does the reaper menace justify such an extreme action?

Modifié par SaturnRing, 22 novembre 2011 - 10:28 .

[CrazyRah]

Arrival is no spoiler, i mean it was released back in March and people got plenty of time to play it.

Yes the Reaper menance justify such actions but still killing 300 000 is something that's not done lightly and if you do such actions you need to be ready that it will look so bad and the political s*itstorm will be huge. If Shepard hadn't destroyed that Relay the Reapers would've been in the galaxy a few months earlier. Shepard bought the galaxy time with Batarian blood.


She don't regret a thing

Modifié par CrazyRah, 22 novembre 2011 - 10:49 .

[Tup3x]

On this case I guess it does. After all they all would have been wiped out by the reapers. Also it would be probably nicer to end your life that way than what it would be to be mutilated by twisted machines.

[Skypezee]

For Amalia the quests I Remember Me, Project Overlord, and Arrival affected her a lot. The "I remember me" because she was a colonist too and had lost all the people she cared for that day. When she finally met someone else who had survived but was made into a slave, it opened some wounds and caused her a bit of survivor's guilt since she was rescued. But she wanted to be there for Talitha.

Project Overlord was another reminder for why she despises Cerberus despite the situation they're in right now. It wasn't about the many times in which Cerberus skirts around ethics and morals along with even causing a near disaster themselves what with the crazy things they study or experiment on. The fact that they see another being, another human, as a test subject and forcing them against their will in order to understand something (that should probably be left unknown) just makes Amalia sick.... and she had no regrets in pistol whipping Dr. Archer. And if I had it my way I would have kneecapped him.

In Arrival.... well, like most have already stated it was the fact that despite saving billions of people she had to do it by killing 300,000. She may not see Batarians eye to eye but she realizes, just as Kaidan points out, there are saints and jerks amongst everyone. And there were thousands of innocents lost that day, all because of her. Regardless of the circumstances. It had to be done since she was literally racing against time and there was nothing else that could be done. But it's still nothing she is proud of and she is will to return to earth to face the music.

[Lianna sFfalenn]

meonlyred wrote...

Discussion topic: In ME1 or ME2. What mission/side mission weight the most on Shepard's heart? Which one effected her the most?

Aki still carries around guilt about Virmire. She and Ashley were good friends. All other factors being equal, she knows she'd have still have chosen Kaidan anyway (officer, L2 biotic, the nuke absolutely had to go off or it was all for nothing) but she's aware that her personal feelings came into play when making the call and that gnaws at her. I always pick the "I couldn't leave you." option in the debriefing afterwards, as my head-canon interprets that as Aki pleading for Kaidan's understanding - Hale does an amazing job of packing emotion into that line.

And there's light relief for the player in the inevitable "oops" moment right afterwards when you realise that yes, the rest of the crew are actually in the room...

[SaturnRing]

I have to agree with the 3 of you. But is it fair to point out that for Saren or TIM it probably started in the same manner; but along the way something went wrong (or maybe they were psycho from the beginning); in the public eyes how can we differentiate Shepard from them?

Modifié par SaturnRing, 23 novembre 2011 - 12:24 .

[Ottemis]

Alot of people make tough decisions for what seem to be the right reasons to them.
Saren, TIM, Shepard, all the same to that extend. You're guided by your own moral compass and a will to handle things for the best, whatever you might judge that to be.

It's hard to keep track of what you're fighting for when victories are in grey-scales and lesser evils.
It takes a strong personality to not get corrupted by the world you're living in.

As to the question, no specific missions, except for saying ALL of them where there's no right. Just different wrongs.
For Shepard to live with the fact that alot of the times, despite her fighting her hardest, there's no happy ending to be had, large or small-scale.

Modifié par Ottemis, 23 novembre 2011 - 12:41 .

[ADLegend21]

The mission that affects Kallen the most is Horizon, but only when Ashley or Kaidan shows up. I have her as jet lagged by two years so, while she's still fully functional in combat, she longs for her old life and he VS is the final nail in her Alliance career. After that she fully embraces her current crew (most of them anyway) and is dead set on getting revenge against the Collectors and Reapers for killing her.

[FireEye]

Without extensive overanalysis: "I Remember Me."



Other than that, Dead Scientists hit her hard.  Virmire hit her hard.  Bring Down the Sky hit her hard, although not for reasons that would be immediately apparent.  Ilos, particularly Vigil, hit her hard.

... a lot of hard-hitting, overall...

....



Kaidan hit her hard.  :innocent:

[Sable Phoenix]

meonlyred wrote...

Discussion topic: In ME1 or ME2. What mission/side mission weight the most on Shepard's heart? Which one effected her the most?
 

That one's easy.  For Jessica it was the moment she forced herself to watch the nuclear fireball that wiped Gunnery Chief Ashley Williams out of the galaxy as if she'd never existed.



She stonefaced her way through the debriefing with the rest of the crew on sheer willpower, despite snapping at Kaidan, but as soon as it was over she stumbled to her cabin for solitude.



There, for the first time since she left Earth, Jessica wept, mourning the loss of the sister she never had.



Virmire is that one mission every soldier has, that one mission that still, literally, haunts her dreams.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 23 novembre 2011 - 01:45 .

[SaturnRing]

Ottemis wrote...

Alot of people make tough decisions for what seem to be the right reasons to them.
Saren, TIM, Shepard, all the same to that extend. You're guided by your own moral compass and a will to handle things for the best, whatever you might judge that to be.

It's hard to keep track of what you're fighting for when victories are in grey-scales and lesser evils.
It takes a strong personality to not get corrupted by the world you're living in.

As to the question, no specific missions, except for saying ALL of them where there's no right. Just different wrongs.
For Shepard to live with the fact that alot of the times, despite her fighting her hardest, there's no happy ending to be had, large or small-scale.

I hear you. Arrival did strike a cord.To me it's the most difficult thing Shepard had to do so far.

[Sable Phoenix]

SaturnRing wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

Alot of people make tough decisions for what seem to be the right reasons to them.
Saren, TIM, Shepard, all the same to that extend. You're guided by your own moral compass and a will to handle things for the best, whatever you might judge that to be.

It's hard to keep track of what you're fighting for when victories are in grey-scales and lesser evils.
It takes a strong personality to not get corrupted by the world you're living in.

As to the question, no specific missions, except for saying ALL of them where there's no right. Just different wrongs.
For Shepard to live with the fact that alot of the times, despite her fighting her hardest, there's no happy ending to be had, large or small-scale.

I hear you. Arrival did strike a cord.To me it's the most difficult thing Shepard had to do so far.

See, I never thought so.  It's pretty obvious that there is no option but to do exactly what the game railroads you into doing, and that's my main reason I'm okay with the "lack" of choice in that DLC.

Jessica didn't think twice about anything she did in Arrival.  It's pretty cut and dried; if the Reapers arrive in twenty minutes, that's it, show's over.  It's "Game over, man! Game over!" as Private Hudson would say.  Compared to that, an entire system and the lives of everyone in it is no cost at all.  Besides, she didn't see or know anyone who died.  She can't internalize it and doesn't want to.  That one life on Virmire wasn't even close to the only one lost on that mission, but it's the one that keeps Jessica up at night.  To her it was more important than anyone who vanished when the Alpha Relay exploded.

Callous?  Probably, but after that, how else are you going to live with yourself?

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 23 novembre 2011 - 04:27 .

[Silver]

Even though the DLC railroaded us all to the destruction of an entire star-system, it is nonetheless an awful burden, having to live with the fact that you just wiped out over 300000 lives with a gravimetric explosion.

I know that it will strike a few people as "odd" of feeling that strongly for a race of beings that are clearly antagonistic against almost every other race out there, at least on a political level, but every life lost in war is one life too much, regardless of the species.

Also, it is the direct opposite to what Talia experienced on Elysium, where Humans were dragged away as slaves by the batarians, and where she developed an almost irrational hatred for them.
Through that she can very much relate to what her sister Raine must have felt and what drove her to slaughtering the batarians on Torfan (yes, Ottemis' character and mine are sisters ).

[CrazyRah]

For Sarah Arrival is of course rough but that 300 000 died really don't bother her much at all. It was either them or having the Reapers in the galaxy early. She tried to warn the Batarians even though she knew it was useless. That the 300 000 that died were Batarians makes it hell a lot easier for her to live with it. She got a hatred for them that will never go away.

For her the death of Ashley Williams is so much worse. Ash was one very close friend but that one life weighs heavier on Sarah then the 300 000. She never knew them and all she see is numbers, not faces or lives. She know that people will look weirdly at her if she say this to them but how else can someone live with 300 000 dead people on their shoulders.

[SaturnRing]

CrazyRah wrote...

For Sarah Arrival is of course rough but that 300 000 died really don't bother her much at all. It was either them or having the Reapers in the galaxy early. She tried to warn the Batarians even though she knew it was useless. That the 300 000 that died were Batarians makes it hell a lot easier for her to live with it. She got a hatred for them that will never go away.

For her the death of Ashley Williams is so much worse. Ash was one very close friend but that one life weighs heavier on Sarah then the 300 000. She never knew them and all she see is numbers, not faces or lives. She know that people will look weirdly at her if she say this to them but how else can someone live with 300 000 dead people on their shoulders.

The fact that 300 000 lives were lost make the race factor almost irrelevant. They very well could have been humans.But like Sarah, Katherine has to be able to detach herself ( to a certain degree) from what the job demands. Part of being a soldier is being able to put all those traumatic events on a backburner and deal with it later. The loss of a teammate hurts very much initially but is dealt with immediately. Other events take longer. Thinking about Akuze or Virmire still hurts like hell. 

Modifié par SaturnRing, 23 novembre 2011 - 10:38 .

[SaturnRing]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

Alot of people make tough decisions for what seem to be the right reasons to them.
Saren, TIM, Shepard, all the same to that extend. You're guided by your own moral compass and a will to handle things for the best, whatever you might judge that to be.

It's hard to keep track of what you're fighting for when victories are in grey-scales and lesser evils.
It takes a strong personality to not get corrupted by the world you're living in.

As to the question, no specific missions, except for saying ALL of them where there's no right. Just different wrongs.
For Shepard to live with the fact that alot of the times, despite her fighting her hardest, there's no happy ending to be had, large or small-scale.

I hear you. Arrival did strike a cord.To me it's the most difficult thing Shepard had to do so far.

See, I never thought so.  It's pretty obvious that there is no option but to do exactly what the game railroads you into doing, and that's my main reason I'm okay with the "lack" of choice in that DLC.

Jessica didn't think twice about anything she did in Arrival.  It's pretty cut and dried; if the Reapers arrive in twenty minutes, that's it, show's over.  It's "Game over, man! Game over!" as Private Hudson would say.  Compared to that, an entire system and the lives of everyone in it is no cost at all.  Besides, she didn't see or know anyone who died.  She can't internalize it and doesn't want to.  That one life on Virmire wasn't even close to the only one lost on that mission, but it's the one that keeps Jessica up at night.  To her it was more important than anyone who vanished when the Alpha Relay exploded.

Callous?  Probably, but after that, how else are you going to live with yourself?

It's gonna sound strange but part of the difficulty is not being able to choose, like someone up in the brass is calling the shots, clueless about the situation on the ground. You the one left to "push" the button and live with the consequences. 

[ADLegend21]

I introduce to you, Deidra Angela (D.A.) Shepard!

She's my Earthborn Souls survivor (default) Adept Shepard, so now my itch of an Adept Femshep is being scratched. She's my even Keel FOREVER ALONE Shepard (though somehow she'll end up with Jacob after failing big time with Garrus, Thane, Tali, and Samara) Here's pics:





Focused on the mission!

until her favorite show comes on....>.>

[100k]

NICE, Legend! That's a great face!

[Cyansomnia]

I really like her, ADLegend, she's awesome.



And my other Infiltrator, who has apparently become my mod guinea pig. XD

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 24 novembre 2011 - 03:23 .

[Sinapus]

Aislinn Trista wrote...
And my other Infiltrator, who has apparently become my mod guinea pig. XD

Ah, so you're letting your inner mad scientist out?

[SaturnRing]

About Deidra Angela
When you think you've seen it all, ME cc still manages to amaze me. She is beautiful!